Pool Hall Rates: One for the Price of Two?

epicures

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Looking for other people's opinions & experience with this.

I moved to NYC a few months ago and quickly sought out Amsterdam Billiards, having read about what a great pool hall it is. I love shooting there, as the equipment is immaculate and talented players and top pros abound. I've taken to calling ahead because it's not uncommon to encounter an hour or so wait even on a weeknight, and sometimes they kick you off your table if they need it for a league or corporate party. I call ahead because I won't bother making the trip there if I'm going to wait an hour just to play for 45 minutes before being kicked off. These are nuisances, but I am glad to see a pool hall doing such strong business and with such thriving leagues.

Here's my gripe. Today I call ahead and they tell me there will be a wait, but they'll put me on their list. But because I'm only 1 and there is likely to be a long wait list, they're going to charge me the rate for 2 people. So if I go practice by myself for 2 hours, I get charged $30 instead of the $15 it should be (roughly; I don't remember the rates exactly).

I understand the reasoning here: they have plenty of parties of 2, 3, or 4 on their list that they could be making more money off of than me solo, so why should they take a relative loss on me? Plus, no doubt multi-person parties are more likely to give the bar business than someone coming alone to practice. Even if they tick me off enough to lose my business permanently, it's no loss at all to them since they're hardly lacking for customers. But this still seems like a slimy business practice to me. It's almost like a restaurant charging a patron who comes alone for two dinners instead of one, just because there's a bunch of couples waiting in line behind him that they could be making more money off of.

I'm sure I'll go back to Amsterdam because it's such a pleasure to play there and I've found the customer service to be generally very friendly & good with the exception of this policy. But I certainly can't afford to pay double rates, and I'm bummed right now because I was excited to shoot tonight and there's not really another convenient pool hall near me.

So what do you all think? Is this simply a sensible business strategy, or yet another sad example of pool halls neglecting "players" in favor of the general crowds? Is this type of policy more common than I realize? More importanly, would anyone in the area like to make plans to shoot some friendly games together some evening so I don't have to worry about this party-of-one problem?

Andrew
 
epicures said:
Looking for other people's opinions & experience with this.

I moved to NYC a few months ago and quickly sought out Amsterdam Billiards, having read about what a great pool hall it is. I love shooting there, as the equipment is immaculate and talented players and top pros abound. I've taken to calling ahead because it's not uncommon to encounter an hour or so wait even on a weeknight, and sometimes they kick you off your table if they need it for a league or corporate party. I call ahead because I won't bother making the trip there if I'm going to wait an hour just to play for 45 minutes before being kicked off. These are nuisances, but I am glad to see a pool hall doing such strong business and with such thriving leagues.

Here's my gripe. Today I call ahead and they tell me there will be a wait, but they'll put me on their list. But because I'm only 1 and there is likely to be a long wait list, they're going to charge me the rate for 2 people. So if I go practice by myself for 2 hours, I get charged $30 instead of the $15 it should be (roughly; I don't remember the rates exactly).

I understand the reasoning here: they have plenty of parties of 2, 3, or 4 on their list that they could be making more money off of than me solo, so why should they take a relative loss on me? Plus, no doubt multi-person parties are more likely to give the bar business than someone coming alone to practice. Even if they tick me off enough to lose my business permanently, it's no loss at all to them since they're hardly lacking for customers. But this still seems like a slimy business practice to me. It's almost like a restaurant charging a patron who comes alone for two dinners instead of one, just because there's a bunch of couples waiting in line behind him that they could be making more money off of.

I'm sure I'll go back to Amsterdam because it's such a pleasure to play there and I've found the customer service to be generally very friendly & good with the exception of this policy. But I certainly can't afford to pay double rates, and I'm bummed right now because I was excited to shoot tonight and there's not really another convenient pool hall near me.

So what do you all think? Is this simply a sensible business strategy, or yet another sad example of pool halls neglecting "players" in favor of the general crowds? Is this type of policy more common than I realize? More importanly, would anyone in the area like to make plans to shoot some friendly games together some evening so I don't have to worry about this party-of-one problem?

Andrew

Businesses are there to make money and it is unfortunate that this particular pool hall doesn't appreciate "players" and charge $30 per hour.

At Buffalo Billiards in Metairie, LA (started by a guy from Buffalo New York) they charge $3.25 per hour for prime time and a little less for off prime time. And the owner likes players and only charges for one if that is all that is playing. In fact, if 3 or 4 play, they get charged for TWO. I have to appreciate what I've got!

If I played at Amsterdam, my pool bill would be $600-$800 a week. :eek:

Now, who in the hell can afford that?

JoeyA
 
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epicures said:
Looking for other people's opinions & experience with this.
Here's my gripe. Today I call ahead and they tell me there will be a wait, but they'll put me on their list. But because I'm only 1 and there is likely to be a long wait list, they're going to charge me the rate for 2 people. So if I go practice by myself for 2 hours, I get charged $30 instead of the $15 it should be (roughly; I don't remember the rates exactly).

Andrew


My pool hall used to charge a higher hourly rate for one player than two or more. They can say a discount for two or more or however they sugar coat it but the results are the same. The truth is that it is a reasonable thing to do at busy times, or perhaps do like some if not all bowling alleys and reserve the right to pair you up with somebody if they run out of tables.

Hu
 
epicures said:
Looking for other people's opinions & experience with this.

I moved to NYC a few months ago and quickly sought out Amsterdam Billiards, having read about what a great pool hall it is. I love shooting there, as the equipment is immaculate and talented players and top pros abound. I've taken to calling ahead because it's not uncommon to encounter an hour or so wait even on a weeknight, and sometimes they kick you off your table if they need it for a league or corporate party. I call ahead because I won't bother making the trip there if I'm going to wait an hour just to play for 45 minutes before being kicked off. These are nuisances, but I am glad to see a pool hall doing such strong business and with such thriving leagues.

Here's my gripe. Today I call ahead and they tell me there will be a wait, but they'll put me on their list. But because I'm only 1 and there is likely to be a long wait list, they're going to charge me the rate for 2 people. So if I go practice by myself for 2 hours, I get charged $30 instead of the $15 it should be (roughly; I don't remember the rates exactly).

I understand the reasoning here: they have plenty of parties of 2, 3, or 4 on their list that they could be making more money off of than me solo, so why should they take a relative loss on me? Plus, no doubt multi-person parties are more likely to give the bar business than someone coming alone to practice. Even if they tick me off enough to lose my business permanently, it's no loss at all to them since they're hardly lacking for customers. But this still seems like a slimy business practice to me. It's almost like a restaurant charging a patron who comes alone for two dinners instead of one, just because there's a bunch of couples waiting in line behind him that they could be making more money off of.

I'm sure I'll go back to Amsterdam because it's such a pleasure to play there and I've found the customer service to be generally very friendly & good with the exception of this policy. But I certainly can't afford to pay double rates, and I'm bummed right now because I was excited to shoot tonight and there's not really another convenient pool hall near me.

So what do you all think? Is this simply a sensible business strategy, or yet another sad example of pool halls neglecting "players" in favor of the general crowds? Is this type of policy more common than I realize? More importanly, would anyone in the area like to make plans to shoot some friendly games together some evening so I don't have to worry about this party-of-one problem?

Andrew
Do what I do and and hide in the bathrooms until the place closes. Then you can get all the pool you want! >:D Seems devious but a junkie's gotta do what a junkie's gotta do...

Earl likes this idea, see:

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I think it's a lesser of two evils for them. They have to choose between pissing off one person or two or more at a time.


If every night, they have just one table for one hour at $15 vs $30, that $15 dollars multiplied each night over the course of a year could be as much as $5000.

If you factor in that a group of three or four could be waiting for a table for an extra hour, double or triple that number.

That's just one table, during one hour.

I think the restaurant analogy is an interesting one. Maybe they should take reservations, or even one step further, just like some golf courses, you have to guarrantee you tee time with a credit card?

At any rate, it looks like you need to find another place to practice!

Good luck! :)
 
This is why I like pool halls that charge by the table, not per person per table, because you always know exactly how much you are paying no matter how large or small your group is.
 
I Herd that Amsterdam Billiards Charged about 14.00. Oh, well, Close enough.

I play at a nice 22 table room called "The Anastasia Billiard Room".
Nice Place With Five GC3's, 13 AMF 9' and Five vally barboxes.
The New GC 3's are $4.50 per hour, The AMF's are $3.50.
I play here Because It close and Very Nice. The Regulars, Treat me Great!
The Other place is closer but not as nice, with a bunch of 8' tables for roughly the same rates. They use to have a snooker table, 5x10.

Thats Funny Because Alot Of The Regulars Are A Little Upset With $4.50.
I would hate for them to have to play at some places up north or out west.
-Vinnie
 
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I'm sorry you haven't had a better experience at Amsterdam. It's clear you've come to understand what so many of us who play there realized long ago:

Amsterdam is a premium pool product in a premium location offering a pleasant and tasteful social scene.

The place is always jam-packed because so many people think it's worth paying a premium price for a pool hall with such unmatched style and elegance. In additon, people flock to Amsterdam's leagues because Amsterdam offers leagues across all disciplines (nine ball, straight pool, eight ball and one pocket) in a very competitive, yet very friendly setting. Amsterdam has certainly earned its popularity by delivering a consistently exceptional product.

While I can appreciate and understand your gripe about the price, I suspect that the management probably views each pool table the way the management of a restaurant views a table for four in their establishment. They hope for a party of four, understand that they'll often have to settle for a party of two, but hate to give a table big enough for four to a party of one during peak hours. I wouldn't fault a restaurant for such a policy and, consequently, can understand Amseterdam's policy.

As for getting matches, you can send me a PM. Not only will I give you a game, but, once I find out your speed, I'd be more than happy to introduce you around to some Amsterdam players who would make suitable practice partners for you. FYI, these days, I only play pool on the weekend, Andrew.
 
sjm said:
I'm sorry you haven't had a better experience at Amsterdam. It's clear you've come to understand what so many of us who play there realized long ago:

Amsterdam is a premium pool product in a premium location offering a pleasant and tasteful social scene.

The place is always jam-packed because so many people think it's worth paying a premium price for a pool hall with such unmatched style and elegance. In additon, people flock to Amsterdam's leagues because Amsterdam offers leagues across all disciplines (nine ball, straight pool, eight ball and one pocket) in a very competitive, yet very friendly setting. Amsterdam has certainly earned its popularity by delivering a consistently exceptional product.

While I can appreciate and understand your gripe about the price, I suspect that the management probably views each pool table the way the management of a restaurant views a table for four in their establishment. They hope for a party of four, understand that they'll often have to settle for a party of two, but hate to give a table big enough for four to a party of one during peak hours. I wouldn't fault a restaurant for such a policy and, consequently, can understand Amseterdam's policy.

As for getting matches, you can send me a PM. Not only will I give you a game, but, once I find out your speed, I'd be more than happy to introduce you around to some Amsterdam players who would make suitable practice partners for you. FYI, these days, I only play pool on the weekend, Andrew.

Wait wait... what is Amsterdam again? lol :D

I keed

I keed...

no but seriously, you can see that font from space. It is permenantly burned into my eyeballs T_T
 
Another table charging method

The last time i was at Jillians in Akron OH (12 or 14 GCs) They charge $5 for a table until prime time 4 or 5PM. Thats $5 total for 6 hours no matter how many people are playing. After 5 they charge one rate per table regardless of how many people i think its $5 or $6 per hour.
 
Inzombiac said:
Do what I do and and hide in the bathrooms until the place closes. Then you can get all the pool you want! >:D Seems devious but a junkie's gotta do what a junkie's gotta do...

Earl likes this idea, see:

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Earl used to sleep under the pool table when he was coming up.As for being charged alot at amsterdam,i am glad i live close to a few pool halls where i can play until i drop for $10.:D
 
Fast Lenny said:
Earl used to sleep under the pool table when he was coming up.


There must be something with sleeping on/under tables. I heard efren used to sleep on pool tables when he was a kid.

I envy you guys.. $3-6 per hour (some even on primetime) I'm lucky if I can get $10 per hr during off hours. Only place that comes close is hollywood billiards in hollywood, ca. which charges $4 per table/hr until 6pm.
 
I had a chance to play at the 211 club in Seattle one
Friday(back before they closed), but only if I
could find someone to share the table with me. They
wouldn't even consider letting me pay the two person
rate per/hr of pool. :( Weird.
Ended up spending the evening watching and learning
about 3 cushion, which was entertaining.
 
You can be pretty sure they pay more rent per table monthly than some halls pay for the entire footage monthly. Just a quick figuring , lets say they pay $50 a yr. per square foot which would not be out of bounds in NYC, a table takes about 5 x 10 plus lets give it 5 feet all around the table , thats a 15 x 20 space = 300 square feet , thats $50 x 300 sq. ft. = $15,000 per year to have that ONE table there , thats just rent , never mind everything else.
 
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so come to skyline in brooklyn. $4/hr daytime weeknights $15 play all night. weekend nights $7/hr to play alone.
 
We used to joke around about things like that

Inzombiac said:
Do what I do and and hide in the bathrooms until the place closes. Then you can get all the pool you want! >:D Seems devious but a junkie's gotta do what a junkie's gotta do...

We used to joke around about things like that. One time we were kidding around about what would happen if the owner closed up, but forgot to lock the door when he left.

Would they charge us for "Entering and breaking"? :)
 
JoeyA said:
Businesses are there to make money and it is unfortunate that this particular pool hall doesn't appreciate "players" and charge $30 per hour.

To be clear, the $30 estimate was for two hours (charged double time), not for one hour. It's normally something like $8 per person per hour in the evenings, if I remember correctly. I think their rates are actually not bad at all for what you get; it's just the charging double for one person that gets me.

Anyway, thanks for your thoughts, guys. Like I said, I really enjoy playing at Amsterdam, so I'll probably try for weekends in the daytime next time, when it's not likely to be so crowded. And junior718, I do want to check out Skyline sometime. Thanks for the suggestion.

Andrew
 
Be careful what you say on these forums, you might find yourself getting bared for sharing your personal opinions. ;)
 
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