Pre-flag masters - was there really any change?

r9ball

r9ball

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I have been around the billiard business for 30 years so I do have background.
The business I do work for orders Masters by the pallet. Selling Master and other Tweeten products before and after 9/11.
Skip the big honcho at Tweeten has verbally told us and in email on multiple occasions that the flag was added after 9/11 to show that Tweeten products were and will be made in the U.S.A. And that the formula was not and has not changed for decades
Yet some will absolutely not believe his word.
I personally found not difference in pre-flag and flag. I have both.
Any thoughts or anyone got hard proof of changes?,,, I'm curious as to why some think there is really a difference.
Keep Strokin!
 
Skip has assured me on multiple occasions that the only difference is the flag on the label. He keeps saying: "Why would we change something that works? It aint broke!"

But I have some pre-flag Master and anyone who wants to pay me an absurd price may do so. I am suckering you but if you want to buy it I will certainly sell it.
 
No

r9ball said:
I have been around the billiard business for 30 years so I do have background.
The business I do work for orders Masters by the pallet. Selling Master and other Tweeten products before and after 9/11.
Skip the big honcho at Tweeten has verbally told us and in email on multiple occasions that the flag was added after 9/11 to show that Tweeten products were and will be made in the U.S.A. And that the formula was not and has not changed for decades
Yet some will absolutely not believe his word.
I personally found not difference in pre-flag and flag. I have both.
Any thoughts or anyone got hard proof of changes?,,, I'm curious as to why some think there is really a difference.
Keep Strokin!
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No.
But this wont stop anyone lamenting change to their delicate little universe.

Regards,

Lesh
 
I have both. Sad to report I can't see any difference. I think that could also apply to most cues I've owned. Am I the only one who doesn't have a cue that plays
jam-up, lights out or hits like a ton? That doesn't mean I've given up.:frown:
 
Walkermine said:
I have both. Sad to report I can't see any difference. I think that could also apply to most cues I've owned. Am I the only one who doesn't have a cue that plays
jam-up, lights out or hits like a ton? That doesn't mean I've given up.:frown:
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If your cue doesn't do all those things how are you going to get shape and play sporty? :scratchhead:
 
r9ball said:
I have been around the billiard business for 30 years so I do have background.
The business I do work for orders Masters by the pallet. Selling Master and other Tweeten products before and after 9/11.
Skip the big honcho at Tweeten has verbally told us and in email on multiple occasions that the flag was added after 9/11 to show that Tweeten products were and will be made in the U.S.A. And that the formula was not and has not changed for decades
Yet some will absolutely not believe his word.
I personally found not difference in pre-flag and flag. I have both.
Any thoughts or anyone got hard proof of changes?,,, I'm curious as to why some think there is really a difference.
Keep Strokin!
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I've been shootin' pool for almost as many years as you been in the billiard industry and in all those years, I have never noticed any difference or change in playability, overall quality or differences in Masters chalk at all and after trying free samples of chalk from Longoni, Predator, Kamui and Tweeten Fibre Co, Tweeten's Masters billiard chalk is still by far the best, most reliable and consisten brand and formula of billiard chalk on the market to this day and I agree completely with Skip... why try to fix something that isn't broken!

Btw, I'm also shooting with Tweeten Royal Oak cue tips and I can't help wonder why so many people are overlooking these cue tips?... they play very consistent, give plenty of grip on the cueball for spin, but still firm enough to jump with a full cue.
 
TheWizard said:
I've been shootin' pool for almost as many years as you been in the billiard industry and in all those years, I have never noticed any difference or change in playability, overall quality or differences in Masters chalk at all and after trying free samples of chalk from Longoni, Predator, Kamui and Tweeten Fibre Co, Tweeten's Masters billiard chalk is still by far the best, most reliable and consisten brand and formula of billiard chalk on the market to this day and I agree completely with Skip... why try to fix something that isn't broken!

Btw, I'm also shooting with Tweeten Royal Oak cue tips and I can't help wonder why so many people are overlooking these cue tips?... they play very consistent, give plenty of grip on the cueball for spin, but still firm enough to jump with a full cue.
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See that's why you like the Master's chalk, you have a matched set with those tips.
 
Rockin' Robin said:
The pre-flag is the same as the flagged, but the new wrapping paper with the flags has less deflection.
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Just a weird observation, I do believe they changed how the wrapper is made. The older chalks wrapper seemed to be more paper like, and would fade to white pretty fast. The newer wrappers seem like they have some sort or coating on them or are a glossy type paper, and either the coating or the glue they are using can get on your hands sometimes, then onto your cue shaft if you chalk with your bridge hand.
Chuck
 
My input is completely different from everyone on here. I think they are different but not in the sense that it feels different. The difference comes from the consistency of the chalk from cube to cube. I have about 4 dozens of pre flag and flagged masters chalk and will tend to have flagged pieces dry out quickly compared to pre flag that does not. Pre flag also is always a nice dry piece.

Another thing to keep in mind is that the printing on the pre flag is completely different from flagged in the sense that the pre flag print will quickly dull and rub off. Flagged does not. I believe this is so due to the age of the paper/ink. Also pre flag is more pinkish red in color then flagged.

Again, I love using pre flag because I trust that every piece I pull out of my box will be used down to the last bit and a great chalk application.
 
Absolutely not. You will never be able to create a chalk that will allow you to NOT miscue however if your confident in your chalk and how it applies then miscues are minimized.
 
r9ball said:
I have been around the billiard business for 30 years so I do have background.
The business I do work for orders Masters by the pallet. Selling Master and other Tweeten products before and after 9/11.
Skip the big honcho at Tweeten has verbally told us and in email on multiple occasions that the flag was added after 9/11 to show that Tweeten products were and will be made in the U.S.A. And that the formula was not and has not changed for decades
Yet some will absolutely not believe his word.
I personally found not difference in pre-flag and flag. I have both.
Any thoughts or anyone got hard proof of changes?,,, I'm curious as to why some think there is really a difference.
Keep Strokin!
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Good post sir.

I couldn't begin to count the times that I've read on here about pre-flag Masters being way better.

The sad thing is that I believed some of the hype...lol

I have both kinds and Masters has always been my favorite chalk. I keep the flagged Masters on my home table. I carry the pre-flag in my cases to use when I go out to gamble(this is the part where I bought into the hype, better version of Masters, as to not miscue on a money match).

The only thing I could really add to the discussion is the fact that my older pre-flag Masters seams to be a lttle softer and applies more thoroughly. This is probably the reason I bought into the hype, even though nothing may have been changed in the formula.

Good thread OP and I'm looking forward to others chiming in. Masters is the best and I know there are a lot of people who'll agree and have some kind of input to the discussion.
 
I was always taught your stroke had more to do with a mis-cue than chalk did. The guy that taught me that would go several racks without chalking to prove his point. I chalk every shot as part of my pre-shot routine but I can honestly say I very, very, rarely mis-cue in any circumstance. In bar games I don't even bother with chalk and still do very well.
 
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