Total bs. I'm sure the cushions will be 'low-deflection' too.
Just a bunch of bs made up by some marketing geek that's probably never seen a pool table.
Predator Pool Table?
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Just a bunch of bs made up by some marketing geek that's probably never seen a pool table.
I lost track of how a thread about the yet unseen predator table morphed into who designed a Brunswick table almost 100 years ago. Anyway I found this thread from our own Mr Bond that has lots of relevant information:
Origin of Bruns Centennial & Anniversary Model
Cross-posted from main forum for historical relevance: Does anyone know if any of the great players Brunswick had on their payroll had any say or strong imput on a particular tables design from the 1930's to today? Was it a particular player or in house table mechanic that designed the Gold...
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In product development today, the term “design” usually refers to the aesthetic appearance. The term “engineering” refers to how it all works and goes together.
In patents, a “design patent” covers only the aesthetic appearance. A “utility patent” covers only the function.
I came up with what he did.
it says that no where
not upset boxcar posted mis information, i aked him to prove it. you posted no proof either. No one has presented any facts saying he designed it. end of story. TFT
What they probably wanted to mean, not double density but double tensile strength due to high carbon.
I doubt they're using any super hi-strength alloy in this table. Sounds more like pure marketing bs lingo to me.
My guess on this language:
“Its double density carbon-steel provide the most powerful frame and legs.”
After thinking about it more, they may mean the total weight of their frame and legs in steel is twice that of a commercial wood equivalent table.
It will be interesting to see. My guess on price will be 14k USD retail. Predator is the high end in every market they are in. So they will be priced above Diamond and above Brunswick. That’s my guess anyway.
“Its double density carbon-steel provide the most powerful frame and legs.”
After thinking about it more, they may mean the total weight of their frame and legs in steel is twice that of a commercial wood equivalent table.
It will be interesting to see. My guess on price will be 14k USD retail. Predator is the high end in every market they are in. So they will be priced above Diamond and above Brunswick. That’s my guess anyway.
SAM in Spain is building the tables, Predator is just putting their name on it, just like Predator don't build the lights they put their name on, or their Predator cloth, just the name is theirs!!! And NO, Predator hasn't even come close to supporting pool as much as Diamond has!!!!
Just as Nike does not make their shoes . Or Apple make their phones . These companies do not want to deal with manufacturing themselves . They are marketing companies . They just contract manufacturing out . Nike did that in part because of slave labor controversy . They can change contracted manufacturers anytime they want . And the laborers are technically not their workers . it's a smart move for most major brands . Diamond does not make their cushions . Not even the black one . They just stamp their logs on it . And there is nothing wrong with that .
Those companioned are not marketing companies. They have many, many, many engineers on staff that actually design the products we use each and every day. Yes, they have a marketing department, of course. But don't think for a second its all cute marketing girls and not an even bigger team of engineers and designers behind them.
Here's an SAM K Steel 2.
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Yea, but people like Grazar don’t get that. They are short term thinkers in a long term game.
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Yeah because we all know that everything ever presented on the interweb is nothing but proof positive truth and factual. In fact I just received an email over the interweb that says a long lost prince of some small country is reaching out to me for a small loan of only $3,000, in return he's going to share half of his $40,000,000 trust fund with me, gotta go, running to the bank!!!!!
SEND HIM MY SOCIAL AND BANKIN INFO TOO! I know a good deal when I hear it! ESPECIALLY IF I HEARD IT FROM GOOGLE~!
Yeah because we all know that everything ever presented on the interweb is nothing but proof positive truth and factual. In fact I just received an email over the interweb that says a long lost prince of some small country is reaching out to me for a small loan of only $3,000, in return he's going to share half of his $40,000,000 trust fund with me, gotta go, running to the bank!!!!!
Again, if Brunswick had someone like Donald D involved in ANY way, there would be FACTS supporting it. If you do any type of research on the guy at all, you will find that during those times: ANY AND ALL PROJECTS HE DID ARE PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE AND PROVABLE!
I really, really doubt Brunswick would have any reason to keep any of it a secret...
TFT
Trent,
I'm not sure why you replied to garcar? Anyway, this statement below is extracted straight out of the Brunswick history site, they do boast about having ties to Donald Deskey...link provided below as well. They basically give him at least partial credit for the Paramount table and modernizing billiards halls and bowling alleys, furthermore the FIDSA link below states his ties to post WWII Brunswick as well.
"Donald Deskey, one of America's most creative and diverse designers, created everything from the Crest toothpaste tube and logo to the interiors of Radio City Music Hall in NYC. He designed for the Brunswick Company in the late 1930s, modernizing the interiors of the billiard halls and bowling alleys to create a more "family-friendly" atmosphere. Out of that collaboration came the Paramount pool table, one of the most beautiful Brunswick creations to date.
Below is a extract from FIDSA (Industrial Designers Society of America) He clearly had ties to Brunswick post war as well. link below.
"Deskey designed exhibits at the New York World’s Fair in 1939 and helped create the industrial design department at New York University in 1940. He formed Donald Deskey Associates in mid-1940s and was one of the fifteen founders of the Society of Industrial Designers in 1944. That same year he designed the original much-imitated concept of a post-war bowling center for Brunswick-Balke-Collender Company".
www.idsa.org
Donald Deskey died in the late 80's and gifted many of his drawings from Donald Deskey and Associates to the Smithsonian at Cooper-Hewitt Design Museum in NY. Here is a link to those drawings, some of them are not digitized as of yet, but interesting stuff, at least I think it is. He designed anything from high-end cigarette lighters to plastic blow mold snow sleds. He does have a few Brunswick drawings in this collection as well.
collection.cooperhewitt.org
Okay I'm done getting off-topic about this, but it was interesting. It really makes no difference to me who designed what, if I like it, I like it. I will say again, that the owners, or their designees, of high end Art-Deco furniture shops are more than likely the closest to Subject Matter Experts (SME) on this subject than anyone else on the planet, so if they put a name to a brand I would be willing to bet that they have done their homework, and then some. So if 100% of those shops state "Donald Deskey for Brunswick" on an item for sale, then you need to ask them how they come up with that and I bet the owner will be more than glad to prove it to you. They are probably ready to litigate that if need be.
We also have our own Brunswick SME in AZ member Will Prout, from all the pics I've seen of his collection he could very easily open a museum and be the curator. I know I'd pay money to see it.
I'm not sure why you replied to garcar? Anyway, this statement below is extracted straight out of the Brunswick history site, they do boast about having ties to Donald Deskey...link provided below as well. They basically give him at least partial credit for the Paramount table and modernizing billiards halls and bowling alleys, furthermore the FIDSA link below states his ties to post WWII Brunswick as well.
"Donald Deskey, one of America's most creative and diverse designers, created everything from the Crest toothpaste tube and logo to the interiors of Radio City Music Hall in NYC. He designed for the Brunswick Company in the late 1930s, modernizing the interiors of the billiard halls and bowling alleys to create a more "family-friendly" atmosphere. Out of that collaboration came the Paramount pool table, one of the most beautiful Brunswick creations to date.
Below is a extract from FIDSA (Industrial Designers Society of America) He clearly had ties to Brunswick post war as well. link below.
"Deskey designed exhibits at the New York World’s Fair in 1939 and helped create the industrial design department at New York University in 1940. He formed Donald Deskey Associates in mid-1940s and was one of the fifteen founders of the Society of Industrial Designers in 1944. That same year he designed the original much-imitated concept of a post-war bowling center for Brunswick-Balke-Collender Company".
Donald Deskey, FIDSA - Industrial Designers Society of America
US industrial and packaging designer. He was born in Blue Earth, MN, studied architecture at the University of California, Berkeley, CA, and painting at the
Donald Deskey died in the late 80's and gifted many of his drawings from Donald Deskey and Associates to the Smithsonian at Cooper-Hewitt Design Museum in NY. Here is a link to those drawings, some of them are not digitized as of yet, but interesting stuff, at least I think it is. He designed anything from high-end cigarette lighters to plastic blow mold snow sleds. He does have a few Brunswick drawings in this collection as well.
Search results for "Donald Deskey" | Collection of Cooper Hewitt, Smithsonian Design Museum
collection.cooperhewitt.org
Okay I'm done getting off-topic about this, but it was interesting. It really makes no difference to me who designed what, if I like it, I like it. I will say again, that the owners, or their designees, of high end Art-Deco furniture shops are more than likely the closest to Subject Matter Experts (SME) on this subject than anyone else on the planet, so if they put a name to a brand I would be willing to bet that they have done their homework, and then some. So if 100% of those shops state "Donald Deskey for Brunswick" on an item for sale, then you need to ask them how they come up with that and I bet the owner will be more than glad to prove it to you. They are probably ready to litigate that if need be.
We also have our own Brunswick SME in AZ member Will Prout, from all the pics I've seen of his collection he could very easily open a museum and be the curator. I know I'd pay money to see it.
IT IS A FACT HE WORKED ON THE PARAMOUNT. IT IS ALSO A FACT HE DID NOT DESIGN THE ANNY OR CENTENNIAL.Trent,
I'm not sure why you replied to garcar? Anyway, this statement below is extracted straight out of the Brunswick history site, they do boast about having ties to Donald Deskey...link provided below as well. They basically give him at least partial credit for the Paramount table and modernizing billiards halls and bowling alleys, furthermore the FIDSA link below states his ties to post WWII Brunswick as well.
"Donald Deskey, one of America's most creative and diverse designers, created everything from the Crest toothpaste tube and logo to the interiors of Radio City Music Hall in NYC. He designed for the Brunswick Company in the late 1930s, modernizing the interiors of the billiard halls and bowling alleys to create a more "family-friendly" atmosphere. Out of that collaboration came the Paramount pool table, one of the most beautiful Brunswick creations to date.
Below is a extract from FIDSA (Industrial Designers Society of America) He clearly had ties to Brunswick post war as well. link below.
"Deskey designed exhibits at the New York World’s Fair in 1939 and helped create the industrial design department at New York University in 1940. He formed Donald Deskey Associates in mid-1940s and was one of the fifteen founders of the Society of Industrial Designers in 1944. That same year he designed the original much-imitated concept of a post-war bowling center for Brunswick-Balke-Collender Company".
Donald Deskey, FIDSA - Industrial Designers Society of America
US industrial and packaging designer. He was born in Blue Earth, MN, studied architecture at the University of California, Berkeley, CA, and painting at the
Donald Deskey died in the late 80's and gifted many of his drawings from Donald Deskey and Associates to the Smithsonian at Cooper-Hewitt Design Museum in NY. Here is a link to those drawings, some of them are not digitized as of yet, but interesting stuff, at least I think it is. He designed anything from high-end cigarette lighters to plastic blow mold snow sleds. He does have a few Brunswick drawings in this collection as well.
Search results for "Donald Deskey" | Collection of Cooper Hewitt, Smithsonian Design Museum
Okay I'm done getting off-topic about this, but it was interesting. It really makes no difference to me who designed what, if I like it, I like it. I will say again, that the owners, or their designees, of high end Art-Deco furniture shops are more than likely the closest to Subject Matter Experts (SME) on this subject than anyone else on the planet, so if they put a name to a brand I would be willing to bet that they have done their homework, and then some. So if 100% of those shops state "Donald Deskey for Brunswick" on an item for sale, then you need to ask them how they come up with that and I bet the owner will be more than glad to prove it to you. They are probably ready to litigate that if need be.
We also have our own Brunswick SME in AZ member Will Prout, from all the pics I've seen of his collection he could very easily open a museum and be the curator. I know I'd pay money to see it.
TFT
Huh?? You ever watch pool on-line at all? Damn near everything you watch has 'Predator' plastered on the players, the banners, etc. They are a global company and i wouldn't be surprised if their sponsorship/promotional budget isn't bigger than Diamond's.