Possible solution for Chuck Bobbitt?

[JAM]

One thing must happen soon by way of damage control for Chuck.

Each State has their own laws as it pertains to bad checks.

Here in the District of Columbia, once the matter is turned over to the Bad Check Squad (or whatever they're called), if you do not make the check good within a certain amount of time, you owe twice the amount of that check, AND a court of law will enforce it by way of fines and/or jail time in addition to the monies owed.

Chuck should be making a list and checking it twice. Communication is key here. I think if he can give a payment of good faith to all those concerned with a promissory note for the rest, that would be one way to start the ball rolling.

Talk is cheap, though, and in this instance, silence is not golden. I know Chuck is in a bad way, but this matter ain't going away anytime soon.

He may have to make payments a la IPT. Though not ideal, it would sure beat a blank.

You can't drain blood from a turnip, as they say. The ball is now in Chuck's court. I pray he can figure out way to address some of the legitimate concerns expressed in this thread.

JAM

 

[av84fun]

Jay,

I have done my best to state my position here, but you're still not making the "connection." Please let me try to explain one more time, and then I will have to move on with my life.

The connection is this: In an earlier post (in this thread) Garth wrote, "Roger Long...please talk to YOUR friend Chuck." It was the "YOUR" in caps that sent a strong message. It seemed to imply that I am the last friend Chuck has in this world. Could that be correct? If it is, it's very sad.

Now I have not attempted to defend Chuck Bobbitt's actions (I am not a defense attorney). But I haven't tried to pre-judge him, either, as most people in these forums have done. His guilt, or innocence, can only be determined by a court of law. Yes, I know there is very strong evidence that the man has wronged a lot of people, and I'm sorry for that. But I've also seen a man (Chuck) destroy his own life, and I'm sorry to see that, too.

It should be quite obvious to everyone reading the threads on Chuck Bobbitt that my position in this matter is not a popular one. And that's okay; I knew what I was in for when I jumped into the middle of this. But let me say this: I will not apologize for looking for the good in every person; it is always my Christian belief and conviction to do so. (I might not always find the good, but I will always look for it first.) I will also not apologize for not jumping on the band wagon of popular public opinion, if doing so might only contribute to further damage being done all around. Now if that's what you want to call "digging a deeper hole," then, yes, I'm guilty.

I hope this helps.

And now, if you'll please excuse me, I have to try and catch up on some work.

Your Friend (too),
Roger

Sir, the presumption of innocence binds only judges and jurors in this country...not members of the general population.

When the cops found numerous body parts in Jeffrey Daumer's freezer, it was JUST FINE for us to presume him guilty.

When Chuck wrote all those checks knowing they would bounce...and when they DID bounce, it is fine for us to presume his guilt (civilly or criminally).

Yes apparenty good people can and do make mistakes but the REALLY good people stand up like men and DO something to make amends.

Jim

 

[JAM]

Sir, the presumption of innocence binds only judges and jurors in this country...not members of the general population.

When the cops found numerous body parts in Jeffrey Daumer's freezer, it was JUST FINE for us to presume him guilty.

When Chuck wrote all those checks knowing they would bounce...and when they DID bounce, it is fine for us to presume his guilt (civilly or criminally).

Yes apparenty good people can and do make mistakes but the REALLY good people stand up like men and DO something to make amends.

Jim

I understand your thoughts there, Jim, but comparing Chuck Bobbitt to Jeffrey Dalmer is an unusual parallel.

JAM

 

[Bigtruck]

I understand your thoughts there, Jim, but comparing Chuck Bobbitt to Jeffrey Dalmer is an unusual parallel.

JAM

I thought it was a good analogy!

Both seemed obvious to us, but the system will presume both innocent until proven guilty. What a great system! Sometimes things are not the way they appear by design of the perp.

Hopefully Roger's case will end differently than Jeffery's, but it doesn't look like it will. Sorry I meant Chuck.

Ray

 

[FLICKit]

I know for a fact that people have allowed "friends" to post using their sign on. I believe there IS a Roger Long. I just doubt that he is the one making these posts.

Chuck- Just man up and make this right. Quit trying to spin the general consensus. The longer you are silent or disguised, the more your guilt becomes the only conclusion.

Roger has stated (in his last post) that he was trying to clarify any misconceptions that others may have in their interpretations of Rogers statements. He also stated that he was moving on...

I will state: BigTruck you are way out of line in your comments. You have no facts to back up your statement. On the other hand, I can vouch with certainty that you are flat out wrong.

As you stated, the proper thing for you to do would be to man up and apologize for the false accusations. Hopefully you will do the right thing, instead of responding in a manner that turns this into a flame war, unnecessarily.

Hopefully you'll understand that your beef is not with me. My sole purpose for posting this, was simply to state that your accusations were flat our false, and thus allow the discussions in this thread to get back on topic.

 

[FLICKit]

Are you sure you're not Chuck doing a little damage control? Something is fishy here and I can't quite put my finger on it. Maybe he is "suggesting" to you what to write.

As I stated to BigTruck, I will also state to you.

You were at least wise enough to couch your statement with "maybe" ...

I don't really know you, but I have approved of your actions (via posts in other threads). So understand, overall I concur with you that actions need to be done to ensure that the players and TD are paid.

Please understand, there simply does not need to be any witchhunts (or whatever terminology applies - don't get semantical) regarding issues unrelated to the proper people being paid appropriately.

 

[Bigtruck]

none

Roger has stated (in his last post) that he was trying to clarify any misconceptions that others may have in their interpretations of Rogers statements. He also stated that he was moving on...

I will state: BigTruck you are way out of line in your comments. You have no facts to back up your statement. On the other hand, I can vouch with certainty that you are flat out wrong.

As you stated, the proper thing for you to do would be to man up and apologize for the false accusations. Hopefully you will do the right thing, instead of responding in a manner that turns this into a flame war, unnecessarily.

Hopefully you'll understand that your beef is not with me. My sole purpose for posting this, was simply to state that your accusations were flat our false, and thus allow the discussions in this thread to get back on topic.

Flickit,

I made no accusations, only voiced my doubts. Nothing to apologize for. You sure are getting excited. If there was no wrongful intent by Chuck, why doesn't he respond? Why doesn't he answer his calls? Why doesn't he defend himself? If it was innocent what happened, he would get sympathy from many and even forgiveness.........but to simply ignore it?

flame away if you want. I'm gonna bow out and let the the parties affected respond. When the dust settles, pool events will be better off because of this, whatever the outcome.

Ray

 

[av84fun]

I understand your thoughts there, Jim, but comparing Chuck Bobbitt to Jeffrey Dalmer is an unusual parallel.

JAM

Hi Jam,

After posting it, I figured someone would take issue but I left it as is because, as BigTruck has already pointed out, I wasn't comparing bobbitt to dahmer but rather the the public is free to presume guilt if they wish.

Clearly, some such presumptions will be proven wrong in court where the presumption of innocence is legally mandated and where the burden of proof lies with the accusor.

But I am old enough to have personally witnessed Lee Harvey Oswald murder Jack Ruby on live television so, other than an insanity defense, I had no problem presuming his guilt.

HOWEVER, to argue with myself...what about the Kennedy assassination? Personally, I did NOT leap to judgment. I felt there was a "hanging mob" mentality in Dallas that day and had I been on a jury, I would have wanted LOTS of evidence.

But many people did leap to judgment but it really very, very rarely makes any difference what the general public thinks. There have been AT LEAST as many jury verdicts that went against the popular view as with it.

O.J. Simpson being one of the more recent, dramatic and appalling.

So, just for emphasis, there was no intent to compare the PEOPLE...just the circumstances.

Regards,
Jim

PS: Not to hijack the thread...but modern forensic science and the release of SOME of the long-classified documents proves conclusively that Oswald was NOT the only shooter and most likely was not a shooter at all.

(-:

 

[!Smorgass Bored]

Sometimes, Life Just Ain't Fair....imo

So, I guess if someone were to find these dozen frozen raccoon heads in my freezer, that they would think right away that I was guilty of killing them and not my story that I simply FOUND them all.

Doug
( I'll never be able to explain my rubber gloves, mask and apron to anyone's satisfaction )

 

[Rick S.]

This is what saddens me the most.

Yes, I feel very bad for Jay and the players losing monies out of their pocket to attend this event.

I also see a man whose life may be permanently changed for the worse, all because he wanted to please the pool community and did not listen to reason when warned to not move forward. For this grave error, he may never recover. I do hope the players and Jay get paid what they got coming.

JAM

That's the truth....and it's really, really sad.

I know Chuck...and feel terrible for him. As well as the non paid people. It's just a bad deal all the way around.

 

[av84fun]

So, I guess if someone were to find these dozen frozen raccoon heads in my freezer, that they would think right away that I was guilty of killing them and not my story that I simply FOUND them all.

Doug
( I'll never be able to explain my rubber gloves, mask and apron to anyone's satisfaction )

We'd believe you...but the game wardens wouldn't.

(-:

 

[JAM]

...But I am old enough to have personally witnessed Lee Harvey Oswald murder Jack Ruby on live television so, other than an insanity defense, I had no problem presuming his guilt....

For whatever reason, I remember the whole thing vividly. I was in the fifth grade, and I was not in school that day. I was sick at home with a sore throat. I was watching "My Three Sons" on a black-and-white TV in my parent's bedroom, snuggled up in bed in my pajamas.

An interruption came on, right in the middle of my program, saying that President Kennedy has been shot. I knew at a young age that this was an historical tragedy, and I was scared. I immediately called my dad at work and told him about it. From there on in, the regularly programmed TV shows were no more.

That assassination affected me deeply as a child. I remember feeling unsafe walking down the street for fear of a sniper. Fast forward about 50 years, and my fears came true. Less than 2 miles from my home is where the first murder occurred with the D.C. sniper.

I stopped walking my dog, and I made Keith get out and pump all the gas. People were literally running zig-zag patterns into stores like they were trained SWAT soldiers, for fear of this sniper. And I am not kidding either.

To this day, I am convinced that Kennedy's assassination was a mob hit.

I understand your analogy about guilt or innocence, but Chuck Bobbitt to me seems like a man who was trying to do good and it backfired on him big time. Again, I hope Jay, et al., get paid, and as time goes by, I believe they should receive interest, to include the bad check fees the players were charged. I still feel bad about Chuck Bobbitt, an older man who tried to make something happen, did not follow advice, and now has to pay the piper. I'm sure when he was agreeing to do this event, he had quite a few "friends" patting him on the back and giving him praise. Today, he is ostracized as if he has leprosy, poor fellow.

JAM

 

[Hunter]

"But I am old enough to have personally witnessed Lee Harvey Oswald murder Jack Ruby on live television so, other than an insanity defense, I had no problem presuming his guilt."

If you're old enough to remember it, remember that Ruby killed Oswald, not vice versa ...

 

[Bigtruck]

No

"But I am old enough to have personally witnessed Lee Harvey Oswald murder Jack Ruby on live television so, other than an insanity defense, I had no problem presuming his guilt."

If you're old enough to remember it, remember that Ruby killed Oswald, not vice versa ...

Ruby killed Kennedy from the grassy knoll, then killed Oswald for robbing him of the Glory. JK.

They say memory is the first to go. Whoever "they" is.

Ray

 

[!Smorgass Bored]

For whatever reason, I remember the whole thing vividly. I was in the fifth grade, and I was not in school that day. I was sick at home with a sore throat. I was watching "My Three Sons" on a black-and-white TV in my parent's bedroom, snuggled up in bed in my pajamas.

An interruption came on, right in the middle of my program, saying that President Kennedy has been shot. I knew at a young age that this was an historical tragedy, and I was scared.
JAM

You were scared ? LOL
We were on tempoary duty in Yuma, AZ. and I and a few buddies were on liberty in San Luis, Mexico. I was going from cantina to cantina, looking for the current love of my life, Yolanda Guitterez.

President Kennedy was shot and the first thing that 'they' did was to close the border, noone in or out of Mexico. Six irate, drunk, horny, pissed off, mad at everyone for killing OUR President, Marines created their own national incident and we were finally allowed back into the states.

I went to the same Jr. High and High School as Oswald, though a few years behind him.

I knew many of the people implicated in the New Orleans-Texas assassination plot, including some of the mafia ties. Jada, a stripper/dancer from the French Quater was working at Jack Ruby's place in Dallas at the time. She later died in a motorcycle crash and is buried in an an unmarked grave in New Orleans. It was whispered that she was a go between for the parties involved.
http://www.jfklancer.com/pdf/Jada_mark.pdf
Jada's young son Angelo gave me her silverware as a wedding gift in 1986 and he burned to death in 1995.

Doug
( A great site for JFK assassination plot enthusiasts is www.jfklancer.com )


Edited to add: Chuck Bobbit was NOT implicated in any way with the shooting in Dallas and I think we can go slightly astray in this thread while we await a reply from Chuck or a resolution to the current non-payment situation... imo

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[ironman]

You were scared ? LOL
We were on tempoary duty in Yuma, AZ. and I and a few buddies were on liberty in San Luis, Mexico. I was going from cantina to cantina, looking for the current love of my life, Yolanda Guitterez.

President Kennedy was shot and the first thing that 'they' did was to close the border, noone in or out of Mexico. Six irate, drunk, horny, pissed off, mad at everyone for killing OUR President, Marines created their own national incident and we were finally allowed back into the states.

I went to the same Jr. High and High School as Oswald, though a few years behind him.

I knew many of the people implicated in the New Orleans-Texas assassination plot, including some of the mafia ties. Jada, a stripper/dancer from the French Quater was working at Jack Ruby's place in Dallas at the time. She later died in a motorcycle crash and is buried in an an unmarked grave in New Orleans. It was whispered that she was a go between for the parties involved.
http://www.jfklancer.com/pdf/Jada_mark.pdf
Jada's young son Angelo gave me her silverware as a wedding gift in 1986 and he burned to death in 1995.

Doug
( A great site for JFK assassination plot enthusiasts is www.jfklancer.com )


Edited to add: Chuck Bobbit was NOT implicated in any way with the shooting in Dallas and I think we can go slightly astray in this thread while we await a reply from Chuck or a resolution to the current non-payment situation... imo

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How many directly tied to the Warren Reports were mysteriously murdered, 29 or something like that?

 

[beetle]

Edited to add: Chuck Bobbit was NOT implicated in any way with the shooting in Dallas and I think we can go slightly astray in this thread while we await a reply from Chuck or a resolution to the current non-payment situation... imo

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No, but if you want to ask him some questions about the money, I think I saw him hiding behind a grassy knoll.

 

[sde]

No, but if you want to ask him some questions about the money, I think I saw him hiding behind a grassy knoll.

I hide behind a grassy knoll once. At that time it was only $160 a key.

Steve

 

[av84fun]

For whatever reason, I remember the whole thing vividly. I was in the fifth grade, and I was not in school that day. I was sick at home with a sore throat. I was watching "My Three Sons" on a black-and-white TV in my parent's bedroom, snuggled up in bed in my pajamas.

An interruption came on, right in the middle of my program, saying that President Kennedy has been shot. I knew at a young age that this was an historical tragedy, and I was scared. I immediately called my dad at work and told him about it. From there on in, the regularly programmed TV shows were no more.

That assassination affected me deeply as a child. I remember feeling unsafe walking down the street for fear of a sniper. Fast forward about 50 years, and my fears came true. Less than 2 miles from my home is where the first murder occurred with the D.C. sniper.

I stopped walking my dog, and I made Keith get out and pump all the gas. People were literally running zig-zag patterns into stores like they were trained SWAT soldiers, for fear of this sniper. And I am not kidding either.

To this day, I am convinced that Kennedy's assassination was a mob hit.
I understand your analogy about guilt or innocence, but Chuck Bobbitt to me seems like a man who was trying to do good and it backfired on him big time. Again, I hope Jay, et al., get paid, and as time goes by, I believe they should receive interest, to include the bad check fees the players were charged. I still feel bad about Chuck Bobbitt, an older man who tried to make something happen, did not follow advice, and now has to pay the piper. I'm sure when he was agreeing to do this event, he had quite a few "friends" patting him on the back and giving him praise. Today, he is ostracized as if he has leprosy, poor fellow.

JAM

Mob and/or Castro. As everyone knows, there was a very long and profitable association between the Mob and the Cubans...and Fidel might well have gotten a little cranky over the Bay of Pigs and the multiple attempts on his life.

Babbitt wrote the checks and gave them to the players. If there is a reason that he thought they would clear but did not...for example, if some "silent partner" of his gave Babbitt a check that bounced on HIM....I am sure we would have heard that by now.

I don't fault him ALL that much for being unable to honor his obligations. We all make miscalculations.

But if he had the stones God gave him, he would have manned up and TOLD the players that he simply didn't have the money...rather than to send them all home with "readers" (checks that are only good for reading).

Furthermore, as others have posted...simple math leads to the conclusion that he took in more money than he paid out.

THAT is why I think he deserves whatever he gets.

Regards,
Jim

 

[av84fun]

"But I am old enough to have personally witnessed Lee Harvey Oswald murder Jack Ruby on live television so, other than an insanity defense, I had no problem presuming his guilt."

If you're old enough to remember it, remember that Ruby killed Oswald, not vice versa ...

Sorry...my bad. It was LATE when I wrote that.

Thanks!