Pool League territory issues

sharandrew

sharandrew

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APA and VNEA have some type of league operator territory regulations. Other National league associations currently nebulous rules.

Should there be any rules to protect league operators from territorial encroachment, recruiting existing league players and taking over existing league locations, and if so what should be implemented?


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I know that the leagues control their own LO's with regard to territory, but I don't know how they could be expected to control another league's operators.

Other leagues recruiting players is just business. The players will dictate who stays and who doesn't.
 
If you are referring to wether or not one league can recruit/steal players from another, the answer is no. I think that several organizations should be allowed to compete for the players. It's the American way. Also, some players like myself, prefer certain leagues over others for various reasons.
 
Within leagues, the LOs have agreements/contracts with the national offices.

Between leagues - i.e. an APA league trying to snag VNEA players in the same area - that's normal competition, plain and simple.

Look at it from a fast food perspective - McDonalds and Burger King have franchises. McD's isn't going to let another McD's open up too close, owned by a different franchisee - but they'll happily franchise a new McD's next to a Burger King, and compete for the area's business.
 
I'm kind of glad you posted this. First, I don't think there should be any restrictions on leagues competing with each other. They all seem to have their good points and their drawbacks. Secondly, I think the BCA needs to do more in our area (not sure about Portland, but Clark county) to promote their league. I think there are a lot of APA players that would switch to BCA if it was promoted a bit more agressively and the LOs put a little more effort into helping teams get started. I've contacted you and Cindy Doty a few times over the past couple of years (still pretty interested in playing BCA) but have yet to get enough information to get started playing.
To me, it's like any other business. Your customers will try your product and see if they like it (as well as your competitors'). If they do like it, they'll recommend it to their friends. If they don't like it as well as a competitor's product, they'll stick with your competition unless you can do something to change your product to make it more appealing to them. If they can't find your product or can't get the information about your product that will enable them to make a buying decision, then in all likelihood they will settle for an inferior product from someone else that is willing to step up and show them their product. A consumer is much more likely to buy a product from someone who aggressively sells than from someone who waits for customers to come to them. And, if a customer knocks on your door asking for information about your product, chances are they are already sold on it and just need to be closed, not ignored.
Getting back to the topic at hand, I don't think it's a good idea for league operators working for the same organization to cut each other's throats for business. However, for representatives of different leagues, all is and should be fair. "Stealing" locations or players from a competing league(s) should be a common practice if the LOs are agressively selling their product.
 
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.[/QUOTE]I don't think it's a good idea for league operators working for the same organization to cut each other's throats for business. However, for representatives of different leagues, all is and should be fair. "Stealing" locations or players from a competing league(s) should be a common practice if the LOs are agressively selling their product.[/QUOTE]

I agree with this..... and think some of the league operators in the same association should not be undermining others who work for the same association. It causes a poor working relationship. I agree operators from another association is a totally different story
 
bsmutz said:
I'm kind of glad you posted this. First, I don't think there should be any restrictions on leagues competing with each other. They all seem to have their good points and their drawbacks. Secondly, I think the BCA needs to do more in our area (not sure about Portland, but Clark county) to promote their league. I think there are a lot of APA players that would switch to BCA if it was promoted a bit more agressively and the LOs put a little more effort into helping teams get started. I've contacted you and Cindy Doty a few times over the past couple of years (still pretty interested in playing BCA) but have yet to get enough information to get started playing.
To me, it's like any other business. Your customers will try your product and see if they like it (as well as your competitors'). If they do like it, they'll recommend it to their friends. If they don't like it as well as a competitor's product, they'll stick with your competition unless you can do something to change your product to make it more appealing to them. If they can't find your product or can't get the information about your product that will enable them to make a buying decision, then in all likelihood they will settle for an inferior product from someone else that is willing to step up and show them their product. A consumer is much more likely to buy a product from someone who aggressively sells than from someone who waits for customers to come to them. And, if a customer knocks on your door asking for information about your product, chances are they are already sold on it and just need to be closed, not ignored.
Getting back to the topic at hand, I don't think it's a good idea for league operators working for the same organization to cut each other's throats for business. However, for representatives of different leagues, all is and should be fair. "Stealing" locations or players from a competing league(s) should be a common practice if the LOs are agressively selling their product.
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I was going to respond; however, it is difficult to say it better than you already did. Great post!
 
quality

sharandrew said:
How do you avoid a turf war or do you??
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You can't avoid a turf war if a competing league wants to go head to head but the best way to discourage turf battles is to offer a top quality product. If the competition knows that they will have to work very hard just to match you and can't see how they can surpass you, they rarely will butt heads with you. Too much effort for too little chance of return. If they see things that they think they can do better . . . .

Hu
 
sharandrew asked

"Should there be any rules to protect league operators from territorial encroachment, recruiting existing league players and taking over existing league locations, and if so what should be implemented?"

Absolutely NOT. no protection..... Why on earth should one pool league be protected over another?

If you have a better product, sell it. That is the American way, unless the government gets involved... and I seriously doubt that Pool leagues will be included in govermental control.
 
It's kind of funny the way it was worded ... "should there be a rule against territorial encroachment." Try to visualize this:

"I've heard you're with the BCA and you've been coming around trying to poach our VNEA players"

"Yeah, what if I am?"

"Well, you can't. See, we made a rule against it. It's right in the VNEA handbook just after the one-foot-on-the-floor rule."

"oh, my mistake. I'll abide by the VNEA rules against encroachment and take my business elsewhere."

alternately:
"oh, that's funny, the BCA has a rule in the dues section that says you can be sanctioned 25 dollars per session for playing in a different league.

"oh yeah, well my rulebook says that it's not a foul to HIT COMPETING L.O.s in the FACE!"
 
I thinks that the same associations members like two BCAPL leagues is what iam most concerned about, not two different association like VNEA and BCAPL competing
 
To weigh in on what has been said:

If you are both with the same overall contingent, the league itself should set clear guidelines and make sure there is no competition...

Competition between leagues is great....they work to refine and offer the best product possible to the end consumer, and pool players reap the benefits....

The league that offers the best program for both players and room owners should get the most business.....
 
Many League operators who do this league thing basically get no compensation for all the work they do. The rewards are very minimal. If they get anying out of it, its the fact they see them selfs doing something that truely is benificial.

It can be discouraging that a league operator who you have worked with doesn't try to work with you. The lack of cooperation is a "Slap in the face" to those who do cooperate.
 
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bsmutz said:
I'm kind of glad you posted this. First, I don't think there should be any restrictions on leagues competing with each other. They all seem to have their good points and their drawbacks. Secondly, I think the BCA needs to do more in our area (not sure about Portland, but Clark county) to promote their league. I think there are a lot of APA players that would switch to BCA if it was promoted a bit more agressively and the LOs put a little more effort into helping teams get started. I've contacted you and Cindy Doty a few times over the past couple of years (still pretty interested in playing BCA) but have yet to get enough information to get started playing.
To me, it's like any other business. Your customers will try your product and see if they like it (as well as your competitors'). If they do like it, they'll recommend it to their friends. If they don't like it as well as a competitor's product, they'll stick with your competition unless you can do something to change your product to make it more appealing to them. If they can't find your product or can't get the information about your product that will enable them to make a buying decision, then in all likelihood they will settle for an inferior product from someone else that is willing to step up and show them their product. A consumer is much more likely to buy a product from someone who aggressively sells than from someone who waits for customers to come to them. And, if a customer knocks on your door asking for information about your product, chances are they are already sold on it and just need to be closed, not ignored.
Getting back to the topic at hand, I don't think it's a good idea for league operators working for the same organization to cut each other's throats for business. However, for representatives of different leagues, all is and should be fair. "Stealing" locations or players from a competing league(s) should be a common practice if the LOs are agressively selling their product.
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Put some line spaces between paragraphs. Call it an act of courtesy.

Sometimes it is not the content as much as the presentation of it that
counts.

And, I can almost surmise what type of Pool player someone is, by the way they post. Not quite, but almost .... :rolleyes:
 
snaps: lol I hope you mean "the people with the worst posting skills are the best" because a lot of the pros on here don't bother with spaces after paragraphs (or even between sentences), nevermind spelling.
 
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