Pool has NO shot :-(

StormHotRod300 said:
The reason the " Action " is such a big topic after a tournament is because pool players have to gamble to make money.


Pool Players (the community) do not MAKE money gambling. The same money simply circulates around a rather elite group of people. Let me explain.....

Player A loses 5k to player B....
Some time later....
Player B loses 5k to player C....
Some time later....
Player C loses 5k to player A

So if you look at what happened.....5k simply changed hands within this group of players. So the community (in this example, players A, B and C) MADE no money. As there was no outside influx of cash. In order for pool players to MAKE money with we need OUTSIDE (sponsorship) cash. And in order to do so we MUST make our product (Pool) attractive to the general public and mainstream sponsors. Golfers (the community) MAKE money because their money does not come at the expense of other GOLFERS (the community), it comes from Buick, American Express, Rolex, etc.....
 
tk_it_ez said:
Few suggestions on getting TV viewers to watch pool like they do fishing. And if you get them to watch, the sponsers will come.

1. Many people watch fishing because they feel like they are going to learn something. The pros show the baits they are using, the color, explain why they are using it, how they are fishing it, and why they chose the location.

Most beginners don't learn that much from watching pool on TV. How about instead of saying "he is going to use low left english on this shot" they also put a picture of a ball in the corner of the screen with a spot showing the approximate area the ball will be hit. Maybe add in a speed guage. Then beginners may be able to learn a little more by seeing how the balls react.

Focus and discuss some of the different bridges used for different shots.

Point out mechanics.

Try to teach something. Kind of like the fishing industry and poker tournaments have done.

2. People watch because they know and either love or hate the people involved. Fishing does a lot of background stuff on the pros. So does poker. With these "sports" the pros are talking anyway and you get a sense of who they are. It is not the same with pool so they have to do more background stories on the players involved. Look at Nascar, they have to do background stories or else everyone would just be cheering for their favorite color of car.

How many times has there been a boxing match come on that you didn't really care about until they did the prefight fighter stories. Then all of a sudden you are involved and want one fighter to win. Are you more likely to watch another fight later if the same fighter is on again???


So my sugestions are to dumb it down so no matter what level you play at you can learn something and get the audience to feel more of a connection to certain players.

Teach them, entertain them, and give them a reason to cheer for someone.

Just my 2 cents.

Nathan

I completely agree. All of these are great ideas. I hope some people with influence are reading these.
 
Fleece3 said:
Pool Players (the community) do not MAKE money gambling. The same money simply circulates around a rather elite group of people. Let me explain.....

Player A loses 5k to player B....
Some time later....
Player B loses 5k to player C....
Some time later....
Player C loses 5k to player A

So if you look at what happened.....5k simply changed hands within this group of players. So the community (in this example, players A, B and C) MADE no money. As there was no outside influx of cash. In order for pool players to MAKE money with we need OUTSIDE (sponsorship) cash. And in order to do so we MUST make our product (Pool) attractive to the general public and mainstream sponsors. Golfers (the community) MAKE money because their money does not come at the expense of other GOLFERS (the community), it comes from Buick, American Express, Rolex, etc.....

This is kind of ridiculous, to put it mildly. You are just describing one situation in which everyone ends up breaking even in the long run. In reality, many players do MAKE money gambling and come out ahead. To take an obvious example, Dennis Orcollo. I don't even know why I need to argue this it is so obvious. He mentioned "pool players". Some pool players make money gambling. When did he say "the pool-playing community in general makes money gambling"????
 
John Barton said:
I just finished watching a bass fishing tournament. For an hour they kept switching between boats to show the fishermen pulling fish out of the water. The contestant were all decked out with logos like Nascar drivers, the had "cap cams". Each time a fish got pulled out there was a computer graphic in 3d of the brand and shape of the lure used.

At the end of the show the fishermen all got on stage to present their fish for weighing. There was a screaming crowd of about 500 or so. They cheered for every fish. First prize was $200,000, 2cnd was $100,000.

What chance does pool have in a climate where fishing tournaments have HUGE corporate sponsorship from the event on down to the participants?

You know why, POOL itself is not mainstream. Yamaha, Mercury, Coleman and many others whose logos were all over the place at the fishing tournament are household names. People who don't fish know what those companies do and have used the equipment they make at one time or another in their life.

Ask casual viewers of a pool match who the sponsors are? Blank stares all around. At the fishing thing it was obvious that the Logos were attached to things that are useful to the average viewers.

Just once I'd like to see a 3d shot of the player's cues on a televised billiard match. Maybe that would entice more sponsors to step up and be a part of pool.
This was a great interesting post..i too can't believe how fishing has hit it so big tourney wise..i am not a fisherman myself but we all grew up with it..someone we know loves to fish..there are Country music songs written about going fishing..i just can't believe the huge money involved in it.that's nice that so many people can find it so relaxing to do..
 
There have been some excellent responses to this thread initiated by John. I'm not sure anyone has the answer to the current dilemma pool faces in America.

Tours have come and gone. Millions have been invested in pool, and though the events were first class to the nth degree, mainstream America didn't seem to take notice.

Allen Hopkins tried to inject a little fun on TV when he came up with the innovative idea of the Skins Billiards Championship and the Texas Hold'em Pool. This is about the closest I have seen where pool actually has a personality on TV, as compared to the other broadcasts in the past.

Gambling is what the majority of Americans within the pool culture seem to enjoy seeing, especially up front and close. Go to the Super Billiards Expo and check out the lower level where the action is 24/7. The railbirds and spectators congregate there. They want to see what's happening. They want to be a part of it, making side bets. It is fun.

I think if pool can be presented on a platform to mainstream America in the form of gambling, then and only then will the other broadcasts of pool become popular. Today, I sometimes watch pool on TV, but it does not hold my interest, and I am a member of the American pool culture.

However, if I was to see an action match between, say, Alex Pagulayan and Keith McCready, I would be glued to the tube, wanting to hang onto every word exchanged between the two players. I use Keith in this example because his bark always seems to be the loudest, and Alex, though small in stature, has a mighty roar when he struts his stuff on the table. It would be, in essence, entertaining.

Now, the purists may not like this representation of pool, but I think the purists are in the minority here in the American pool culture. Once America is hooked and they get to actually know the individual players, then maybe the emotionless robotic matches would be more interesting to watch. However, today's pool on TV isn't attracting anyone, except those of us who are in the American pool culture.

In sum, money ain't going to help, as evidenced by the multi-million-dollar IPT events. However, if pool can be presented to the public in a different format, then and only then will money make a difference. Outside non-pool-related sponsors will be inclined to invest in pool when they see mainstream America take an interest. JMHO, FWIW!

P.S. I have seen Alex and Keith duking it out on a field of green several times, and it was standing room only. At the 2003 U.S. Open, they stole the show, and at the 2004 Derby City Classic, Alex and Keith again put on an exhibition which captivated everyone's attention.

JAM
 
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JAM said:
P.S. I have seen Alex and Keith duking it out on a field of green several times, and it was standing room only. At the 2003 U.S. Open, they stole the show, and at the 2004 Derby City Classic, Alex and Keith again put on an exhibition which captivated everyone's attention.

This picture was taken outside of the Chesapeake Conference Center at the U.S. Open. After the match between Alex and Keith, an older gentleman came up to Keith and said words to the effect of: "I've been coming to the U.S. Open every year now, but tonight, I have never had so much fun. I really enjoyed myself watching you play. I am going to come back next year and hope to see you again. Where are you competing next? I want to be there."

To me, that was the biggest compliment I have heard since I have been on the American tournament trail, bar none.

JAM
 

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Fleece3 said:
I made this statement. And I know your statement to be true. People will gamble at anything. Hell I have seen people gamble on paper football. My statement said "Tiger and Phil" not "Doctors/Lawyers/club Pros and average members". My point is while you don't HEAR of Tiger and Phil (Top Pros)gambling. You commonly hear of Efren and Busta (Top Pros) gambling. So if your were the CEO of let's say Rolex, would you attach your company name to an athlete that is commonly known to partake in illegal gambling?


gotcha, I'm right there with ya on this topic even though we may be on different sides, we all want the game to come back to greatness...

I guess what I was thinking is instead of trying to "clean up" the general public veiw of gambling/pool/smoky room aspect of pool...go with what the public thinks for now, then educate them during the broadcast about the REAL game we know and love...the beautiful rooms in most every town...the never ending supply of characters...and that you can play your whole life never seeing the "supposed" seedy side people have been lead to believe goes on in pool rooms.

The media has more to do with what the public thinks of our game, then the actual players involved our game. I HATE when every pool scene has to end in a fight, or a stabbing, a robbery.....I have NEVER seen or been involved in anything like that in any room I've ever been in!!

Gerry
 
JAM,
I'm not sure I agree with your comment about money not helping. Money spent the way the IPT spent it won't help, but it could have.
Suppose, rather than the large payouts, they had cut back just a little bit, and spent some of the money PROMOTING the tour to the general public. KT does have a flair for marketing, but all the promotion was aimed toward the pool playing community. They already had us!!! What they failed to do is generate any interest with the general public. Some well placed tv commercials on ESPN and Fox Sports Network, maybe even in Sports Illustrated would have reached a far greater potential audience. And I think the players would have lined up for a series of tournaments with $1 million added just like they did for the huge payouts that were promised. Staging great events is pretty worthless if they aren't promoted properly. The IPT was mis-managed, at best, IMO.
Steve
 
The problem with pool games that are invented for tv shows is that it doesn't help to get more people to actually get interested in pool in general. Such programs are not fresh enough with new episodes to capture repeat viewers. They are vastly different from the games most people play.

No one rewrote the rules of poker to show it on tv. They found a format that captivated the viewer and taped a new show every month.

No one has changed how people fish for tv. They go out and do what they do and the producers hve found ways to work around the pros and make the program interesting. I know some who some pro fishermen are and their names stick in my head. The fishing show had Cap Cams, Snorkel Cams, Bait Cams (just kidding, but if the could they would). They had computer animations showing where bass hide out and how fishermen try to entice them to bite. And of course the 3D bait thing. They also had stats on screen for each fisherman.

I'll tell you what makes me PUKE. When I go to a televised pool tournament and the producers are directing the players as if they are actors. They tell them when they are allowed to break, they stop play to change tapes, they hold up applause signs for the audience. It's utter contrived BS. It's the tail wagging the dog. The PLAYERS are the stars. They are the ones with unbelieveable skills.

Instead of doing a half assed production which treats them like extras why not figure out a way to let them just PLAY and the show revolves around them. I very much doubt that Andy Roddick is ever told to hold off on his serve while ESPN changes tapes.

As to the gambling. Well that's a part of pool that shouldn't be swept under the rug but it shouldn't be celebrated either. In Pro Poker they aren't really gambling. It's a tournament where they all had the same buy-in and no one is technically hustling anyone else. Everyone knows that the amount in chips is far inflated over the actual prize fund. I suggest that the gambling stories be told. They are romantic. People love stories of gunfights.

I submit however that in the event that pros did start making serious money that they would pretty much stop gambling. Some wouldn't because the thrill tht gambling on pool provides is in their blood. Others would be happy to never play anything but tournaments and make a good living at it.

I think that the action at something like Derby City would have some appeal to the mainstream public. In fact, I think live coverage of Derby City would be a ratings dream.

Trudeau, man, he had the pitch. If only he had had the planning and the execution to follow through.

Why doesn't somebody pitch the World Series of Poker guy on pool? Jay Helfert, why don't you and Tang convince him that pool and poker are like a hand and glove. Poker on wednsday nights and pool on thursday nights!!!
 
I have thought about this for years and I think the reason pool is not great on TV is because it is slow and boring. What is needed is to speed up the game and make it exciting. 9 ball is the most exciting game to watch and with a few rule changes it would be great for TV.
Rules:
Flip coin for opening break and winner breaks.
1 push allowed first shot after break after that ball in hand on all misses.
30 second shot clock

Gambling:
At casinos they could set up a betting window like horse racing. The more people bet on one player the odds go down. That way players couldn’t dump the house.

Could you imagine the great shot making you would see. How would you like to see someone run 11 racks. Safeties and tight pocket may be good for gambling, but not TV.
 
deerhunter said:
Could you imagine the great shot making you would see. How would you like to see someone run 11 racks. Safeties and tight pocket may be good for gambling, but not TV.

This is the biggest misconception about casual viewer. This is a player's perspective.

Casual viewers want to see their "Keith" and "Alex" on the table and hopefully win. Even if they win it by "swinging a dead chicken over their heads."
 
John Barton said:
I'll tell you what makes me PUKE. When I go to a televised pool tournament and the producers are directing the players as if they are actors. They tell them when they are allowed to break, they stop play to change tapes, they hold up applause signs for the audience. It's utter contrived BS. It's the tail wagging the dog. The PLAYERS are the stars. They are the ones with unbelieveable skills.

Instead of doing a half assed production which treats them like extras why not figure out a way to let them just PLAY and the show revolves around them. I very much doubt that Andy Roddick is ever told to hold off on his serve while ESPN changes tapes.
Have you ever been to a live NFL game? You don't realize it watching from your couch but seeing the game live you realize how the entire game is orchestrated by TV. The referees are all wired to the TV production crew so they can stop/start play coming in/out of commercial breaks. Basketball is exactly the same. They have mandatory TV timeouts at certain intervals of the game. There are no applause signs, but these games are exciting enough that the fans don't need help on knowing when to get loud. I have never been to a live tennis event but I am sure that the play is also dictated by TV. You might find it utter BS but if pool is ever to make the big time, it will be with the money & advertising that TV bring. If I was a pro pool player & some TV producer wanted to tell me when I could break the balls, get a drink of water or go to the bathroom, I wouldn't be offended at all. I would be thankful that someone, some where thought that I was interesting enough and talented enough to put me on TV and give me a chance at the money that comes with it. Without TV, pool will stay in the same state it is now with $1000 for first local tournaments & players barely making enough money to cover travel expenses.


John Barton said:
As to the gambling. Well that's a part of pool that shouldn't be swept under the rug but it shouldn't be celebrated either. In Pro Poker they aren't really gambling. It's a tournament where they all had the same buy-in and no one is technically hustling anyone else. Everyone knows that the amount in chips is far inflated over the actual prize fund. I suggest that the gambling stories be told. They are romantic. People love stories of gunfights.
Actually, for most of the major poker tournaments you see on TV, the chips that the players have in front of them at the start of the tournament relate 1:1 to the actual money they paid to get into the tournament. The World Series of Poker entry fee is $10k and every starts out with $10k in chips. The winner, obviously, is the one with all the chips at the end of the tournament and this total chips equals the total prize fund for the tournament. The weekly tournament at your local casino with a $150 buy in is run differently as there is no correlation between the chips and risk put up by the players.

John Barton said:
Why doesn't somebody pitch the World Series of Poker guy on pool? Jay Helfert, why don't you and Tang convince him that pool and poker are like a hand and glove. Poker on wednsday nights and pool on thursday nights!!!
You couldn't convince him because the World Series of Poker guy has no direct interest in pool. The World Series of Poker is run by Harrahs Casinos. They have a direct interest in that the current swell of poker has made them millions of dollars. If 5 million more people start playing pool once a week, how does Harrahs benefit? They could careless. You would be shocked if I told you the profit numbers that a poker room in a casino does. Previous to the big hit of TV poker, poker rooms in casinos were in the back, mostly small & just an added service to the gambler. Now they are one of the main draws for a casino. I don't know if you live in a city with casinos or have been to Vegas lately, but the number of billboards advertising just poker let's you know they are making serious money. The poker room at one casino here in St Louis is now 250% the size of the previous one and is packed almost every night, with waiting lists. Again, poker is nothing like pool except for they both involve gambling. Your average Joe knows that he cannot compete with a pro pool player so you cannot market pool the same way poker has portrayed. Jay would spend his time better talking to the guy that invented the tv show Bowling for Dollars then the WSOP.
 
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Sorry, I meant the World Poker Tour guy. And in that tv show the chips on the table are greater than the money being played for.

I will take your word for it on the NFL and NBA games. Although I still don't think that the production intrudes on the game as much as they do with pool.

And maybe you are right about tennis but I don't think so. Golf either. I can't imagine that some producer is telling Tiger to hold up on his tee shot for a commercial, or to let them get the framing right.

Perhaps I am totally naive here. I can take it if I am. But I truly believe that TV has found a way to let the big time sports be sports without dictating the play.
 
I think your point about TV dictating pool is valid if you take into account that pool is almost never shown live on TV (as is poker). They can edit out or put breaks in the game during post production. ***I will admit I am no TV production expert-this is my disclaimer*** but why can't they do all the editing in post production. Are they just lazy? For the WSOP, I know that they taped over 450 hours of camera time, miles of film, to come up with the shows you see on TV. A lot of editing goes into the presentation the public gets to see.
With golf, there is also editing and tape delay as there is action all over the course so many shots you are seeing are 5 minutes old.
What gets me about pool is the camera work involved in taping a match. Why does the camera man have to be hovering in front of the pocket that the player is shooting a ball into? In baseball, they have a camera in center field, over 400 feet away from home plate, and you can see the sweat on a players face. They can show the pitch in slow motion, so you can see the rotation and seams on a baseball. This interference by TV with the pool player should be avoided & I cannot understand why it is not.

Pool telecasts should also do away with the telestrator (sp?). More computer animation should be used to show the direction of a shot and how it is to be executed. Baseball uses computer animation to show the K zone, football uses it to show the speed & directory of a QB's pass, tennis uses it to show if a ball is in or out, even bowling shows the path of the ball as it hits the pins. I think the telecasts themselves, for pool, need to be more lively and viewer friendly. Show the speed of the break and the action of the balls with computer technology. Baseball shows the pitcher throws the ball at 98 mph, tennis the serve at 130mph, golf shows how many rotations are put on the ball. Pool can do the same. I always ask people outside of pool, how hard do they think a break shot is in pool. Most are amazed when I tell them that 30mph would be a great speed. There should be stats for shots made/versus shots missed. Stats for break and runs. Stats for kick saves (ala sand saves in golf). All of this should be shown to the viewer. Think of all the stats you see in an NFL or MLB telecast. People should get to know that Efren average in tournaments is .980 while Gabe Owen is .940, or whatever the stats may be.
 
watchez said:
Actually, for most of the major poker tournaments you see on TV, the chips that the players have in front of them at the start of the tournament relate 1:1 to the actual money they paid to get into the tournament. The World Series of Poker entry fee is $10k and every starts out with $10k in chips. The winner, obviously, is the one with all the chips at the end of the tournament and this total chips equals the total prize fund for the tournament. The weekly tournament at your local casino with a $150 buy in is run differently as there is no correlation between the chips and risk put up by the players.
That is correct... but the point that I believe that was being made is... 1st Place prize money is NOT the total sum of all the chips... but likely more like a 1/3 - 1/2 of the total value of the chips... since many players will place in the money and will be paid from the same prize pool. Thus, when an announcer says that player so-n-so bets $2.5M, he/she really isn't betting that much money... but rather a significantly lesser amount as it relates to the amount of money they will actually win.

For instance... in the final hand between the last two players, one could go all-in and push his $2.5M worth of chips into the pot... but in reality, he/she is actually betting the pay-out difference between 1st Place and 2nd Place... and let's say that difference is $350,000 (assume that 1st Place pays $1M and 2nd Place pays $650k)... so in reality, he/she obviously isn't betting $2.5M... but rather $2.5M worth of chips... and in reality, it's more like his/her prorated portion of the total chip value x (times) the prize differential between 1st and 2nd place ($350k in this example).
 
John Barton said:
And maybe you are right about tennis but I don't think so. Golf either. I can't imagine that some producer is telling Tiger to hold up on his tee shot for a commercial, or to let them get the framing right.

In golf broadcasts, you'll hear the announcer say "and just moments ago" all the time. Sometimes they don't even say anything, but it's a real ballet dance between the taped and live stuff. Sometimes it's only delayed five or ten seconds. So in that regard, you are right that there is no commercial interference.

There are however pace of play penalties and other time restrictions that have been added to the rules since tournaments have been broadcast.

One of the reasons golf works well for advertisers is the fact that towards the end of the tournament, when the drama really gets going, there are fewer and fewer players on the course allowing for more advertising space at the most exciting time. This is just lucky because golf tournaments have used the same format well before television was invented.
 
John Barton said:
I just finished watching a bass fishing tournament. For an hour they kept switching between boats to show the fishermen pulling fish out of the water. The contestant were all decked out with logos like Nascar drivers, the had "cap cams". Each time a fish got pulled out there was a computer graphic in 3d of the brand and shape of the lure used.

At the end of the show the fishermen all got on stage to present their fish for weighing. There was a screaming crowd of about 500 or so. They cheered for every fish. First prize was $200,000, 2cnd was $100,000.

What chance does pool have in a climate where fishing tournaments have HUGE corporate sponsorship from the event on down to the participants?

You know why, POOL itself is not mainstream. Yamaha, Mercury, Coleman and many others whose logos were all over the place at the fishing tournament are household names. People who don't fish know what those companies do and have used the equipment they make at one time or another in their life.

Ask casual viewers of a pool match who the sponsors are? Blank stares all around. At the fishing thing it was obvious that the Logos were attached to things that are useful to the average viewers.

Just once I'd like to see a 3d shot of the player's cues on a televised billiard match. Maybe that would entice more sponsors to step up and be a part of pool.
Billiards is such a beautiful game it's a crying shame. I love fishing but cmon pllleeeaaase!!! Philw
 
Fleece3 said:
I do agree with you that pool has no shot. However, I believe that the reason we can not get MAJOR sponsors is because of the gambling/hustling aspect. You can even see it here, take ANY major tournament, there will be a couple of posts regarding the tournament itself. Then there will be 3 to 4 times as many posts regarding after hours 'ACTION'. If you were a major corporation would you want you brand name associated with such an image? Pool itself is a very elegant, elite sport (a home table, let alone a home large enough to have a home table, is not cheap). However, until we are ready to let go of the image of Paul Newman in the Hustler, and allow our image to grow, we will forever stand still while the world expands around us.

After all, have you ever heard of Tiger playing Phil for 10 grand on the back 9?
Then how do you explain the success of poker. It's on every channel. I'll wait for your reply. Philw
 
JAM said:
My take on it is that the gambling/hustling aspect of pool is where it seems to shine here in America. When "The Color of Money" movie came out in 1986, pool's popularity surged upward.

Poker is pure gambling, and though it's hard for me to accept the fact that poker is a sport, it is accepted by mainstream America. It's on several TV stations 24/7 now, and there are non-poker industry sponsors paying big bucks to have their names associated with poker.

Gambling seems to have taken America on by surprise in recent times. Internet poker sites are booming. People tune into TV stations and watch the so-called "poker pros" competing for tournaments around the world.

I do not know for how long poker will be popular, but I can't see its popularity fading at any time soon.

If pool could be presented on a platform to attract mainstream America, which in these times can only be had via TV, then and only then will curious onlookers bite. Currently, pool on TV just doesn't seem to grab folks in. I know some pro pool players who can't watch pool on TV because it doesn't capture their attention.

It is obvious that throwing millions of dollars into pool tournaments will not work, as evidenced by several IPT events. Nobody outside of the existing American pool culture seemed to take notice.

So my theory is that pool must be presented in a completely different way than it is being done today. Pool players dressed in three-piece suits competing in fancy ballrooms will not work. Today, pool players on TV show less emotion than Buckingham Guards. It's like they're just going through the motions, executing shots. Mainstream America doesn't understand why a triple-bank shot in the corner pocket is brilliant. That's the biggest problem, IMHO.

In sum, I think the gambling/hustling aspect of American pool is exactly what needs to come forth. If American society accepts poker, enjoys watching it on TV, seeing the poker pros chatting it up with each other, dressed in their shorts and baseball caps, then maybe pool should follow this route. It is obvious that all other avenues have been tried and failed. It's time for something new.

JAM

Jam,

You have made some pretty astute observations, imo. Although I agree with you on the gambling/reality aspect, that this could ultimately "sell" to a viewing public, sadly the sponsors do NOT.

Up until recently, the World Summit of Pool was an annual event held in NYC. A few years ago, the event was held in Grand Central Station in the city and was sponsored by a company out of the pool industry, Amber Rock beer (michelob?). The speculation around this new partnership created a national buzz within the pool industry. Pool had finally broken through with "beer", the drink of choice in every bar and poolhall in the country. The partnership of beer and pool has long been thought of as the "natural" marriage with regards to sponsorship.

To the UPA's credit, and after much cajoling, the deal was signed and the event was ultimately broadcast on ESPN.

Want to know what happened?

The beer sponsor had signed up a bit reluctantly, very much aware of the seedier side of the game. But they took a chance. And of course, pool once again, shot itself in the foot.

The sponsors were on hand at the event. Some of the companies representatives even came "undercover". What they witnessed, much to their disgust, and ultimately the reason why they have withdrawn from future sponsorship, was the tournament director, at a booth, in between matches, and in plain sight, making book on the very matches he was "directing" AND "officiating". And that was the end of beer.

How any sports organization, or tournament, can allow that, along with callcuttas, savers and the occasinal player throwing a temper tantrum and unscrewing mid match, is beyond me. Main stream sponsors are aware of the baggage that comes along with this game, and are afraid to "gamble" on it.

Could you imagine, a player reaching the finals of a telivised event, getting a bad roll, or call, and mucking the balls and quitting? Apparently, the sponsors can.

As far as the main difference between poker and pool goes, once learned, even an amatuer poker player can enter an event and beat any pro, at any time. The regular "Joe" can sit at home watching poker and tell themselves, I can do this, and go enter an event and even win. Pool on the other hand, is very different. The average player watches the game on TV, sees how "easy" it looks, goes to a bar or pool room, and cant make 3 balls. They get frustrated, and the dream is over.

Pool in the US is surely in trouble. The UPA is no longer a mens tour, rather an organization that now puts on 2 or 3 events a year. Effectively, there is no national mens pro tour in the US. sad but true.

rg
 
cigardave said:
That is correct... but the point that I believe that was being made is... 1st Place prize money is NOT the total sum of all the chips... but likely more like a 1/3 - 1/2 of the total value of the chips... since many players will place in the money and will be paid from the same prize pool. Thus, when an announcer says that player so-n-so bets $2.5M, he/she really isn't betting that much money... but rather a significantly lesser amount as it relates to the amount of money they will actually win.
I think that is why i said total prize fund. Please read slower.
 
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