Pool extinct in Northwest?

Slasher

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It's hard to go down this road without coming across as negative or sound like someone that sits back and complains but expects other people to step up. Just to clarify, I neither have the know how or the resources to address these issues set out below, I just want to discuss the situation, maybe gain some understanding and hopefully some optimism.

So to the point, over the last few years I have watched the pool scene in the Northwest area pretty much die a slow agonizing death. Now I am not saying we were ever the hot bed of North America but we had a steady staple of events with modest added money within driving distance from Vancouver, with entries for weekend events often topping 100 plus participants.

These days there are very few events and even fewer worthwhile attending either because of distance or the prize money is simply not able to justify the expense of travel and hotel.

The local grassroots interest in pool has equally dropped off to the point where the number of rooms has diminished considerably. Even those that are left are often empty. Not too long ago in many rooms there were often waiting lists for tables. Anyone who has been in this industry knows how vital these players are to a rooms survival, probably even more so than the serious players.

Admittedly we have always suffered from many poorly run and or ill equipped pool rooms in this area however I am not certain this is in anyway responsible for the downturn. At on point in the 90s we probably had far to many rooms to remain sustainable. Many rooms have closed and only a few remain but they also are now struggling to pay the rent and I forsee losing a few more in the near future.

Having been involved for the last 30 odd years I have seen some ebb and flow in this industry but this is probably one of the worst lows. This is a country that has produced one world snooker champion and many top 16 snooker players through the 70s and 80s but that game is in even worse shape, virtually no one even plays snooker aside from a few Chinese recreational players (We have quite a large Chinese population here in case you were not aware and snooker has made some inroads in China over the last few years).

I don't know where the turn around can come from, maybe it never will. I would be very saddened to see the last few rooms close and the game go completely extinct, where has it gone wrong or has it simply lost it's appeal, opinions ?

Thanks for taking the time to read this long post.
 
Slasher said:
It's hard to go down this road without coming across as negative or sound like someone that sits back and complains but expects other people to step up. Just to clarify, I neither have the know how or the resources to address these issues set out below, I just want to discuss the situation, maybe gain some understanding and hopefully some optimism.

So to the point, over the last few years I have watched the pool scene in the Northwest area pretty much die a slow agonizing death. Now I am not saying we were ever the hot bed of North America but we had a steady staple of events with modest added money within driving distance from Vancouver, with entries for weekend events often topping 100 plus participants.

These days there are very few events and even fewer worthwhile attending either because of distance or the prize money is simply not able to justify the expense of travel and hotel.

The local grassroots interest in pool has equally dropped off to the point where the number of rooms has diminished considerably. Even those that are left are often empty. Not too long ago in many rooms there were often waiting lists for tables. Anyone who has been in this industry knows how vital these players are to a rooms survival, probably even more so than the serious players.

Admittedly we have always suffered from many poorly run and or ill equipped pool rooms in this area however I am not certain this is in anyway responsible for the downturn. At on point in the 90s we probably had far to many rooms to remain sustainable. Many rooms have closed and only a few remain but they also are now struggling to pay the rent and I forsee losing a few more in the near future.

Having been involved for the last 30 odd years I have seen some ebb and flow in this industry but this is probably one of the worst lows. This is a country that has produced one world snooker champion and many top 16 snooker players through the 70s and 80s but that game is in even worse shape, virtually no one even plays snooker aside from a few Chinese recreational players (We have quite a large Chinese population here in case you were not aware and snooker has made some inroads in China over the last few years).

I don't know where the turn around can come from, maybe it never will. I would be very saddened to see the last few rooms close and the game go completely extinct, where has it gone wrong or has it simply lost it's appeal, opinions ?

Thanks for taking the time to read this long post.


I think you need to cross the border....I happen to think the scene is still alive and well in our neck o' the woods. There are weekly tournaments in the Bellingham, as well as slightly further south, in Sedro Woolley. There is a weekly tournament in Oak Harbor on Whidbey Island, as well as a new poolhall down in Freeland on the island. Further still is a weekly shoot in Marysville...and further south still are shoots in Everett and points south....as well as the new poolroom in Kenmore called the Golden Fleece owned by Russian Dave.

I would say there is no lack of the pool scene from the Tacoma/Lakewood area north up the I-5 corridor to the border....you just need to know where to look. :thumbup:

Lisa
 
Slasher said:
It's hard to go down this road without coming across as negative or sound like someone that sits back and complains but expects other people to step up. Just to clarify, I neither have the know how or the resources to address these issues set out below, I just want to discuss the situation, maybe gain some understanding and hopefully some optimism.

So to the point, over the last few years I have watched the pool scene in the Northwest area pretty much die a slow agonizing death. Now I am not saying we were ever the hot bed of North America but we had a steady staple of events with modest added money within driving distance from Vancouver, with entries for weekend events often topping 100 plus participants.

These days there are very few events and even fewer worthwhile attending either because of distance or the prize money is simply not able to justify the expense of travel and hotel.

The local grassroots interest in pool has equally dropped off to the point where the number of rooms has diminished considerably. Even those that are left are often empty. Not too long ago in many rooms there were often waiting lists for tables. Anyone who has been in this industry knows how vital these players are to a rooms survival, probably even more so than the serious players.

Admittedly we have always suffered from many poorly run and or ill equipped pool rooms in this area however I am not certain this is in anyway responsible for the downturn. At on point in the 90s we probably had far to many rooms to remain sustainable. Many rooms have closed and only a few remain but they also are now struggling to pay the rent and I forsee losing a few more in the near future.

Having been involved for the last 30 odd years I have seen some ebb and flow in this industry but this is probably one of the worst lows. This is a country that has produced one world snooker champion and many top 16 snooker players through the 70s and 80s but that game is in even worse shape, virtually no one even plays snooker aside from a few Chinese recreational players (We have quite a large Chinese population here in case you were not aware and snooker has made some inroads in China over the last few years).

I don't know where the turn around can come from, maybe it never will. I would be very saddened to see the last few rooms close and the game go completely extinct, where has it gone wrong or has it simply lost it's appeal, opinions ?

Thanks for taking the time to read this long post.
At one point in time, Vancouver had nothing but bars with 7ft coin-op's in them. Mr. T's was one of the largest bars with tables in your area. Across the river into Portland was mostly all bars with 7ft tables as well. So, the "Pool Hall's" never really had a presence in your area. Pool in Oregon really started when you left Portland and traveled south to at least Salem. Ringo's use to be the place to play in the Portland area, all 7ft's. With the exception of the 211 Club in Seattle, Washington state has never really been known as a "Pool" playing area. And with the cost of rent as high as it is in Washington, strictly "Pool" has never been able to make it up there. Oregon has the state lottery, and so does Washington, that takes away from pool as well. If you take a look at the population of Seattle and Portland, add them together, and it don't amount to the population of many of the larger city's in this country. Another reason, is Washington has always been a "bar table" state for the most part, and that's the single biggest reason most pool rooms can't get off the ground, and if they do, don't stay long. It's hard to compete against .50cents a game pool:D Many places in Eastern Washington still charge .25cents a game:eek:

Glen
 
this sums up MT

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realkingcobra said:
Billings use to be the place to play pool in Montana, but you're right, Great Falls is just about it now, that's why I'm taking 4 more Diamond 7ft Smart Tables up there shortly, more tables for the 8 Ball:D

Glen


whoa whoa whoa, 8 ball inn is swithcing to Diamonds

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YYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
 
ridewiththewind said:
I think you need to cross the border....I happen to think the scene is still alive and well in our neck o' the woods. There are weekly tournaments in the Bellingham, as well as slightly further south, in Sedro Woolley. There is a weekly tournament in Oak Harbor on Whidbey Island, as well as a new poolhall down in Freeland on the island. Further still is a weekly shoot in Marysville...and further south still are shoots in Everett and points south....as well as the new poolroom in Kenmore called the Golden Fleece owned by Russian Dave.

I would say there is no lack of the pool scene from the Tacoma/Lakewood area north up the I-5 corridor to the border....you just need to know where to look. :thumbup:

Lisa

I agree with Lisa, however, if you go to Sedro Woolley you had better like Banjo Music, and whatever you do don't go on any Canoing trips!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:shocked2:
 
realkingcobra said:
At one point in time, Vancouver had nothing but bars with 7ft coin-op's in them. Mr. T's was one of the largest bars with tables in your area. Across the river into Portland was mostly all bars with 7ft tables as well. So, the "Pool Hall's" never really had a presence in your area. Pool in Oregon really started when you left Portland and traveled south to at least Salem. Ringo's use to be the place to play in the Portland area, all 7ft's. With the exception of the 211 Club in Seattle, Washington state has never really been known as a "Pool" playing area. And with the cost of rent as high as it is in Washington, strictly "Pool" has never been able to make it up there. Oregon has the state lottery, and so does Washington, that takes away from pool as well. If you take a look at the population of Seattle and Portland, add them together, and it don't amount to the population of many of the larger city's in this country. Another reason, is Washington has always been a "bar table" state for the most part, and that's the single biggest reason most pool rooms can't get off the ground, and if they do, don't stay long. It's hard to compete against .50cents a game pool:D Many places in Eastern Washington still charge .25cents a game:eek:

Glen
I guess I should clarify, "Vancouver BC Canada"
 
Slasher said:
I guess I should clarify, "Vancouver BC Canada"
Well that explains it...LOL 2 pool tables or more...and the location can't sell alcohol, which means...pool rooms can't generate the needed income to support their business to stay open! Canadians...I swear:p :D

Glen
 
realkingcobra said:
At one point in time, Vancouver had nothing but bars with 7ft coin-op's in them. Mr. T's was one of the largest bars with tables in your area. Across the river into Portland was mostly all bars with 7ft tables as well. So, the "Pool Hall's" never really had a presence in your area. Pool in Oregon really started when you left Portland and traveled south to at least Salem. Ringo's use to be the place to play in the Portland area, all 7ft's. With the exception of the 211 Club in Seattle, Washington state has never really been known as a "Pool" playing area. And with the cost of rent as high as it is in Washington, strictly "Pool" has never been able to make it up there. Oregon has the state lottery, and so does Washington, that takes away from pool as well. If you take a look at the population of Seattle and Portland, add them together, and it don't amount to the population of many of the larger city's in this country. Another reason, is Washington has always been a "bar table" state for the most part, and that's the single biggest reason most pool rooms can't get off the ground, and if they do, don't stay long. It's hard to compete against .50cents a game pool:D Many places in Eastern Washington still charge .25cents a game:eek:

Glen

Glen, Some good points, but the gentleman who started this thread lives in Vancouver, BC, not Vancouver, Wash. He has several rivers and several hundred miles before he crosses into Portland OR.

Dick
 
manwon said:
I agree with Lisa, however, if you go to Sedro Woolley you had better like Banjo Music, and whatever you do don't go on any Canoing trips!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:shocked2:
What are you talking about, I go fishing and camping up there all the time....BY MYSELF!:grin:

Glen
 
odd...when I pick up the billiards mag at my home room down here it seems like EVERYTHING is in the PNW?
 
D-Sub said:
odd...when I pick up the billiards mag at my home room down here it seems like EVERYTHING is in the PNW?
It's a conspiracy, that's what they want you to think:rolleyes: :grin:

Glen
 
realkingcobra said:
What are you talking about, I go fishing and camping up there all the time....BY MYSELF!:grin:

Glen

Glen your a better man than me, as soon as I heard the Banjo's I would be gone!!!!!!!!!:eek: :grin: Hell, I have heard that many have come back from there changed forever!!!!!!!!:indecisive:

Take care Glen and watch out for them there Banjo players!!!!!:)
 
manwon said:
Glen your a better man than me, as soon as I heard the Banjo's I would be gone!!!!!!!!!:eek: :grin: Hell, I have heard that many have come back from there changed forever!!!!!!!!:indecisive:

Take care Glen and watch out for them there Banjo players!!!!!:)
I knew a guy once, went up to Alaska a 90lb weakling, came back 3 months later...a 110lb husker f%#ker:p :D

Glen
 
krbsailing said:
You might want to contact Ford and checkout this upcoming tournament in Seattle >>> http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=105800

We host a monthly 9-Ball tourney >>> http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=102961

and a monthly Scotch Doubles tourney >>> http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=103042

Come down and see us sometime ;)

thanks for the info, I know Ford runs a few good events, unfortunately the A player ban in the weekly is an issue.
 
It's pretty well the same story through much of the Prairies as well. There is some action in parts of Alberta, but not as much as I remember 10 years ago when I lived there.

Saskatchewan, (Regina specifically) is just horrible right now. This province has produced 3 Canadian Snooker Champions, 1 8-ball Canadian Champ and through the late 70's and 80's a few guys who tried their luck in England. Now in Regina we are lucky if there are 7 guys total playing snooker, even remotely seriously.

The 9-ball action tried to take off a few years ago, but now that's pretty much died off too. The casino tournament in P.A. is gone, and most the local tournaments are no A players allowed and added money is just a rumor. When I was a kid first on the scene there was about 10 pool halls. Now there is 3, and the one, no serious player would set foot in.

It's frustrating, and I hope it comes back, but I'm not confident of it.

Cashman
 
Slasher, do I know you? I don't hear about John Horsfall, Mike Vidas, Alan Ima, Simon Pickering, Nick Krueger and Frenchie playing much anymore, and John Bear died last year. I think those players spurred on some of the major B.C. tourneys.

When Dufferin pulled out of sponsoring tournaments, that hit the area hard too. And they used to give away those cool embroidered jackets to the winners! ;)

But Shotze's in Everett, Golden Fleece in Kenmore and Uncle Jacks in Lynnwood hold good tournaments. Make sure you go to www.onthebreaknews.com to stay updated on the latest news.
 
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