Post pics of James White Custom Cues here...

Please let me explain something to all the critics of Paul Mottey and James White. Jim and Paul are not just great cue makers; they are master of DESIGN and COPY! On top of that they are even better business people. If people come to you and are willing to pay you thousands of dollars for a cue that you make a profit on what is wrong with that. SERIOUSLY! The customer wanted the copy of the cue. The customer pays for the cue, and the customer is always right! It is a BUISNESS, it is not personal. You only live one life, with no rewind button, that is it. What is so wrong with making the best of it? What is wrong with making the all mighty dollar, and living in huge houses, and driving really nice cars? NOTHING! People strive for these virtues everyday. Please don’t tell me that money is the root of all evils. Whoever says that doesn’t have any or will never amount to having nothing. These people are just angry and are losers because life is passing them by and they have not amounted to nothing. What they do is knock other people to make them feel better about themselves. WEAK! When critics talk about lack of vision and talent that should be directed to people who criticize others and do not have any ability to create, or let alone even copy anything. No one ever remembers CRITCIS! In the pool world 100 years from now, people will remember and still be playing with Paul Mottey and James White cues. They will be remembered forever as great cue makers. The people who criticized there work will be long gone and forgotten and will never be remembered let alone thought about. To all the fans of Mottey and White, please do not sweat the critics. True talent cannot ever be knocked only criticized!
 
GQ IMAGE said:
Please let me explain something to all the critics of Paul Mottey and James White... etc.

We moved on and so should you... please refer to the new cue design theft thread and delete your post so that this thread can be about JMW cues.
 
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GQ IMAGE said:
What is wrong with making the all mighty dollar, and living in huge houses, and driving really nice cars? NOTHING! People strive for these virtues everyday.

Money sir, is not a virtue. character, compassion, charity are examples of virtues. Money has nothing to do with it.

When you die, money don't mean shit. What you leave in the hearts of those who knew you means everything.

To everyone else, Those JMW's are looking great.
 
asiasdad said:
Money sir, is not a virtue. character, compassion, charity are examples of virtues. Money has nothing to do with it.

When you die, money don't mean shit. What you leave in the hearts of those who knew you means everything.

To everyone else, Those JMW's are looking great.

Very well said asiasdad!
 
GQ IMAGE said:
Please let me explain something to all the critics of Paul Mottey and James White. Jim and Paul are not just great cue makers; they are master of DESIGN and COPY!

I agree they are Master cue makers, as well as Master thief’s. The fact that they have such talent makes the other that much worse.

On top of that they are even better business people. If people come to you and are willing to pay you thousands of dollars for a cue that you make a profit on what is wrong with that.

They would make the profit no matter what, their work is so good that people will pay their price. Southwest has an 8 year wait list and they make 300 cues a year, they will not make you whatever you want, not only will they not make you a 4 point cue but sometimes they won't make you a wood combo (in their style) that you want. Joel Hercek will not make a copy of someone's design, he has a 5+ year wait list and can sell anything he makes at pretty much any price he wants. Can you sit there and tell me from a business stand point that they are doing something wrong???

SERIOUSLY!

Seriously?? They are stealing, that's what's wrong, and worse they don't have to from a skill stand point and from a business stand point. They make some of the best cues in the world, they also have done some great designs, the point is they really don't have to do it, where as some people with less talent have no options, they do.

The customer wanted the copy of the cue.

Big deal, who cares what the customer wants, if you have integrity and your work stands alone you don't need to be a thief to make a sale. Did you read the post where Joel Hercek told someone no?? It didn't cost him the sale or any business.

The customer pays for the cue, and the customer is always right!

The customer isn't always right and when the customer wants you to break the law he's certainly not right. As of right now there isn't enough money in cues to cause someone to take it the whole way and sue, I can assure you that once it happens and it costs the person stealing some money then it will stop, as a matter of fact Paul has made a promise to stop, if he does or not I guess we will have to wait and see. But if it ever does go that far I guess we'll see how far you're theory that the customer is always right will go.

It is a BUISNESS, it is not personal.

No it is personal, it's stealing someone's personal art, a design is something that a person puts much time and energy into. Anyone who has ever paid for a 1 of a kind cue knows the price you pay for this work. Anyone who has ever had a design stolen knows how it feels, it's just wrong and lazy and bad business in the long run.

You only live one life, with no rewind button, that is it. What is so wrong with making the best of it?

With this idiotic line of thinking why don't you just go find the nicest house you can and move in. If your neighbor has something nice that you want just go take it. Hell if you need to just kill them, you only live once. Why should you live in a 3 bedroom house when the guy down the road has 5, so what it's his and you can't afford it, you only live once.

What is wrong with making the all mighty dollar, and living in huge houses, and driving really nice cars? NOTHING!

Nothing is right, so when you want a Southwest go buy a Southwest, when you want a Ferrari buy a Ferrari, you want a big house, BUY a big house, I missed where in your little rant you said anything about stealing these nice things. So you want a Szamboti???? BUY ONE, don't ask a cuemaker to copy one cause you can't afford it.

People strive for these virtues everyday. Please don’t tell me that money is the root of all evils.

LOL People strive to work hard so they can buy the nice things, only in pool do you find people working hard not to work and trying to figure out how to scam and steal their way into nice things. This is just an extension of that mentality. I know of pool players who work harder on not working then they would if they just got a job. It's funny how at the beginning of your post you were talking them up because they did whatever they had to (steal designs) to get money, now you're saying money isn't the root of all evil. Before when money made them steal you claimed it was good business, now it's the root of evil LOL make up my mind.

Whoever says that doesn’t have any or will never amount to having nothing. These people are just angry and are losers because life is passing them by and they have not amounted to nothing.

No sorry, you're wrong, some people have integrity, some people will not make any cue for any amount of money, some people will turn away work if it involves them stealing designs, and these people as we have already discussed seem to be doing very well for themselves (Mr. Hercek).

What they do is knock other people to make them feel better about themselves. WEAK!

No what weak people do is try to defend the practice of stealing so that they feel better about doing it. They say there is nothing wrong with it because so and so did it. They claim that since others have done it in the past it must be ok, when all the while they excuse it because they have just done it or they have a copy of a design on their web-site that they are trying to sell, or they have made a career out of the practice. There is no weakness in standing up to someone for doing something you feel is wrong, the weakness is in defending it so you don't make an enemy, maybe next cue you order you can tell them how you defended them and they will give you a discount.

When critics talk about lack of vision and talent that should be directed to people who criticize others and do not have any ability to create, or let alone even copy anything. No one ever remembers CRITCIS! In the pool world 100 years from now, people will remember and still be playing with Paul Mottey and James White cues. They will be remembered forever as great cue makers. The people who criticized there work will be long gone and forgotten and will never be remembered let alone thought about. To all the fans of Mottey and White, please do not sweat the critics. True talent cannot ever be knocked only criticized!


You are a complete fool. I would never knock their work, as a matter of fact the point of most of my rants have been in support of their work. I think Paul is a top 10 cuemaker of our time, and I think Jim is a top 5 cuemaker in the new guard. But that's the point their work is so good that the design stealing doesn't need to happen, if they sucked and couldn't pay their bills I'd understand the stealing. They are so good that they can make sneaky petes and sell them as fast as they can make them. They can make green and yellow cues and sell them all. They can easily tell a customer *NO* I won't do that design, how bout we make it our own or tweak it to make it special and every customer would say ok, because they have such a strong following and such strong respect from the customers. Just like Joel said no, they can and it wouldn't hurt them 1 bit. I DO NOT CRITICIZE THEIR WORK, I CRITICIZE THE ACT OF STEALING. I understand it makes your point seem stronger if you can twist what I said into a knock on their work, but it's just not the case, so please end that lie now.
In 100 years people will still be playing with Mottey cues and few people may remember the critics, but not one person will remember an ass kisser like you, trust me. BTW Jim W and Joel H both read here, I would love to hear either chime in on the topic.

Jim
 
Ginacue has a nice production line of cues that are all original and go for BIG BUCKS (and these aren't one of a kinds).

Innovative designs + Superb construction = Cuemaking success.

Are these cues that Mr. White or Mr. Mottey made exact copies, or simply inspired by Szamboti, and so well executed that you could mistake it for the real thing, if you didn't know the design was original?
 
Matt_24 said:
Ginacue has a nice production line of cues that are all original and go for BIG BUCKS (and these aren't one of a kinds).

Innovative designs + Superb construction = Cuemaking success.

Are these cues that Mr. White or Mr. Mottey made exact copies, or simply inspired by Szamboti, and so well executed that you could mistake it for the real thing, if you didn't know the design was original?

IMO, they are inspired by Szam's work, like a lot of other cuemakers. Every one that I have that might look like a Szam are not exact copies. To a completely untrained eye, that is, it may appear to be a Szam, but in my mind it's pretty hard to call it an exact copy if you have a signature and a date staring at you from it between the points or initials inscribed on the butt cap. Elements of the cue construction have always been different on the ones I've seen and they are distinguishable from a Szam.

Sean
 
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couple of my fav's that I have or have had.....

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Nice examples. A Szamboti flair in the element of design, but clearly not an original, or attempt at it being identical as far as I can tell. I am by no means an expert or purist...I just know what I like.

I can definitely understand from a collector's standpoint how someone owning an exact COPY of an original you might own would be disheartening...but I have no problem with design "influence".

I would be interested in seeing EXACT copies that have been discussed in the past on this forum. Not trying to pour gas on the fire. I'm just generally interested in pics, and seeing just how close any of the aforementioned cuemakers got to the original, if someone has an actual photo to post.

Great pics Cueaddicts.
 
A White I parted with a while back (second from the left in first picture, then near the center of next two pictures).

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A Jim White that I recently got in a trade with thediamond. Thanks, Si!! :D

Cocobolo into cocobolo, 3 veneers, 6 hi-lo points, index rings that line up all through the cue, lizard wrap.
 

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Here are some better lit, more detailed pics . . . . for Nicky! :p
 

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Here is the backend of a cue he is making me

I am going to keep the remaining work a secret.. :)

BTW the rings are getting abalone dots

Joe
 
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Big-Tattoo said:
Cocobolo is very nice,but dark red Amboyna BURL is much better
Then you are going to REALLY like one that Jim is working on for me. :D
 
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