Pool has a "FATAL FLAW"

Pool-300

Hi Paul,

In Dallas, there is a new league that was created and formed by one of the guys behind OB Cues called Pool-300. It combines rotation with straight pool and allows each player chances at the table to see who can win the round. Each player racks the balls the same way, gets the same chance to break, then take their turn at the table to try and run out. It is scored like bowling and each player gets 3 innings in a round to try and make the best score with their handicap. For me, as a more advanced player, it really helps with the my focus and patterns. Against the lower ranked players, I have to play to my level each time I step up to the table to win, if I slack off at all, I lose. It's very easy to handicap and the handicap is very true to the player, as it continually adjusts each time they play a match. Check out their website and let me know what you think - www.pool300.com

Tara
 
Firecracker said:
Hi Paul,

In Dallas, there is a new league that was created and formed by one of the guys behind OB Cues called Pool-300. It combines rotation with straight pool and allows each player chances at the table to see who can win the round. Each player racks the balls the same way, gets the same chance to break, then take their turn at the table to try and run out. It is scored like bowling and each player gets 3 innings in a round to try and make the best score with their handicap. For me, as a more advanced player, it really helps with the my focus and patterns. Against the lower ranked players, I have to play to my level each time I step up to the table to win, if I slack off at all, I lose. It's very easy to handicap and the handicap is very true to the player, as it continually adjusts each time they play a match. Check out their website and let me know what you think - www.pool300.com

Tara
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Thanks Tara. Don sent me a PM today about the league. I will be sure to hit the website. How long has the league been in existence? Paul
 
Firecracker said:
Hi Paul,

In Dallas, there is a new league that was created and formed by one of the guys behind OB Cues called Pool-300. It combines rotation with straight pool and allows each player chances at the table to see who can win the round. Each player racks the balls the same way, gets the same chance to break, then take their turn at the table to try and run out. It is scored like bowling and each player gets 3 innings in a round to try and make the best score with their handicap. For me, as a more advanced player, it really helps with the my focus and patterns. Against the lower ranked players, I have to play to my level each time I step up to the table to win, if I slack off at all, I lose. It's very easy to handicap and the handicap is very true to the player, as it continually adjusts each time they play a match. Check out their website and let me know what you think - www.pool300.com


Tara
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So is a perfect score 90?
 
golf and bowling do not play defense, but they give the exact same opportunity to all players. 18 holes, 10 frames, ets. you can't lose without getting to play. That is why i love Pool300/ check it out www.pool300.com
 
As it is played in league now, 90 is a perfect score, but you can play it as a 10 frame and then 300 would be. I personally would like to play a singles league of Pool300 and play 10 frames. We don't in teams because of the time constraints.
 
youngstownkid said:
Paul, are you saying your business is suffering, or are you just referring to how the professional pool scene is suffering?
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Thanks for voicing in. I did not say anyone was suffering. I am saying that there is nothing that the pro scene does that is useful or connected to local billiard rooms. This is an awful shame.
 
I hardly remember when "equal offense" was invented. Hot for a while, and then died off completely, due to lack of interest.

This is the very reason why I like playing 3-cushion so much. You can play against the world champion, and still get to shoot. You might miss, but at least you got to go to the table and try.
 
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Paul Schofield said:
I am saying that every effort should be made to guarantee opportunities at the table. The more often both players can be brought back to the table in a way that makes sense, the more viable and entertaining the competition will be. This will also mean that matches will be much closer and the better player will actually win more often. This makes the game more palatable to everyone.

I am saying that there is not enough back and forth and no, I do not think that players get their chances. This is why we keep jumping to new games.
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One pocket, alot of back in forth
 
DogsPlayingPool said:
So is a perfect score 90?
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Yes, a perfect 3 rounds scores a 90, but it is very difficult to obtain. Only one player in the league has done it. I have been in the 60s several times, but can't seem to get over that and for the first half of the season, had one of the lowest handicaps in the league.
 
Paul Schofield said:
Thanks Tara. Don sent me a PM today about the league. I will be sure to hit the website. How long has the league been in existence? Paul
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I have been playing for the last year. Before they opened it up to local players, they ran several test runs to ensure the handicaps, scoring, and format works for the majority of players.
 
new qualifier based national 8ball championship

it might not be about changing the rules one more time, but changing the image. maybe even changing the way we run tournaments, for example:

The idea of having a qualifier was mentioned earlier. I do feel that having more qualifiers would be a good thing for pool tournaments because it would increase the prize pool.

The APA has a qualifier for their US Amateur Championship, but it is a special format that does not really apply to lesser players, and doesn't pay anything out. In fact, if you qualify for the National Championship, you have to PAY extra money to go. I believe it's $60 if you qualify.

If there was a 8 ball qualifier that was (1) cheap, and (2) handicapped, and it was organized all over the country to have round upon round of qualifiers, it was really add up and end up being a tournament that would pay out well, and since the better handicapped local league 8 ballers would feel they can compete, they'd have a chance and get involved in the qualifiers, which would bulk up the prize pool.

If the US Open opened itself up and had qualifiers all over the country, like in golf for example, then instead of having an elitist field of ppl who are backed for the $500 entry fee, then we might have (1) a ton more players, (2) a lot more money, (3) some TV coverage (since the $ would be there to make it interesting)

as a side note:
Paul, at your place, do you have any tournaments for your league members? Maybe you could have weekly qualifiers for them, then have a seasonal 8 ball tournament that are only for league players who qualify...this wouldn't translate into interest toward the 9 ball tourney you having playing on the tube, but would probably be good business to make your league players happy that you are running tournaments for them.

just a thought
 
Mark...FYI, anybody can run a qualifier for the U.S. Open 9ball. All they have to do is organize and run it. You don't really expect Barry to set up and run qualifiers, all over the country, do you (although he does so at QMasters)?

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

youngstownkid said:
If the US Open opened itself up and had qualifiers all over the country, like in golf for example, then instead of having an elitist field of ppl who are backed for the $500 entry fee, then we might have (1) a ton more players, (2) a lot more money, (3) some TV coverage (since the $ would be there to make it interesting)
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First of all it was just a suggestion, I don't expect anything, but...

In order for it to be successfull, it would have to be an organized effort that goes all the way up, so yes, Barry or somebody on his behalf would have to set up the template for the qualifier, and provide incentives for room owners to do it, a timeline for when they should be run and have results returned, etc. (6 months ago I jotted down a system I thought would make sense, but then just pitched it, I could prob recreate it and post it if you thought it was worthwhile)

If Barry were to just say, hey room owners, would anyone be interested in doing this for me, they would likely collectively ignore him. Also, if there were any room owners who would set up a qualifier, they would certainly pocket any extra cash over the $500 entry (or give some to the qualifying person for travel), not send it to Barry to increase the size of the prize pool, right?
 
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Paul Schofield said:
Thanks for voicing in. I did not say anyone was suffering. I am saying that there is nothing that the pro scene does that is useful or connected to local billiard rooms. This is an awful shame.
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I don't think I am being clear. I am saying that game structure and equipment for the pros is disconnected from what a pool room does (or should be doing). This makes the pros worthless to us and us poolrooms worthless to the pros.
 
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Paul Schofield said:
I don't think I am being clear. I am saying that game structure and equipment for the pros is disconnected from what a pool room does (or should be doing). This makes the pros worthless to us and us poolrooms worthless to the pros.
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That statement should say alot to anyone doing pro events. Just where do you think the players come from. There is a disconnect in the game. There is a disconnect in the equipment. There is a disconnect with the atitude.

RO's can't control the game most customers play, yet I bet most customers play 8-ball. RO's are at the base level with the players. Yet, promoters/TDs don't listen to what they are saying and continue on the path to failure. There is a reason amateur 8-ball events draw big crowds. There is a connection between the game and the players. There is a reason that the Valley International Junior tournament draws big crowds playing 8-ball on a bar table and the BEF is relatively small playing 9-ball on a 9 footer.

The pro games of 9-ball, 10-ball, one-pocket are a disconnect from the mainstream. Worse yet, it is played on equipment that few RO's would even have in their room. It just wouldn't get played on.

Paul is correct. Except for a very small percentage of customers, the pros and the shows they put on are worthless to the room and their customers.
 
Wags said:
That statement should say alot to anyone doing pro events. Just where do you think the players come from. There is a disconnect in the game. There is a disconnect in the equipment. There is a disconnect with the atitude.

RO's can't control the game most customers play, yet I bet most customers play 8-ball. RO's are at the base level with the players. Yet, promoters/TDs don't listen to what they are saying and continue on the path to failure. There is a reason amateur 8-ball events draw big crowds. There is a connection between the game and the players. There is a reason that the Valley International Junior tournament draws big crowds playing 8-ball on a bar table and the BEF is relatively small playing 9-ball on a 9 footer.

The pro games of 9-ball, 10-ball, one-pocket are a disconnect from the mainstream. Worse yet, it is played on equipment that few RO's would even have in their room. It just wouldn't get played on.

Paul is correct. Except for a very small percentage of customers, the pros and the shows they put on are worthless to the room and their customers.
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There is a high factor of "can I hit him with a pie in the face factor"

The room drinkers are the best supply of noise and usually the best paying customers. Why not make money off of it for both players and room owners?

Call it the best pool shark sharker. I bet Earl would get huge lines of people that want to shark him and will pay for a chance to do that.
 
justnum said:
There is a high factor of "can I hit him with a pie in the face factor"

The room drinkers are the best supply of noise and usually the best paying customers. Why not make money off of it for both players and room owners?

Call it the best pool shark sharker. I bet Earl would get huge lines of people that want to shark him and will pay for a chance to do that.
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I used to think that I was pretty good at sharking, but. when Earl pulled out the magniying glass AND had back-up noise reduces, WOW. Those moves won't be topped or a long while. I will assume my apprentice role to the great Earl. :D
 
Wags said:
I used to think that I was pretty good at sharking, but. when Earl pulled out the magniying glass AND had back-up noise reduces, WOW. Those moves won't be topped or a long while. I will assume my apprentice role to the great Earl. :D
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Try to get out more at a typical sports stadium event, people have glo sticks, ribbons, near topless women, blow horns, fog horns, posters all types of visual and auditory techniques.

The best one I've seen so far is reciting the minutes of a Congressional meeting, it can put people to sleep or drive them crazy.
 
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