Pre Flag Master Color Tones....

ChicagoRJ said:
OK, you find out it funny that Tweeten makes Blue Diamond? Well, they don't make blue diamond, so get at least some facts straight before you come on her bashing Tweeten. How can they "refuse" to comment on lead content in BD when they don't make it? Plus, BD does not use lead in their chalk either.

This internet rumor shit is getting ridiculous. Now, some folks will read your garbage and repeat it as gospel. And suddenly, everything is made with lead because some guy said so on the internet. wake up dude.

You even refuse to believe that the master chalk formulas was NOT changed. They added a flag because of 911, that's it, no conspiracy theory, they just added a flag to show their support and they get bashed for some nitwit "conspiracy" garbage. wow.
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Umm why dont you search before you bash people. Tweeten makes blue diamond.... Strait from the horses mouth....

From another site where someone asked tweeten...

There have been quite a few rumors swirling about Blue Diamond Chalk, including one that has Tweeten as the manufacturer of the chalk. I was wondering if you could dispel some of these rumors:

1. Is Blue Diamond made by Tweeten?
2. If so, does Tweeten use a different chalk blend than what they use in Master Chalk?

I did get some information, but it looks like the mysteries around Blue Diamond will continue. Here’s the response from Skip Nemecek, the President of Tweeten Fibre Co.:
“To answer one of your questions, yes we manufacturer Blue Diamond Chalk for the Norditalia company in Italy. Sorry but I cannot answer the second question.”


Also I never bashed tweeten.....I love their chalk I simply stated thats it is a liability for them or any company to admit harmful substances were present in their formulas which has also been proven. Geez people get off your high horse's already.... Maybe do some research...
 
rbpwrd240 said:
1. Is Blue Diamond made by Tweeten?
2. If so, does Tweeten use a different chalk blend than what they use in Master Chalk?

I did get some information, but it looks like the mysteries around Blue Diamond will continue. Here’s the response from Skip Nemecek, the President of Tweeten Fibre Co.:
“To answer one of your questions, yes we manufacturer Blue Diamond Chalk for the Norditalia company in Italy. Sorry but I cannot answer the second question.”


Also I never bashed tweeten.....I love their chalk I simply stated thats it is a liability for them or any company to admit harmful substances were present in their formulas which has also been proven. Geez people get off your high horse's already.... Maybe do some research...
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Ok, I assumed wrong. I was under the impression it was made by Longoni, but they hire Masters to make it. Fair enough. But, what is not fair, is you implying that Tweeten refused to answer whether or not there was lead in their chalk.

That was NEVER asked, and you posted that info yourself. So, how to go from not answering your question about lead when he only responded that he will not tell you if the blend is different?

Yeah, that's a bash accusing the guy of putting lead in chalk with NOT on bit of proof. He would not confirm whether or not it's the same blend as Master Chalk, and you take that as he won't answer a question about lead.

Go buy a lead test at the store and test if yourself rather then your continuation of providing false rumors about a company that has a very good rep in the business.
 
There are lots of things on the internet that suggest pool chalk may have or has lead in it.

Whether the information is valid or not, I don't know.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8657539

Lead compounds are used as coloring agents for numerous products. Two cases of children with elevated blood lead concentrations encountered by the authors suggested that pool cue chalk may serve as a source of environmental lead. The objective of this study was to determine lead content of various brands and colors of pool cue chalk. Atomic absorption analyses were conducted of 23 different types of pool cue chalk for lead content. Three of 23 types of pool cue chalk contained more than 7000 ppm (mg/kg) lead: one manufacturer's green and tangerine chalk and another manufacturer's green chalk. It was concluded that some brands of pool cue chalk contain relatively large amounts of lead and could contribute to childhood lead poisoning.

And another link:

http://seybertsbulletin.com/showthread.php?1194-Don-t-Chalk-This-Up-For-Your-Child-s-Health
 
HawaiianEye said:
There are lots of things on the internet that suggest pool chalk may have or has lead in it.

Whether the information is valid or not, I don't know.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8657539

Lead compounds are used as coloring agents for numerous products. Two cases of children with elevated blood lead concentrations encountered by the authors suggested that pool cue chalk may serve as a source of environmental lead. The objective of this study was to determine lead content of various brands and colors of pool cue chalk. Atomic absorption analyses were conducted of 23 different types of pool cue chalk for lead content. Three of 23 types of pool cue chalk contained more than 7000 ppm (mg/kg) lead: one manufacturer's green and tangerine chalk and another manufacturer's green chalk. It was concluded that some brands of pool cue chalk contain relatively large amounts of lead and could contribute to childhood lead poisoning.

And another link:

http://seybertsbulletin.com/showthread.php?1194-Don-t-Chalk-This-Up-For-Your-Child-s-Health
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yeah, I heard about all that stuff too. Why I tested Magic Chalk before I wanted to sell it or handle it. Plus, my kid was packing stuff before he went off to college.

So, folks, buy a lead kit and test whatever you want. Test mine too. But if there is lead out there, folks should be aware of it.
 
I have some disturbing information on people in general....
....many are easily lead.
 
Seriuslhy I have already posted all this crap. Just read the first page....


Also this was not my question, my question was about time periods not if it had lead or not. Get off your high horse I already spoon fed you all the info you need. Here it is again just for you.....


My question...

I noticed my pre flag master collection has two different colors. I use the blue chalk and one has a lighter brighter blue and one has a darker more of a greenish tone. I was trying to figure out which is the older mixture of the two. Both are pre flag master.

Any input....

Thanks.


Proving there is lead in the chalk as stated due to the pigment....


LOL, No need to make things up....


If you search on here there is a link to a third party test that showed all colors had some lead. Since it was done by weight most including blue were above the current epa standards of 100ppm. Notice the measurement was by kilogram not by piece of chalk or PPM as the current standards are rated.

Green WAS one of the chalk colors that had crazy amounts of lead as was red. The other one everyone noticed was pioneer tangerine.

The info has been posted on AZ many times. Just search it up.

Okay here.....

TABLE 1. Chalk Samples Tested by Good Samaritan Regional
Medical Center


Legend for chart:

A - Brand
B - Color
C - Lead, mg/kg (ppm)

A B C

Crest Blue 30
Imperial Green 20
Master Blue <20
Master Green 7600
Master Green 8000
NTC Black <20
NTC Blue <20
NTC Blue <20
NTC Brown <20
NTC Green 20
NTC Gray <20
NTC Red <20
NTC Tangerine <20
Pioneer Green 7040
ProClassic Blue 20
Silver Cup Blue <20
Sportscraft Blue <20
Superior Gray 20
Superior Tangerine 20
Triangle Brown 20
Triangle Tangerine 30

TABLE 2. Chalk Samples Tested by Mecklenburg County Health
Department

Legend for chart:

A - Brand
B - Color
C - No. of Samples
D - Lead, mg/kg (ppm)
E - Range, mg/kg (ppm)

A B C D E

Master Green 8 6833 6200-7330
Master Red 8 9 4-15
NTC Green 2 2.5 2-3
NTC Red 2 1.5 1-2
Pioneer Blue 6 18 17-23
Pioneer Green 8 8059 6830-9630
Pioneer Tangerine 6 9952 8250-14080

Now that we are past this can we get back on topic......

What is older with the zip code or without....

One other person who has no clue claimed master green wasnt one of them just check the table. I never bashed Tweeten or posted false info, if you believe I did your a snowflake.....

Now please back on topic... And for the last time I am NOT arguing if there is or isnt lead or different mixtures people wake up do your reaserch and make your own assumptions. As for me mine are made up. I am interested in time periods of color and wrapper as stated below....

"I agree the older stuff is the one with zip code and the lighter blue. It has been said (not saying its fact)that the formula changed once in the 70's and again in the late 90's. I believe its even possible that some of the pre flag is still the newest generation after the formula change in the late 90's which is the same as now."

All of this was pulled from this very thread....:eek:
 
rbpwrd240 said:
Seriuslhy I have already posted all this crap. Just read the first page....

One other person who has no clue claimed master green wasnt one of them just check the table. I never bashed Tweeten or posted false info, if you believe I did your a snowflake.....
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IF you believe there is a diff between pre-flag and flag MC, then you are a moronic snowflake. Enjoy :p

And you did bash Tweeten when you said Skip refused to answer you question on lead, but it was not a question lead. Why lie about that. more fake news ?
 
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ChicagoRJ said:
IF you believe there is a diff between pre-flag and flag MC, then you are a moronic snowflake. Enjoy :p

And you did bash Tweeten when you said Skip refused to answer you question on lead, but it was not a question lead. Why lie about that. more fake news ?
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Your dumb....That was posted from someone else not me again read the thread but that is probably too much work for you, its easier to just run your mouth then to actually use facts.... I only posted it from another forum to anwser the question who made blue diamond. So far all of you non researching snowflakes are 0 for 3.
 
The whole "pre-flag" master thing is a giant hoax.
But I have seen color variations in "post-flag" master chalk, depending on age and storage, mostly. Even if there were differences in color, I'd probably guess that the variation is due to differences in the pigments, rather than other parts of the formula.

If you worry about lead exposure, then old green chalk should be avoided.

But there are so many more important sources of lead poisoning than chalk, which I think has to be minimal even for an avid player.
Many of you voted for Trump, wanting him to revive the Coal mining/power industry. Well, I have some sad news for you, if you worry about lead....
Some of you lived in an age were gasoline was leaded, that's not exactly ideal, either...
And others happily blast away thousands of rounds of 22 lr. unjacketed ammunition...
Then again, some of you may have been exposed to leaded paint, maybe even on a large scale, working as painter for instance.
Lead gets stored in your the bones and teeth for years after exposure, and can reenter your blood stream under certain conditions. It gets stored for up to 30 years, so the leaded gasoline may not be as big of an issue much longer, maybe not even the paint. But I'd cut down on the cigarettes, and maybe even the weed...Those may contain lead too. Personally, as a kid I used to fish a lot. I used to use my teeth to bite on lead splitshots in order to fasten them to the line. That couldn't have been good for me, lol.

I think lead poisoning is one of the more scary ways to get poisoned, as it sneaks up on you and gradually destroys your mind, starting very subtly as an increase in impulsiveness, aggression and ending in complete madness. Then of course there is the abdominal pain, coma and death of course, which can't be pleasant either.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...vaggios-madness-caused-by-lead-poisoning.html
 
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rbpwrd240 said:
Your dumb....That was posted from someone else not me again read the thread but that is probably too much work for you, its easier to just run your mouth then to actually use facts.... I only posted it from another forum to anwser the question who made blue diamond. So far all of you non researching snowflakes are 0 for 3.
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And you reposted it here. So what. You're still passing it around as if he didn't want to answer the question about lead.

Yeah, snowflake, that's what they call me in NPR ... lol.
 
^^^^ I call you something simple. Idiot.... Big clap on that one keep arguing Im sure you will show us all how smart you really are.
 
rbpwrd240 said:
^^^^ I call you something simple. Idiot.... Big clap on that one keep arguing Im sure you will show us all how smart you really are.
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There's only one on this thread: you. You've accuse people of not reading, but you're the only one who actually has not done the research. Let me say it again: you are the only person to have not done the research.

The bogus information that you so joyfully post Had been deemed bogus many years if not decades agoago. And yet you say it so quickly and use it as part of your "facts."

I hope you don't get any answers. Seriously. You don't deserve them.
 
Too bad for you a nice fellow already sent me all the info I need. He saw what I saw a bunch of folks that refused to see the question and argued things I wasnt asking then when documented evidence was provided they called rat all while providing none themselves.

Those folks who refuse to see the evidence are simply moronic and would rather live in the dark. Thats fine for me. More pre flag to go around I guess. :thumbup:
 
Chicago RJ Left me bad rep says I cant run three balls and maybe Hillary can teach me. LMAO This from the guy that actually did give out false info and then back it up with no real research done and says Im a democrat when his name has chicago in it and he obviusly forgot his fact checker for this thread. Too funny. Keep leaving bad rep for folks online snowflake no sweat off my nose. Jr...
 
rbpwrd240 said:
Chicago RJ Left me bad rep says I cant run three balls and maybe Hillary can teach me. LMAO This from the guy that actually did give out false info and then back it up with no real research done and says Im a democrat when his name has chicago in it and he obviusly forgot his fact checker for this thread. Too funny. Keep leaving bad rep for folks online snowflake no sweat off my nose. Jr...
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"Wow I cannot believe this nonsense still exists somewhere. 30 years ago when this was started it was determined that the items they tested were in fact counterfeit coming from most likely China. In terms of our products there is no harmful chemicals or anything non natural in our recipes. Sadly once some less then accurate information goes out it obviously seems to stick around like a bad penny.

Cheers,
Skip Nemecek,
President
Tweeten"


30 years this misinformation has been around. 30 years. But, you say you've done your research? Funny.

Can you please just stop. I know there won't be an apology from you, but your "data" has been wrong for 30 years.
 
So whats more likely...


Two reputable testing facilities who purchased chalk to test come out with similar results and both happen to get "supposed" counterfeit product in only a few colors and in the exact same colors but not the others.

Or that a company would want to not admit there was lead in their pigments of their chalk for fear of legal action. Then for some reason later not admit if there is or isnt lead in the current production blue diamond. Hmmm Interesting.

I think your missing the sign's, Joe!!!!

Oh and yes I wouldnt hold your breath on an apology anyone can plainly see that the older chalk has a very different formula then the new stuff even if you take the idea of the lead out of the equation. You can say storage and time play a role but I find it funny that every single piece with the zip code has the same characteristics while every single piece with the abbreviation CHICAGO, ILL has the same characteristics and how every single piece with the flag has a different set of characteristics again the same but different from the others....

Oh and by the way this thread was NEVER supposed to be about the lead, everyone else brought that in not me.... I simply stated factual info that is available to anyone with google. This thread was about the time periods of the wrappers, all these other folks are the ones that cant stay on topic. LOL
 
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