Pool has NO shot :-(

[supergreenman]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say I don't want to see Pool enjoy the success Poker has had on TV.

The reason being, this is a FAD. While poker will never go away, poker on TV is on the wane. If it's lucky it will have the lifespan of a reality tv show (which are also on the decline).

I would much rather see some thought and production put into pool to give it a sustainable lifespan like golf, football and the Simpsons

 

[watchez]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say I don't want to see Pool enjoy the success Poker has had on TV.

The reason being, this is a FAD. While poker will never go away, poker on TV is on the wane. If it's lucky it will have the lifespan of a reality tv show (which are also on the decline).

I would much rather see some thought and production put into pool to give it a sustainable lifespan like golf, football and the Simpsons

Maybe on Canadian television it is waning but here in the USA, it grows every year. A whole month of WSOP tournaments on TV now, celebrity poker, poker showdowns, poker with amateurs given an equalizer to the pros. I could go on and on. Poker is on a minimum of five different TV stations now. Poker is on ESPN classic as they are bringing out older broadcasts before the FAD hit. Poker is definitely not waning and your comment & opinion could not be farther from the truth.

 

[cigardave]

I think that is why i said total prize fund. Please read slower.

What is it about... That is correct... that is difficult to understand?

 

[seymore15074]

Maybe on Canadian television it is waning but here in the USA, it grows every year. A whole month of WSOP tournaments on TV now, celebrity poker, poker showdowns, poker with amateurs given an equalizer to the pros. I could go on and on. Poker is on a minimum of five different TV stations now. Poker is on ESPN classic as they are bringing out older broadcasts before the FAD hit. Poker is definitely not waning and your comment & opinion could not be farther from the truth.

It will pass... In my local area poker has come and gone, it is definately declining...not dissappearing, but many are tired of it. Unfortunately, pool is very similar in that way, it also comes and goes in popularity.

 

[watchez]

It will pass... In my local area poker has come and gone, it is definately declining...not dissappearing, but many are tired of it. Unfortunately, pool is very similar in that way, it also comes and goes in popularity.

I am sorry to hear that you don't get ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN Classic, Fox Sports, NBC (7 days a week @2:30 in the morning), CBS, Gameshow Network, or the Travel Channel in Rochester PA. I suggest you call your local cable company or DirectTV & let them know you are upset that you don't receive these channels.

 

[seymore15074]

I am sorry to hear that you don't get ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN Classic, Fox Sports, NBC (7 days a week @2:30 in the morning), CBS, Gameshow Network, or the Travel Channel in Rochester PA. I suggest you call your local cable company or DirectTV & let them know you are upset that you don't receive these channels.

It's still a fad, at least to the extent that it is today.

 

[watchez]

One FINAL response to poker being a fad. From the inception of the World Series of Poker to now, the number of contestants has increased EACH AND EVERY YEAR. Contrary to what you might think, casinos are not stupid. They are one of the great business models in America today. And they now what is and is not a 'fad'. Harrahs did not go and buy up every major casino that was associated with poker because they thought it was a fad. New casinos do not open with 60-100 table poker rooms because it is a fad.

It might be a fad to you and your friends because you had the same intelligence (or lack there of) as 95% of the American public. You thought that everybody could play & win @poker. Just jump right in and you could win a wheel barrel of money just like anyone else you see on TV. You and your friends gave it your shot, went busted and now have sour grapes & still can't understand why you can't beat what is considered a 'better player' in poker. Just a game of chance, you figured. If you had a bigger bankroll, you would still be playing.

watchez<-----waiting for an intelligent response and any ounce of proof that poker is declining.

 

[Rasta]

watchez<-----waiting for an intelligent response and any ounce of proof that poker is declining.

You're correct. Poker is not in a decline. Poker is experiencing the culmination of decades of hard work by people who wanted to see poker appeal to the general public.

We're not going to find any formula to permanently increase pool's popularity without that same kind of long term dedication. There is a reason KT's get rich quick scheme failed.

Good Rolls,
Rasta

 

[seymore15074]

watchez<-----waiting for an intelligent response and any ounce of proof that poker is declining.

Go start a poker thread and wait there.

People are always saying there is no money in pool, so if it's money that you are after, quit playing. Someday when pool kicks back into the mainstream again, the money will be there; and the ones who stick with the game through its ups and downs will be the ones to claim it.

 

[Scottster]

I have to reply, however I have only read till page three.

First, "Why is Poker so popular"? Any Joe BLow can sit on their a$$ at a table with Phil Ivey, Daniel Negrenau etc and wait on a good hand, and know how to play them right after a short amount of experience, and think they have a chance at winning.

In Pool, ol' Joey can play for ten years solid, gain a wealth of knowledge, but can never execute at a level to win against Efren, Ralph etc.

The draw of poker is the illusion of winning big money easy. In pool winning isn't as easy (especially if there is big money). Therefore Joe Blow will pony up 10K to play in a poker tourney but with the physical hand/eye coordination plus the nerves needed to play for big money in pool, Joe Blow wont pony up 10K for a Pool Tourney. Hell, 85% of "A" players in the country, not to mention your avg "league player" wouldn't pony up 10K for a Pool tourney because they know they would be the true definition of "Dead Money".

The sterotype of the seedy hustler will always have a blackeye on pro-pool. This image would have to change.

Golfers (pro-level) gamble and gamble big, but you dont hear about it because that is not the image the PGA wants promoted.

Having a casino sponsor big events. Great IDEA!!! Except, a few years back at a certain event held at a casino, the players involved (PRO's) kinda put the fix on the odds and the weakest player one and the players split up the money.

Well, needless to say that pissed off the casino and the word spread to other casinos, so forget about that route for sponsorship (also, refer back to seedy hustler image and why it has to change).

Dress code, "Business Casual". Which means polo shirts, and cotton slacks (Dockers). Shoes comfortable to the player that are not sandals, flip flops, or anything similar to those. This is all that should ever be required.

Pool players in tuxes, thats the epitomy of "polishing a turd" and the general public will think to themselves, "look at these guys trying so hard to hide their seedy deceitful practices by dressing in tuxes. Who are they trying to fool".

The BCA (Billiards Cast Aside) needs to be over thrown. They have not fulfilled their expectations of their "Mission Statement That's right, I said it! MUTINY!!! For pool to succeed there needs to be an established association that attends to the "Professional Level of Competition" plus the amatuer levels. Good models to look at, The USGA (United States Golf Association), and the USBC (United States Bowling Congress).

The BCA Should be responsible for organizing FOUR major events a year, and have the marketing strategy in place to attract corporate sponsors for these events. Sadly that is not in the interest of the BCA.

(my first thoughts on this thread, back to reading).

 

[Drew]

I have to reply, however I have only read till page three.

First, "Why is Poker so popular"? Any Joe BLow can sit on their a$$ at a table with Phil Ivey, Daniel Negrenau etc and wait on a good hand, and know how to play them right after a short amount of experience, and think they have a chance at winning.

In Pool, ol' Joey can play for ten years solid, gain a wealth of knowledge, but can never execute at a level to win against Efren, Ralph etc.

The draw of poker is the illusion of winning big money easy. In pool winning isn't as easy (especially if there is big money). Therefore Joe Blow will pony up 10K to play in a poker tourney but with the physical hand/eye coordination plus the nerves needed to play for big money in pool, Joe Blow wont pony up 10K for a Pool Tourney. Hell, 85% of "A" players in the country, not to mention your avg "league player" wouldn't pony up 10K for a Pool tourney because they know they would be the true definition of "Dead Money".

The sterotype of the seedy hustler will always have a blackeye on pro-pool. This image would have to change.

Golfers (pro-level) gamble and gamble big, but you dont hear about it because that is not the image the PGA wants promoted.

Having a casino sponsor big events. Great IDEA!!! Except, a few years back at a certain event held at a casino, the players involved (PRO's) kinda put the fix on the odds and the weakest player one and the players split up the money.

Well, needless to say that pissed off the casino and the word spread to other casinos, so forget about that route for sponsorship (also, refer back to seedy hustler image and why it has to change).

Dress code, "Business Casual". Which means polo shirts, and cotton slacks (Dockers). Shoes comfortable to the player that are not sandals, flip flops, or anything similar to those. This is all that should ever be required.

Pool players in tuxes, thats the epitomy of "polishing a turd" and the general public will think to themselves, "look at these guys trying so hard to hide their seedy deceitful practices by dressing in tuxes. Who are they trying to fool".

The BCA (Billiards Cast Aside) needs to be over thrown. They have not fulfilled their expectations of their "Mission Statement That's right, I said it! MUTINY!!! For pool to succeed there needs to be an established association that attends to the "Professional Level of Competition" plus the amatuer levels. Good models to look at, The USGA (United States Golf Association), and the USBC (United States Bowling Congress).

The BCA Should be responsible for organizing FOUR major events a year, and have the marketing strategy in place to attract corporate sponsors for these events. Sadly that is not in the interest of the BCA.

(my first thoughts on this thread, back to reading).

FINALLY!!! Somebody came out and said it. Poker has been successful because it is easy. Hell I started playing cards and a month later I was already making money on it. It took me a year to start making money playing pool. The BCA, APA, TAP, UPA, IPT, whatever other 3 letter acronyms you can think of, are all jokes. Ask anyone what the governing body of basketball, baseball, bowling, poker, football, and golf is and they all know. What's the governing body of pool? Don't worry, I'll wait. What kills me is that the players don't see this. Ask the APA player what the rules of the game are, and it's different from what the BCA player tells you. That's just ridiculous. The only guys around who know every variation of the rules are the gamblers who could care less about leagues. How sad is that? The best and most knowledgeable players are not affiliated.

Pool cannot follow the model of WSOP. The game is too hard. Any fool can win a hand against Phil. Not anyone can beat Efren. The lure of poker is the factor of luck. The lure of pool is something else. The future of pool lies in its darker side. What appeals to the younger generation? It sure as hell isn't tournament play. The kids want to be hustlers. They want to gamble. They want to rebel against the clean activities. Smoking, drinking, and gambling. Sex, drugs, and rock 'n roll. It's about time we embrace the darker sides of pool. The shady side is the marketable side. Look at how The Fast and the Furious affected the import aftermarket. F&F showed the kids the glamorous side of street racing. It's time we show the kids the same thing in pool. TCOM didn't do it enough. There were too many old farts in that movie. If you want to appeal to the kids, show them kids.

On a side note: What the hell is this? http://www.mypooltv.com/ somehow I think this is marketable as well. Boobs and pool.

 

[crosseyedjoe]

Just be very careful, poker even with it's awesome prize fund is still not a livable career for most of the players.

Consider this;

Are pool players willing to shed 10K entry fee to get a spot on the final event?

Are pool hall owners and promoters willing to cut their take so part of the money will go to the total prize fund of the final event?

Are pool players ready to accept the fact that they can only claim their prize during the final event, and if and only if, they got into the money stage after winning a qualifying smaller tournament?


Aside from the very splintered pool scene in America, players have nothing to look forward to after proving themselves to be one of the best. WPBA top-tier players are getting sponsorships quite easily.

Maybe, BCA should relinquish their control over to WPBA. Just a thought. Maybe just maybe, men's pool scene needs a woman's touch.

 

[Fleece3]

When did he say "the pool-playing community in general makes money gambling"????

He didn't..I did. Isn't it our goal that "the pool PLAYERS (not playing) community" be able to make a living playing pool. Or are you happy with just a few gamblers making money?

 

[Fleece3]

Then how do you explain the success of poker. It's on every channel. I'll wait for your reply. Philw

I already replied to this. Read a few post back..It is in my response to JAM

 

[Fleece3]

This was posted tonight in another thread entitled "Action Report"

-------------------Start Quote--------------------
Starcade Billiards had their Andy Grubbs memorial tournament this past weekend. It was a great event ran on 11 tables with a time schedule. The turn out had 103 top notch players. Two US open winners and a ton of others. The tournament was won by Tony Crosby undefeated. I'll give the run down of the top six below. Anyway, Scotty and Hennesey matched up on Sunday and came out even. They played again on Tuesday for about 15hrs and came out close to the same again. Here's the crazy part. All said and done John and his buddy leave to go to the hotel room, They get there only to get robbed at gun point for a claimed $18k. WOW... It was said by them that when they got to the room the guy was waiting on them. Looks like someone had been watching them the whole time.
--------------------End Quote-------------------

Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury.....I REST MY CASE!!!

That is unless someone wants to discuss the recent Jennifer Chen situation..

 

[Fleece3]

This is kind of ridiculous, to put it mildly. You are just describing one situation in which everyone ends up breaking even in the long run. In reality, many players do MAKE money gambling and come out ahead. To take an obvious example, Dennis Orcollo. I don't even know why I need to argue this it is so obvious. He mentioned "pool players". Some pool players make money gambling. When did he say "the pool-playing community in general makes money gambling"????

Do you need a social science class or something? My example was a microcosm of a macrocosm. You can extrapolate the numbers out as far as you want. The PRINCIPLE remains sound.

 

[crosseyedjoe]

Do you need a social science class or something? My example was a microcosm of a macrocosm. You can extrapolate the numbers out as far as you want. The PRINCIPLE remains sound.

He-he, this is America, it's politically incorrect to judge a group by its natural tendencies.

 

[Master Shooter]

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[GoldRush cues]

couple of years ago i placed 7th in the peno pro am. (usppa) paid 60 entry and recieved $500. later that month i fished in a t.o.c. (tournament of champions) on Clear Lake , ca. i placed 7th. entry $175 , recieved $4700.first place was a 38k boat fully rigged. now in fishing we have money options. how these work is there are 10, 20, 30 ,and 50 dollar options. you can get in any or all options and if you place high enough you get paid back in the options as well as the tourney money. when my partner and i placed 7th that was over all out of like 200 boats, but we placed first in our division. we won 5 tournaments that year and cashed in a few others. i was 1099 for something like 11k. major sponsors are everything, but we need to start charging more to enter into major tournaments in pool . paydays would be bigger, might get major news coverage in the local areas that the tourneys are held, and in return might bring some sponsorships knocking. just my opionion.

 

[Master Shooter]

couple of years ago i placed 7th in the peno pro am. (usppa) paid 60 entry and recieved $500. later that month i fished in a t.o.c. (tournament of champions) on Clear Lake , ca. i placed 7th. entry $175 , recieved $4700.first place was a 38k boat fully rigged. now in fishing we have money options. how these work is there are 10, 20, 30 ,and 50 dollar options. you can get in any or all options and if you place high enough you get paid back in the options as well as the tourney money. when my partner and i placed 7th that was over all out of like 200 boats, but we placed first in our division. we won 5 tournaments that year and cashed in a few others. i was 1099 for something like 11k. major sponsors are everything, but we need to start charging more to enter into major tournaments in pool . paydays would be bigger, might get major news coverage in the local areas that the tourneys are held, and in return might bring some sponsorships knocking. just my opionion.

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