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LOL! :grin-square:
I think that this girl here would be more in line with what some pool enthusiasts -- thank God, not all -- desire to see on TV playing pool.
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I'm 34 years old. I'm the guy in the youtube video in my signature line shooting some mediocre wing shots.
So here's the thing: If Battle of the sexes matches featuring Shanelle Lorraine and others winning a match against a male pro with the crowd going nuts makes for better television than Corr vs Fisher or Archer vs Souquet then all of a sudden pool is more popular and all of the pros benefit because their would be more prize money due to pool's increased popularity and advertising dollars.
Do I need to explain why battle of the sexes match would get more viewers because I will if you need me to.
I kind of figured as such. Be careful, your hormones are showing! :wink:
Luxury said:
I really believe with all my heart that there are many female pool players who might feel the same way as you do but for quite the opposite reason(s).
A wonderful vision, dream.
Oh I definitely have hormones. Ask my 19 year old girlfriend lol. But I've also had a very successful career in sales and I have a knack for knowing what people want.
I don't think that very many people would say that more matches with men vs women on tv would be a bad idea. Especially if said women happened to be attractive.
It seems as if there are a few people up right now that do think it's a bad idea and I'm okay with that. I just can't wait to see Alex Pagulyan vs Souquet today. If anyone on the good action list pms me for a sweat bet on this I like Souquet. I'm sure he is the slight dog but I really like him.
$50 to be paypaled today. Must pm me soon as I'm going to bed and we must both confirm the details via pm. I"m on the good action list btw.
I don't think that very many people would say that more matches with men vs women on tv would be a bad idea. Especially if said women happened to be attractive.
It seems as if there are a few people up right now that do think it's a bad idea and I'm okay with that. I just can't wait to see Alex Pagulyan vs Souquet today. If anyone on the good action list pms me for a sweat bet on this I like Souquet. I'm sure he is the slight dog but I really like him.
$50 to be paypaled today. Must pm me soon as I'm going to bed and we must both confirm the details via pm. I"m on the good action list btw.
I'd pay to see this 83-year-old, Irene Hoffman, win the 2008 Oldlympics!
Old/young, male/female, Filipino/American, we're all members of the Tribal Nation of Pool. I would rather enjoy the game, much more than enjoy the scenery while watching the game! :wink:
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I think its great to try and find different ways to mae the sport more exciting and bring more people into the pool world. I do have a couple of things that won't go down well. Paying the top female, so she would be double dipping? What is SVB said hey how come I finished better than her and she is getting a bonus for making the last 32? Taking $$ out of a prize fund to pay a bonust to someone who came in 32nd place will not go down too well.
Secondly the whole get it on ESPN thing. You have to understand a little more about how that all works, I mean they don't just say "Oh thats sounds like fun, lets show it on TV" They Charge in the region of $60k per day for production, unless you have the viewers for them to be able to sell ad space. Like NFL, Golf etc. Right now pool is just a filler to them.
However, I think its great to brainstorm and like someone said you have to have the concept and then look at it from all angles and figure out why it wont work and what can be done to make it work. So nothing against your idea luxury just needs tweeking.
Oh Last thing, Luxury. Do you remember when I beat your A$$ up in tacoma at 9-ball?
Secondly the whole get it on ESPN thing. You have to understand a little more about how that all works, I mean they don't just say "Oh thats sounds like fun, lets show it on TV" They Charge in the region of $60k per day for production, unless you have the viewers for them to be able to sell ad space. Like NFL, Golf etc. Right now pool is just a filler to them.
However, I think its great to brainstorm and like someone said you have to have the concept and then look at it from all angles and figure out why it wont work and what can be done to make it work. So nothing against your idea luxury just needs tweeking.
Oh Last thing, Luxury. Do you remember when I beat your A$$ up in tacoma at 9-ball?
Mac ... That may be true in some respect but only until some women broke through the barrier to win a top tournament with men players, and then they would be taken more seriously. Surely, you know, as a man, that sex always sells, no matter what. Most women players would find little success playing in mostly a man's tournament. Only a top echelon woman player would find some success, and they would struggle to do that. Karen Corr has found some success playing in mostly a man's tournament, where Monica Webb has not to date. The women have to prove themselves very much like any rising player has to beat someone important to go up a notch on the ladder. Look how much respect has gone up for Yu Ram Cha by beating SVB one time.
I think that if higher standards are set for women players, and they would be to play in men's tournament, that a few would rise to the challenge, and the basic breakthrough would be good for the sport overall. Women's tournaments in the past years were almost jokes, as most of the players were only low to middle B players, with only 1 or 2 being A level or higher.
From my own experience, I played Dorothy (Dottie) White back in the early 70's on a 9 footer, races to 7 for $100 a set. I won $400 from her, and I probably could have given her the 7.
Just as a footnote though, sometimes being a novelty isn't all bad, it's done alright for Madonna and the rock group Kiss.
I think its great to try and find different ways to mae the sport more exciting and bring more people into the pool world. I do have a couple of things that won't go down well. Paying the top female, so she would be double dipping? What is SVB said hey how come I finished better than her and she is getting a bonus for making the last 32? Taking $$ out of a prize fund to pay a bonust to someone who came in 32nd place will not go down too well.
Secondly the whole get it on ESPN thing. You have to understand a little more about how that all works, I mean they don't just say "Oh thats sounds like fun, lets show it on TV" They Charge in the region of $60k per day for production, unless you have the viewers for them to be able to sell ad space. Like NFL, Golf etc. Right now pool is just a filler to them.
However, I think its great to brainstorm and like someone said you have to have the concept and then look at it from all angles and figure out why it wont work and what can be done to make it work. So nothing against your idea luxury just needs tweeking.
Oh Last thing, Luxury. Do you remember when I beat your A$$ up in tacoma at 9-ball?
Honestly Mark your post has merit but the Sport of Pool will never IMHO be like Golf, or NASCAR with Corporate America lining up to offer sponsorship until many things change in Pool. IMHO Pool will only get Television coverage when Sponsor Pony Up MONEY to Sponsor Pool.
ESPN, ABC, FOX, etc. will only spend their dollars to cover a Sport if they have Sponsors Paying LARGE SUMS of Money to Offset their Costs, and Make a Profit. It is all about Dollar & Cents.
Personally I think Pool is lacking an audience of people with the HIGH CREDIT SCORES, and EXTRA INCOME to SPEND on POTENTIAL SPONSORS PRODUCTS. The Bean Counters in Corporate America who decide where to spend advertising dollars know the numbers.
That is why as I said say Golf, and NASCAR get so much TV coverage it is the people who follow these sports have the money to spend on the product being advertise when Golf & NASCAR are on TV.
Honestly the last time I was up in Las Vegas at the BCA 8 Ball Event I did not see any advertising banner for say BEER, Tobacco, or Consumer Product that Pool Player BUY. I am sure the people at the BCA have tried to get corporate america on board but as of this moment in time corporate america has not decided to support pool.
Here in the Valley of the Sun I would say 95% of the places people play pool serve alcohol, an I see zero supports, or sponsorship from the alcohol industry in local pool, but the alcohol industry sure sells a lot of it product to pool placers. I would also say Anheisher Busch products is in just about ever place that has a pool table, and severs beer. Anheisher Busch occasional put up a sign say to join and Pool league or something, but is not adding any money, or prizes to the local pool events.
I find it odd that the beer companies do not support pool more. Seeing as how on certain league nights around here, they wouldn't be selling ANY beer if those people weren't in there.
Someone should get budwieser to start running ads telling people about the APA. I mean God forbit it's the apa, but you know what? It'll get a huge audience going.
People are right, pool needs a sponsor and beer companies are making a major mistake by not supporting it. Probably though it's because they are unaware that's even like this in the first place.
That said, I believe something that could really help pool is a dramatic win in the Mosconi cup on prime time television with some young gun good looking players playing for the US.
Face it guys, sex sells and shanelle could very well be the future.
Someone should get budwieser to start running ads telling people about the APA. I mean God forbit it's the apa, but you know what? It'll get a huge audience going.
People are right, pool needs a sponsor and beer companies are making a major mistake by not supporting it. Probably though it's because they are unaware that's even like this in the first place.
That said, I believe something that could really help pool is a dramatic win in the Mosconi cup on prime time television with some young gun good looking players playing for the US.
Face it guys, sex sells and shanelle could very well be the future.
Honestly Mark your post has merit but the Sport of Pool will never IMHO be like Golf, or NASCAR with Corporate America lining up to offer sponsorship until many things change in Pool. IMHO Pool will only get Television coverage when Sponsor Pony Up MONEY to Sponsor Pool.
ESPN, ABC, FOX, etc. will only spend their dollars to cover a Sport if they have Sponsors Paying LARGE SUMS of Money to Offset their Costs, and Make a Profit. It is all about Dollar & Cents.
Please pardon the length of this point...but I would like to express my view.
While there have been numerous attempts to by several different companies to organize tours, improve and add credibility to the sport by various organizations, associations over the last 50 years – none has yet to meet with any significant success. In fact, out of the 36,000,000 billiards players in the USA that play at least once a week, only about 400,000 have bothered to join the many leagues, tours and associations available to them. An amazing 99% are still trying to find a home!
Central to this lack of success is the fact that every promoter, tour operator, association, and league uses the same games and scoring systems that have been available to them for the last 50 years. It seems everyone has just taken the same old package and painted it a different color, put a different bow around it, – but it’s just more new lipstick on the same old pig. You don't have to guess who's not interested in that do you? Verizon-Ford-Nationwide.....others.
I'm Prejudice of course.......but I think the 6 Pocket game and concept has a real chance to change that. No promises but we are getting some large companies attention!
Thanks for reading and hope it wasn't boring!
Sorry, but I have to disagree with you on this one. I have read VERY promising words in regards to Yu Ram Cha for the past three years! So what if she had a bad finish one year in a taiwan tourney, she always had great ability. I just wouldn't give all the credit to one year of coaching from Charlie Williams. Also I bet few players can turn it up to such a high level in one year, she always had it.
Take care
I think its great to try and find different ways to mae the sport more exciting and bring more people into the pool world. I do have a couple of things that won't go down well. Paying the top female, so she would be double dipping? What is SVB said hey how come I finished better than her and she is getting a bonus for making the last 32? Taking $$ out of a prize fund to pay a bonust to someone who came in 32nd place will not go down too well.
Secondly the whole get it on ESPN thing. You have to understand a little more about how that all works, I mean they don't just say "Oh thats sounds like fun, lets show it on TV" They Charge in the region of $60k per day for production, unless you have the viewers for them to be able to sell ad space. Like NFL, Golf etc. Right now pool is just a filler to them.
However, I think its great to brainstorm and like someone said you have to have the concept and then look at it from all angles and figure out why it wont work and what can be done to make it work. So nothing against your idea luxury just needs tweeking.
Oh Last thing, Luxury. Do you remember when I beat your A$$ up in tacoma at 9-ball?
That ass beating you handed me during a break from my lesson with Johnny Archer and Nick Varner keeps me up at night, Mark. lol The saving grace is that we are talking about one game of nine ball and I would love to go along with you and call that an ass whoopin' because that way I can now say that I beat Nick Varner's ass that same day. Woooohooooo!
Yeah, we all got to play one game against Nick and after I won without him getting to shoot he walked up to me, shook my hand and said, "Thanks for the lesson."
That lesson with those guys was amazing and even better than last time when it was Archer and Strickland even though I'm a huge Strickland fan.
Way to do something for pool Mark.
P.S. did you ever see the exhibition match on tv with Jeanette Lee and George Breedlove vs Archer and Baretta? You CAN just put a novel match on and this was a good idea. It wasn't quite man vs woman and one team beat the other so soundly it was really depressing to watch.
There is one thing left out in the discussion thats pretty important. What is the perception of the public in the first place. You would need to do a Gallup poll and find out. I have a feeling if you asked the average person, they may be surprised that a woman doesn't already play equal to a man. They may not even see it as an issue for a woman to play a man and win. They may take it as a given and find nothing of any exceptional interest to it.
No the Beer Companies are not as you said making a mistake, as they already have the Pool Player business, and apparently see zero need to sponsor pool.
Honestly you have to ask the question why does Budweiser Brand Beer spend upwards of $1,000,000.00/year to have a Car with Budweiser on the NASCAR Circuit. Now we are talking Car, Crew, Entries, treansportation ,etc, and the expences of the # 8 Budweiser Car
Simple answer. Budweiser's return on their investment.:wink:
Honestly Mark your post has merit but the Sport of Pool will never IMHO be like Golf, or NASCAR with Corporate America lining up to offer sponsorship until many things change in Pool. IMHO Pool will only get Television coverage when Sponsor Pony Up MONEY to Sponsor Pool.
ESPN, ABC, FOX, etc. will only spend their dollars to cover a Sport if they have Sponsors Paying LARGE SUMS of Money to Offset their Costs, and Make a Profit. It is all about Dollar & Cents.
Please pardon the length of this point...but I would like to express my view.
While there have been numerous attempts to by several different companies to organize tours, improve and add credibility to the sport by various organizations, associations over the last 50 years – none has yet to meet with any significant success. In fact, out of the 36,000,000 billiards players in the USA that play at least once a week, only about 400,000 have bothered to join the many leagues, tours and associations available to them. An amazing 99% are still trying to find a home!
Central to this lack of success is the fact that every promoter, tour operator, association, and league uses the same games and scoring systems that have been available to them for the last 50 years. It seems everyone has just taken the same old package and painted it a different color, put a different bow around it, – but it’s just more new lipstick on the same old pig. You don't have to guess who's not interested in that do you? Verizon-Ford-Nationwide.....others.
I'm Prejudice of course.......
Thanks for reading and hope it wasn't boring!
Good post!:wink:
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Here is someting that is a constant in my daily life and may tell you something about female players.
There is a bar/restaurant about a mile from my house. Through the week I go in there almost every lunch time and have a beer and some lunch. Obviously there are a group of people who do the same thing and we all know each other alittle and chit chat about one thing or another. In any one conversation the conversation turns to occupation.
I explain I work with Professional Pool and Billiards, the standard response is "OH you are a Pool Shark?" or "Are you a Hustler?" (to me this is not good). I Tell them that I work as a Agent for Pro Players. Then the next thing is "Wow, do you know Allison Fisher and that Black Widow chick is smokin. Please remember these are not avide pool fans or pool fans at all really, but the 2 things they know about pool is Huslin and 2 female players.
I really don't know what this means, well I suppose I do. Outside of the pool world the game is known for hot women who play and the darker side of the sport. This is gonna be hard to fix.
There is a bar/restaurant about a mile from my house. Through the week I go in there almost every lunch time and have a beer and some lunch. Obviously there are a group of people who do the same thing and we all know each other alittle and chit chat about one thing or another. In any one conversation the conversation turns to occupation.
I explain I work with Professional Pool and Billiards, the standard response is "OH you are a Pool Shark?" or "Are you a Hustler?" (to me this is not good). I Tell them that I work as a Agent for Pro Players. Then the next thing is "Wow, do you know Allison Fisher and that Black Widow chick is smokin. Please remember these are not avide pool fans or pool fans at all really, but the 2 things they know about pool is Huslin and 2 female players.
I really don't know what this means, well I suppose I do. Outside of the pool world the game is known for hot women who play and the darker side of the sport. This is gonna be hard to fix.
