Pool needs better characters

WVShootist

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So watching old pool, those pros looked like used car salesmen. They would drink alcohol while playing, trash talk, take risky shots. There was something there beyond just the game that made it fun to watch. I've been watching 2016/2017 tournaments the past few nights and these guys show zero emotion, take computer-esque shots, etc. They're great players of course but I find nothing intetesting about them outside of their playing abilities. I'm just finding it difficult to watch.

It puts me in mind of MMA. UFC was 1,000 times more interesting when you had guys beating blood out of each other instead of just going to the ground and trying to get holds and chokes. Is it just me, or does it seem like a lot of the heart in pool is gone?

And if not, are there any current pros I should check out that make watching it more entertaining?
 
But golfers are super boring too, much more so than pool players, and it gets watched like nobody's business.

It's not the characters, we've actually got some really good characters in my opinion. The thing that kills pool is you ain't going nowhere no matter what you do. It's a total waste of time. If you're like the best golfer in Kentucky, you'll have a future as a club pro or something, even if you can't make it on tour. Same deal but you're a pool player and it's a straight road to nowhere. You ain't got nothin and there's zip in the horizon, and nobody gives a crap about you or how good you can play.
 
I don't want to see a room full of pretty boy floyds.

So watching old pool, those pros looked like used car salesmen. They would drink alcohol while playing, trash talk, take risky shots. There was something there beyond just the game that made it fun to watch. I've been watching 2016/2017 tournaments the past few nights and these guys show zero emotion, take computer-esque shots, etc. They're great players of course but I find nothing intetesting about them outside of their playing abilities. I'm just finding it difficult to watch.

It puts me in mind of MMA. UFC was 1,000 times more interesting when you had guys beating blood out of each other instead of just going to the ground and trying to get holds and chokes. Is it just me, or does it seem like a lot of the heart in pool is gone?

And if not, are there any current pros I should check out that make watching it more entertaining?
 
But golfers are super boring too, much more so than pool players, and it gets watched like nobody's business.

It's not the characters, we've actually got some really good characters in my opinion. The thing that kills pool is you ain't going nowhere no matter what you do. It's a total waste of time. If you're like the best golfer in Kentucky, you'll have a future as a club pro or something, even if you can't make it on tour. Same deal but you're a pool player and it's a straight road to nowhere. You ain't got nothin and there's zip in the horizon, and nobody gives a crap about you or how good you can play.


I guess that's true. I worked at a country club for a while as a kid, the club pro showed up at like 10 or 11am in a new BMW and just stood around shaking hands with people, then went into his office and watched tv. Lol
 
I guess that's true. I worked at a country club for a while as a kid, the club pro showed up at like 10 or 11am in a new BMW and just stood around shaking hands with people, then went into his office and watched tv. Lol
You've just described my dream job. :)
 
Mike Panozzo, publisher for Billiards Digest Magazine, had some good advice (IMO) that would help make the game more interesting at the pro level. He was specifically referring to The World Cup of Pool hosted/aired by Matchroom. Mike suggests to quit reinventing rules in order to make it more difficult for a player to get a shot/runout (like racking 9ball with the 9 on the spot instead of the 1). He says "make the pockets tight and the slate shelf deep".

I agree with him. I find it very boring to watch a pro match and see balls hitting the rail several inches from the pocket and wobbling into the hole (like a cut to the corner where the OB is just a few inches off the rail). The same shot on my table would hang up every time.

Years ago it was believed that in order to make the game more interesting for television, it should be fast and exciting -- 9ball on loose tables fit that requirement just fine. But there are 2 types of viewers -- pool players and non-pool players. Pool players appreciate the display of pro skills, like a perfectly executed safety, a well-planned runout, etc... We like to see the best players battling it out. Watching this on loose tables, however, quickly becomes boring, because many of us could accomplish the same results. For the non-pool player it still holds a little excitement because they have no idea whether or not the pro players are really being challenged as far as pocketing balls. But even then, after watching for a half hour or more with no misses from either player, they change the channel. Like watching a Nascar race, many are content to just watch the cars struggle for position, while many others are looking for some sort of action, some bumping, wall scraping, fender benders, etc....to make it exciting.

I watch a lot of golf on TV. I'm not a great golfer, and I'm not terrible. I shoot in the 80's on easy courses and high 90's on pro level courses. If pro golf tournaments were played on short easy courses, where every player could shoot a score in the 60's with ease, I would find it boring to watch. Instead of reinventing golf rules to make the game more challenging, bunkers and trees, water hazards and narrow doglegged fairways are introduced. Pool should be done the same way, not by adding obstructions/obstacles, but by requiring more precision to be needed on the pocket end in order to be able to run out.

I think making the tables more challenging would also bring out a little color in the personalities of many players, more emotional responses from those that always seem so machine-like.
 
Mike Panozzo, publisher for Billiards Digest Magazine, had some good advice (IMO) that would help make the game more interesting at the pro level. He was specifically referring to The World Cup of Pool hosted/aired by Matchroom. Mike suggests to quit reinventing rules in order to make it more difficult for a player to get a shot/runout (like racking 9ball with the 9 on the spot instead of the 1). He says "make the pockets tight and the slate shelf deep".

I agree with him. I find it very boring to watch a pro match and see balls hitting the rail several inches from the pocket and wobbling into the hole (like a cut to the corner where the OB is just a few inches off the rail). The same shot on my table would hang up every time.

Years ago it was believed that in order to make the game more interesting for television, it should be fast and exciting -- 9ball on loose tables fit that requirement just fine. But there are 2 types of viewers -- pool players and non-pool players. Pool players appreciate the display of pro skills, like a perfectly executed safety, a well-planned runout, etc... We like to see the best players battling it out. Watching this on loose tables, however, quickly becomes boring, because many of us could accomplish the same results. For the non-pool player it still holds a little excitement because they have no idea whether or not the pro players are really being challenged as far as pocketing balls. But even then, after watching for a half hour or more with no misses from either player, they change the channel. Like watching a Nascar race, many are content to just watch the cars struggle for position, while many others are looking for some sort of action, some bumping, wall scraping, fender benders, etc....to make it exciting.

I watch a lot of golf on TV. I'm not a great golfer, and I'm not terrible. I shoot in the 80's on easy courses and high 90's on pro level courses. If pro golf tournaments were played on short easy courses, where every player could shoot a score in the 60's with ease, I would find it boring to watch. Instead of reinventing golf rules to make the game more challenging, bunkers and trees, water hazards and narrow doglegged fairways are introduced. Pool should be done the same way, not by adding obstructions/obstacles, but by requiring more precision to be needed on the pocket end in order to be able to run out.

I think making the tables more challenging would also bring out a little color in the personalities of many players, more emotional responses from those that always seem so machine-like.

I'm pretty accomplished at miniature golf. LOL All of that is true, or find another Jeanette Lee. She was both hot and good, which made for good television. I don't know, just seems so systematic anymore. I miss the big personalities personally.
 
So watching old pool, those pros looked like used car salesmen. They would drink alcohol while playing, trash talk, take risky shots. There was something there beyond just the game that made it fun to watch. I've been watching 2016/2017 tournaments the past few nights and these guys show zero emotion, take computer-esque shots, etc. They're great players of course but I find nothing intetesting about them outside of their playing abilities. I'm just finding it difficult to watch.

It puts me in mind of MMA. UFC was 1,000 times more interesting when you had guys beating blood out of each other instead of just going to the ground and trying to get holds and chokes. Is it just me, or does it seem like a lot of the heart in pool is gone?

And if not, are there any current pros I should check out that make watching it more entertaining?

Go to a one pocket . org tournament, it's just as you describe. Houston this fall with the over 65 gang, and it'll take ya too that place you and many miss.
 
Clearly the best matches to watch are in the Mosconi Cup.You need a single table packed room of rowdy crowds watching short pressure packed races.That is the closet thing we have to being mainstream marketable.
 
But golfers are super boring too, much more so than pool players, and it gets watched like nobody's business.

It's not the characters, we've actually got some really good characters in my opinion. The thing that kills pool is you ain't going nowhere no matter what you do. It's a total waste of time. If you're like the best golfer in Kentucky, you'll have a future as a club pro or something, even if you can't make it on tour. Same deal but you're a pool player and it's a straight road to nowhere. You ain't got nothin and there's zip in the horizon, and nobody gives a crap about you or how good you can play.

I think that fans of Golf would disagree with you about it being boring to watch. Why would so many fans come out and melt for hours in 100 degree weather, to watch such a boring game?

I agree with the comments you made about pool. Very sad, but very true. So few pool fans out there, when comparing to the amount of Golf fans for example.
 
I think that fans of Golf would disagree with you about it being boring to watch. Why would so many fans come out and melt for hours in 100 degree weather, to watch such a boring game?

I agree with the comments you made about pool. Very sad, but very true. So few pool fans out there, when comparing to the amount of Golf fans for example.

I said golfers are boring, not golf. And, they are absolutely boring. I could not think of a more boring subset of people actually.

Look, pool is a zero sum game. Orcollo wins 10 grand, but then svb would of had to have lost ten grand. Nothing happened. I know we're not sophisticated enough to think in investment terms, but this is a situation that is a total waste of time in the long run. Nobody is getting anywhere in theory; and oh, what a surprise, when we look at most pool players in their 60's, they do in fact have nothing (i.e. Didn't get anywhere). Even tournaments are zero sum games to a large extent.

We've got to get out of that. Characters could be one way to do this, as the op has noted. But, I'd agree with him, pool seems to be going in the opposite direction. There are quite a few mechanical Hohman type machine players out there. I think Alex is one of the few who actually knows this, and plays it up purposefully. I really don't think that's his true personality much of the time.
 
One-foul BIH killed the entertainment in 9-ball and 10-ball.

When the game was played with two-shot push out, it was much more fun to watch.

The game is too sterile for me. Nobody takes chances anymore because the penalty is too high if you make a simple mistake. With the two-foul rules, players would go for flyers and difficult shots and position because they knew they could push out if they got hooked or out of line. Nobody will go for those shots today because they won't take the chance of giving up BIH too easily.

Ask any of the old players you want and see what they tell you. Efren, CJ, McCready, Buddy Hall, Jose Parica, etc., etc. They will all tell you the same thing.

The game had a lot more "color" when it wasn't played with such "rigidity". The constant rule changes, faster cloth, bouncier rails, and jump sticks have turned what was once "pool" into pachinko.

On another subject, I don't think pool is ever going to grow the way it is going these days. I was watching the APA league play today for several hours and I never saw so many people with LD shafts, jump cues, break cues, racking templates, gloves, telescopic bridges, and all kinds of shit and they were Level 2s and 3s. And to top it off, they were 2s and 3s a few years ago when I first saw them play.

I, honestly, don't know how a person can remain a 2 or 3 for years and years. I asked a few of the players if the APA league ever gave, or offered, them lessons and I was told "no". How in the hell can the APA take $25 a night off these players and never give them shit in return, except for a plastic trophy at the end of the season if they are lucky enough to place?
 
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Lessons for Level 2-3's?
That would be as crazy as giving free lessons to beginners at your local pool room.
Or worse yet.....Free lessons for youth players on Saturday mornings!
Along with half rate table time when an Adult is accompanied by a Youth. Ludicrous, I Say!

Who wants or needs a bunch of noobies coming into our pool room and wanting to start playing pool on a regular basis?

Next thing is you'll be suggesting that Pool Rooms start having regular weekly Meetups on Meetup.com to bring casual players in on slow nights!

If you're going to do that you might as well have Dr. Billiards Traveling Trick Shot Show featuring Venom setup in your local mall to show Pool to the masses!

You people are crazy to want to do these things!
 
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