Pool Is One Of The Hardest Games

the year I first started playing in Columbia and St. Louis Mo.

backplaying said:
In this picture, CJ looked a lot like Jimmy Wells when he was 15. If you have a copy of the snap magazine, 89 I think, with the young guns article, look at the picture of Jimmy and this one of CJ.
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Jimmy played at a high level when he was 15, in this picture I'm probably 13 or 14 ...I started traveling and playing for money when I was 15.....that's the year I first started playing in Columbia and St. Louis Mo.

Whatever happened to him anyway?
 
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Please CJ... define a PRO event????

CJ Wiley said:
I have no opinion, it's just what Greg told me in Tunica. It's obvious that some of the best players in the world go to Louisville, however, they also go to many other places that aren't considered pro events. It is a huge tournament, but with the "buy backs" it's not the model Greg (or anyone) would choose for a Pro Event.
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I'd love to hear this one. What IS a pro event.. There hasn't been an official pro tour in over a decade, so please inform us what you think constitutes a pro event????

Jaden

In my mind, if you have to place higher than 10 or more players capable of beating world class players to cash, THAT is a pro LEVEL event.
 
DCC - it's an "Open" event, not a "Pro" event

Jaden said:
I'd love to hear this one. What IS a pro event.. There hasn't been an official pro tour in over a decade, so please inform us what you think constitutes a pro event????

Jaden

In my mind, if you have to place higher than 10 or more players capable of beating world class players to cash, THAT is a pro LEVEL event.
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The US OPEN 9 Ball is a Pro Event.

If the promoter/producer of an event says it's not pro I have to believe him.....it's not any "knock" against DCC, it's an "Open" event, not a "Pro" event. I would say 80% of the players would not be considered "Pro" caliber.....although you're right, there's not many people making a living playing pool these days. I hear that's going to change in a big way this year.....only time will tell. ;)
 
CJ Wiley said:
Jimmy played at a high level when he was 15, in this picture I'm probably 13 or 14 ...I started traveling and playing for money when I was 15.....that's the year I first started playing in Columbia and St. Louis Mo.

Whatever happened to him anyway?
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Didn't you just say you ran back to back 5 packs at 15 or was I seeing things


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JB Cases said:
Love how you SELECTIVELY choose to take things out of context. Not worth explaining it to you again. If we had a real debate for money there is not enough weight I could give you to make it a fair contest.
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Now that is hilarious. You're bringing a rubber knife to a gun fight in a battle of wits. Thats like you thinking you are world class in case making. Were there some type of world championship, you don't even get invited. Legend in your own mind.

I can understand your remarks though. You totally contradicted yourself and couldn't accept your own screw up. Taken out of context? LMAO
 
CJ Wiley said:
The US OPEN 9 Ball is a Pro Event.

If the promoter/producer of an event says it's not pro I have to believe him.....it's not any "knock" against DCC, it's an "Open" event, not a "Pro" event. I would say 80% of the players would not be considered "Pro" caliber.....although you're right, there's not many people making a living playing pool these days. I hear that's going to change in a big way this year.....only time will tell. ;)
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US Open is also an open event.

If we really want to get down to it, then any event that would allow me to play in it, that's an open event.

The Bigfoot Challenge going on at DCC this year...that's a pro event.
 
BeiberLvr said:
US Open is also an open event.

If we really want to get down to it, then any event that would allow me to play in it, that's an open event.

The Bigfoot Challenge going on at DCC this year...that's a pro event.
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That sounds correct. Regardless, it is all semantics. If you look at the top 25 players, or even 50, DCC is a very strong field. Also, look at the top three finishers each year. Primarily top professionals.
 
World class events are just that ,, world 8B 9B.10B and when your consistently in the top 10 in these events your a world class player IMHO


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BeiberLvr said:
World events are also open events.

Unless the event is invitation only, or you have to qualify to play, it's not a pro event. Regardless of the fact that a pro usually wins.
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I don't care if the guys a trash collector if he's winning or consistently in the running to win a world championship he's a world class player
IMHO no USA events qualify


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Funny thing is I don't consider the world championship events as being legitimate in that they are the Eastern World Championships... The WPA has a mission statement that states that they exist to promote and grow pool in Europe and Asia... Notice the Chinese, Japanese and Taipei players have not won the US Open... kind of akin to Shane not winning half way across the globe....
 
The Renfro said:
Funny thing is I don't consider the world championship events as being legitimate in that they are the Eastern World Championships... The WPA has a mission statement that states that they exist to promote and grow pool in Europe and Asia... Notice the Chinese, Japanese and Taipei players have not won the US Open... kind of akin to Shane not winning half way across the globe....
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Have you noticed most of them don't come over here and play ,,


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Jaden said:
I'd love to hear this one. What IS a pro event.. There hasn't been an official pro tour in over a decade, so please inform us what you think constitutes a pro event????

Jaden

In my mind, if you have to place higher than 10 or more players capable of beating world class players to cash, THAT is a pro LEVEL event.
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I'm with you !...It is hard to tell CJ's reasoning, for wanting to call the DCC anything but a "top of the line pro event"! :confused:.. When the same 5 or 10 'world class' player's seem to rise to the top (in their respective disciplines) against the toughest fields ever assembled in pool,..what would you call it ?..."Greg and Mark's Annual 'C' Player's Tournament" ? :rolleyes:

I don't understand his logic at all, but I did notice one thing he accomplished !...In arguing his baseless point, he did
manage to slip in the fact that he ran two 5-packs, at age 15 ! (since deleted)...Ya gotta wonder what THAT had to do with ANYTHING we were discussing ?..Oh well, his buddy JB, says he's too modest to brag, so I'm sure he had his reason's ! ;)

one stroke said:
Didn't you just say you ran back to back 5 packs at 15 or was I seeing things.
......Yes,I think he realized it was a bit much,...even for him !
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Now here's something really pertinent to the thread !
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nobcitypool said:
Now that is hilarious. You're bringing a rubber knife to a gun fight in a battle of wits. Thats like you thinking you are world class in case making. Were there some type of world championship, you don't even get invited. Legend in your own mind.

I can understand your remarks though. You totally contradicted yourself and couldn't accept your own screw up. Taken out of context? LMAO
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Yes, taken out of context because HUMANS are not selectively bred as I said. Until they are then you don't have an argument. You can't draw the conclusion that what happens in animals happens in humans. It's POSSIBLE but unproven. But no one is gathering up the best tennis players and breeding them to have super tennis babies.

I would be more than willing to debate you on ANY topic that we disagree on for money in a real debate format with judges. Any time you feel froggy and want to put your money where your mouth is then let me know and we can arrange it.

You're don't understand what I did to you. I showed you that I read all sides of the issues and understand where and how they all fit together. Unlike you I consider all sides and research them to draw my own conclusion from all available information. I don't simply latch onto some dogma or conventional wisdom and rabidly defend it without any basis in fact.

Anyway, the beer's on me, we can continue this in person with alcohol to lubricate the discussion.
 
.there's nothing wrong with that.

SJDinPHX said:
I'm with you !...It is hard to tell CJ's reasoning, for wanting to call the DCC anything but a "top of the line pro event"! :confused:.. When the same 5 or 10 'world class' player's seem to rise to the top (in their respective disciplines) against the toughest fields ever assembled in pool,..what would you call it ?..."Greg and Mark's Annual 'C' Player's Tournament" ? :rolleyes:

I don't understand his logic at all, but I did notice one thing he accomplished !...In arguing his baseless point, he did
manage to slip in the fact that he ran two 5-packs, at age 15 ! (since deleted)...Ya gotta wonder what THAT had to do with ANYTHING we were discussing ?..Oh well, his buddy JB, says he's too modest to brag, so I'm sure he had his reason's ! ;)

Now here's something really pertinent to the thread !
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Greg Sullivan (the promoter of DCC) has never even considered the Derby City Classic a Pro Event........fyi

I would think the 10' division is the closest event at DCC to be considered "Pro".
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I have no opinion, it's just what Greg told me in Tunica. It's obvious that some of the best players in the world go to Louisville, however, they also go to many other places that aren't considered pro events. It is a huge tournament, but with the "buy backs" it's not the model Greg (or anyone) would choose for a Pro Event.
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If the promoter/producer of an event says it's not pro I have to believe him.....it's not any "knock" against DCC, it's an "Open" event, not a "Pro" event. I would say 80% of the players would not be considered "Pro" caliber.....although you're right, there's not many people making a living playing pool these days. I hear that's going to change in a big way this year.....only time will tell.
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Again, I have no opinion on the status of DCC.....I was curious why the promoter never considered it a "Pro Event"......it makes no difference to me, I would think it's a huge open event with several pros playing in it.....there's nothing wrong with that.
 
JB Cases said:
Yes, taken out of context because HUMANS are not selectively bred as I said. Until they are then you don't have an argument. You can't draw the conclusion that what happens in animals happens in humans. It's POSSIBLE but unproven. But no one is gathering up the best tennis players and breeding them to have super tennis babies.

I would be more than willing to debate you on ANY topic that we disagree on for money in a real debate format with judges. Any time you feel froggy and want to put your money where your mouth is then let me know and we can arrange it.

You're don't understand what I did to you. I showed you that I read all sides of the issues and understand where and how they all fit together. Unlike you I consider all sides and research them to draw my own conclusion from all available information. I don't simply latch onto some dogma or conventional wisdom and rabidly defend it without any basis in fact.

Anyway, the beer's on me, we can continue this in person with alcohol to lubricate the discussion.
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You introduced the fox breeding into the "debate", not I. In other words, you put it into context. Were it irrelevant to the debate, why would you have introduced it? Very hypocritical of you, when I pointed out how this was in direct conflict with your theory that it was then deemed to be taken out of context. The fact that you're attempting to spin your way out of your dick step conclusively proves the futility of attempting to have any intelligent discourse with you.

Your estimation of your debating ability in on par with your self evaluation of your standing in the leather working profession.
 
JB Cases said:
Yes, taken out of context because HUMANS are not selectively bred as I said. Until they are then you don't have an argument. You can't draw the conclusion that what happens in animals happens in humans. It's POSSIBLE but unproven. But no one is gathering up the best tennis players and breeding them to have super tennis babies.

I would be more than willing to debate you on ANY topic that we disagree on for money in a real debate format with judges. Any time you feel froggy and want to put your money where your mouth is then let me know and we can arrange it.

You're don't understand what I did to you. I showed you that I read all sides of the issues and understand where and how they all fit together. Unlike you I consider all sides and research them to draw my own conclusion from all available information. I don't simply latch onto some dogma or conventional wisdom and rabidly defend it without any basis in fact.

Anyway, the beer's on me, we can continue this in person with alcohol to lubricate the discussion.
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Do you know why Jimmie The Greek was fired ,,,
Like I said I can find something to support almost any argument again Global Warming or Hoax. ,,,
Common sense has to be used at some point and in this case common sense will tell you in most cases hard work and training does not always produce world class
Like I said Secretariat was just simply a more gifted horse training had nothing to so with it .,,
Yes because pool does not require a lot off physical ability the field is closer together but some still have better traits than others regardless of what the geeks want you to believe


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CJ Wiley said:
Again, I have no opinion on the status of DCC.....I was curious why the promoter never considered it a "Pro Event"......it makes no difference to me, I would think it's a huge open event with several pros playing in it.....there's nothing wrong with that.
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Several? Did you mean several dozen?
 
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