Practice vs. Playing

mworkman

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How much time do you think should be spent practicing as apposed to playing an actual opponent? 50/50? I think I spend too much time practicing by myself doing drills etc. and not enough time actually playing someone else. Sometimes I will go weeks without playing anybody. I guess I gotta get out more. :rolleyes:
 
It depends a lot of your needs, of your method of practice and of the level of the people you're playing with. Also, your motivation is very important. If you play seriously with better player than you, it is very constructive. It provide perhaps more benefits than drilling shots. I think you ve got to play some players, it will gives you feedbacks of your qualities and your defects. Then you will know what kind of shots or game situations you've got to drill. You've got next to find the balance wich is appropriate for you.

I don't have much time, but if I can practicing 1 hour per day 4 or 5 times a week and playing a good player 1 or 2 times a week for 2 or 3 hours, its for me a good balance.

Hope you find something useful in this post. I hope over all that I can express what I'm thinking cause my language is not english LOL
 
I would say practice/playing at 30/70 rate. Playing will get you focus. Playing involves much more stuff than practice, like shot, position, hardness, etc.
 
What I do is when I playing someone I make it a point to see what i'm having trouble with and take that to the practice table and work on it. I missed a shot a few weeks ago that was a medium hard shot, i took it to the practice table and shot it over 100 times in a couple different sessions now its a hanger for me, thats good progress

regarding the amount of time for each thing, right now with my backache I play when I can and try to make games, but when I was healthy I liked to be in action about 80% of the time and spent the other time practicing, the more I play the less I need to practice-when i'm in stroke. Right now because I'm playiny 3 days on a good week and I end up in the pool room in the morning and its empty so more practice time and honestly I think its too much practice, just like a playing at home practicing-I dont grow as a player playing alone as fast as being in action, I learn more about my self playing others and fill the holes on the practice table in the 20% I make for myself when I can be in action the other 80%. So for every 4 hours I'm in action I make it a point to practice 1 hour thus 1/5=20%. Unless I see lots of problems then I practice more-but thats just a guidline not a set thing.

in a nutshell action first and that determines how much i need to practice and the 80/20 formula is just an average. I think for begginners more practice time is important and as you become a better player the less is needed. Or after a long lay off then more practice is necessary no matter what your speed is, i'm not a BCA instructor but these are just my opinions after years of experience, I'd love to hear some opinions on my thoughts here-thanks in advance.
 
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This is probably my biggest obstacle. In the 45 + yrs I've enjoyed this game, I'll honestly bet I haven't practiced more than ... oh 100hrs max.

I wish I could enjoy and benefit from practice. I find it so boring that I end up getting sloppy and just give up on it.

I'm only able to play about 4 or 5 hrs a week these days and I'm still able to fight my way through 3 or so racks of 14.1 but I'm sure the lack of structured practice is what is holding me back.

I fear actually getting sloppy from practice since I hate it and get bored by is so much I find myself firing balls in and banging rails.

I'd love to hear how others make their practice enjoyable. The closest thing I've found to enjoying practice is the Hopkins challenge. But even this isn't what I define as practice and it too becomes boring quickly.

To me practice is drills like the "L" drill or circling the cue ball with OBs in the center of the table. These are what I am referring to. I just can't bring myself enough motivation to do them.

I'll guess 10hrs a week minimum practice time is a good idea.
 
I tell my students that when they finish our advanced course, they should spend 80% of their table time practicing (in particular, practicing the Mother Drills), and depending on how many hours they can devote to serious practice, within about 3 weeks, they probably need to spend 80% of their time playing.
Practice is to allow the new concepts to become a set part of your game, so until they become natural, we also recommend students stay away from any serious competition for a couple of weeks after class.
You need to remember that pool is a GAME and it is supposed to be FUN. Put the time in initially with the practice. When you are back playing more, you should find yourself winning more...and let's face it, winning is FUN!!
Steve
 
I shoot every day, for at least an hour. At least 4 days a week I get together with my friends and we shoot for 3 to 8 hours. I shoot at least one tournament a month to see where I have improved and where I still need work.
 
mworkman said:
How much time do you think should be spent practicing as apposed to playing an actual opponent? 50/50? I think I spend too much time practicing by myself doing drills etc. and not enough time actually playing someone else. Sometimes I will go weeks without playing anybody. I guess I gotta get out more. :rolleyes:

It depends on how much you play I guess. If you rarely ever play against anyone, then it will be difficult to get into a comfort zone when you finally do get an actual opponent. Thus it will be hard to play your best pool, which can get very frusterating.

It's difficult to simulate the pressures of match play in solo practice. But at the same time solo practice is infinitely important as there is no other time appropriate to work on your fundamentals.

Try and get an opponent at least once a week.
 
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3andstop said:
This is probably my biggest obstacle. In the 45 + yrs I've enjoyed this game, I'll honestly bet I haven't practiced more than ... oh 100hrs max.

I wish I could enjoy and benefit from practice. I find it so boring that I end up getting sloppy and just give up on it.

I'm only able to play about 4 or 5 hrs a week these days and I'm still able to fight my way through 3 or so racks of 14.1 but I'm sure the lack of structured practice is what is holding me back.

I fear actually getting sloppy from practice since I hate it and get bored by is so much I find myself firing balls in and banging rails.

I'd love to hear how others make their practice enjoyable. The closest thing I've found to enjoying practice is the Hopkins challenge. But even this isn't what I define as practice and it too becomes boring quickly.

To me practice is drills like the "L" drill or circling the cue ball with OBs in the center of the table. These are what I am referring to. I just can't bring myself enough motivation to do them.

I'll guess 10hrs a week minimum practice time is a good idea.

A short parable:

As I used to tell the young'uns at work when they *****ed incessantly
about how much they hated work,
"If it was fun, they wouldn't be paying you to be here, you would be
paying them".

The payoff of practice comes from playing better, not the practice
inself. If practice was fun, people would practice instead of playing.

Dale
 
pdcue said:
A short parable:

As I used to tell the young'uns at work when they *****ed incessantly
about how much they hated work,
"If it was fun, they wouldn't be paying you to be here, you would be
paying them".

The payoff of practice comes from playing better, not the practice
inself. If practice was fun, people would practice instead of playing.

Dale

:D I love that. Thank you
 
pdcue said:
A short parable:

As I used to tell the young'uns at work when they *****ed incessantly
about how much they hated work,
"If it was fun, they wouldn't be paying you to be here, you would be
paying them".

The payoff of practice comes from playing better, not the practice
inself. If practice was fun, people would practice instead of playing.

Dale

Hmm I thought I made that up. I guess not, lol. I agree that this somewhat applicable to practice, but without adding pressure to your game practice can only help so much. Much like the workingman I spent five times more time practicing than playing against others. Between working and a family it's really tough to get out. I'm sure this limits my performance, I practice a lot better than I play.
 
Playing always keeps you sharp because you have someone "shooting back at you" and you can see how they shoot certain shots in certain situations and you can learn alot from watching. Also, I think it depends on the type of practicing that you do. For instance, doing drills are ok, but I prefer to play the ghost when Im practicing. This way, I still put enough pressure on myself to focus on every shot knowing if I miss I lose. JMO.

Southpaw
 
I've been wondering about this also. My thoughts are that it depends on where you are in your skill level. For a newbie, more practice time is needed just to get the mechanics of shot making down. To learn new types of shot making.

As ones skill grows, there is a shift in what is needed to be practiced, ie, less shot making more mental. It is hard in practice to get the feeling of being in a race for a match. There is not that pressure, that need to be on. There is like someone said, "No one shooting back"......So at least for me, I practice now just to keep my eye sharp for shot making and have started playing more tourney's to get my metal game where it needs to be.
 
lessons from the asians

mworkman said:
How much time do you think should be spent practicing as apposed to playing an actual opponent? 50/50? I think I spend too much time practicing by myself doing drills etc. and not enough time actually playing someone else. Sometimes I will go weeks without playing anybody. I guess I gotta get out more. :rolleyes:

I have heard speculation that the Asians' discipline to do endless drills provides them with an advantage over us. Perhaps AZers in Asia can confirm this.

I have known Asians in the martial arts who think nothing of doing 5000 sidekicks. They are much more likely to spend endless hours doing kata (forms) than Americans.Hours spent on drills & kata far exceed time on sparring & tournaments. This may or may not be generalizable to pool.
 
Time practicing vs. time playing is different for everyone. Some people get more out of playing, and vice-versa. It's a highly personal thing, as everyone learns in their own way. You can't just do one most of the time, i.e. practice, and expect your performance under match pressure to be up to par; and it is difficult to have the confidence on some shots in match situations if you don't practice them.

I think there is some deffinite merit to practicing shots which you are having trouble with in match situations. Granted, there is no pressure on you to make the ball and get your position during practice as missing has no penalty. But if you set a goal for yourself to make the shot and get the position x-number of times consecutively, it will start to put pressure on you as you get closer to your goal. And it never hurts to set up drills such as the 'L drill occasionally, as it will re-enforce those shots and those position plays for you.

For myself, at least once in the week I'll dedicate my time on the table, (about 3-4 hours min.) to practicing shots, and doing drills. I don't shoot a single rack in that time. This is usually at the beginning of the week, where I can go over some of the shots that I had problems with the previous weekend from tournament or matching up. I'll pick usually 1-2 drills as well, and work on those too.

The key for me, to avoid getting bored and not giving total concentration to each and every shot, is to take a break every 20-30 minutes. I might go smoke a cigarette, give someone a ring on my phone, or have a bite to eat...but I do something away from the table for about 5 minutes. This gives me the opportunity to relax, because while I'm practicing, my concentration level I try to keep at as high a level as I can. From pre-shot routine, to stroke, to follow through. Reset, do it again. When you feel yourself getting lazy about these things, it's either time to reset your mind, or take a quick break, because you really won't get anything out of shooting the shot or doing the drill if you're just going through the motions.

Other times practicing, I'll just practice my run out patterns. Other times I'll work on my break, ect... Don't forget to occasionally practice those "impossible" shots. The 5 rail kicks, multiple rail banks...ect. it might not seem like you're getting anything out of it, but you'll start getting a feel for what you can and can't do on the table, which will help you in a match situation.

Overall, I try and keep my matches - practice ratio at about 50/50. That's what seems to be working for me at this point. That might change later on down the line for me, but I don't think that everyone should be doing the same. It's different for everyone.

Dags
 
If I am working to improve my game I actually prefer to play by myself. This way I take everyshot and Im not just standing around. Sure you get better by playing other people as well as you learn to play tighter safes and bear down a little more on tough shots so you are sure to make them, but I think your game benefits more when playing just yourself.
 
Practice VS Play

I have my table in pieces right now. You can go to Talk to a Mechanic forum here on AZ to see Diary of an antique brunswick here: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=87941

I do practice a lot and sometimes it is structered with drills, sometimes just hitting balls and sometimes just trying to implement something new.

I will say I have played very good matches lately including a win against a seven beating him 19 to 1 in nine ball just last night. I was concerned because I had not played much this week with my table apart and did not even do any warm up before the match. I think for there seems to be some merit in being a bit hungry to play.
 
Practice VS Play

I have my table in pieces right now. You can go to Talk to a Mechanic forum here on AZ to see Diary of an antique brunswick here: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=87941

I do practice a lot and sometimes it is structered with drills, sometimes just hitting balls and sometimes just trying to implement something new.

I will say I have played very good matches lately including a win against a seven beating him 19 to 1 in nine ball just last night. I was concerned because I had not played much this week with my table apart and did not even do any warm up before the match. I think for there seems to be some merit in being a bit hungry to play.
 
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