Predator WPA World 8 Ball Championship 2023 (17-22 Oct 2023), Austria, Winner $75K

This event did have ball in hand behind the head string after a foul on the break, as did last year's event.
It may have been me that started that rumor 😳

Bob J corrected me though.

One minor detail that I think makes a huge difference with the racking is the wearing of gloves. Trying to get a tight manual rack with gloves on is difficult. You really lose a lot of feel with them on. Get the gloves off and the rack quality would improve, maybe enough that we would stop complaining about them.
 
This event did have ball in hand behind the head string after a foul on the break, as did last year's World 8-Ball event.
My bad, I'm obviously mistaken. Basement Dweller had misreported on this, as noted in Post #301. Bob Jewett corrected him another post, which I missed. Thanks for the correction.
 
One minor detail that I think makes a huge difference with the racking is the wearing of gloves. Trying to get a tight manual rack with gloves on is difficult. You really lose a lot of feel with them on. Get the gloves off and the rack quality would improve, maybe enough that we would stop complaining about them.
Interesting take. I've never given this any thought.
 
To avoid any rumors on the rules, one has simply to read them :) It is not either confidential info or rocket science.
Gloves/no gloves theory is funny. Once you have proper equipment gloves do never interfere with you providing a tight rack. And as far as I know Aero triangle (love it or hate it, though I'm yet to see a person who did not throw a rock at them) gives as tight a rack as one could wish for.
 
@sjm Stu, would you love "push-out 9-ball" more than Texas Express rules then? You get to see even more tactical battles from the very beginning of every given rack.
(something makes me feel you would not and probably say that the current version by MR is balanced enough. But is it, really?)

Call shot Call safe version of 10-Ball would be a great game for pros and viewers. Much better than 9-Ball.
 
To avoid any rumors on the rules, one has simply to read them :) It is not either confidential info or rocket science.
Gloves/no gloves theory is funny. Once you have proper equipment gloves do never interfere with you providing a tight rack. And as far as I know Aero triangle (love it or hate it, though I'm yet to see a person who did not throw a rock at them) gives as tight a rack as one could wish for.
I've played a lot of pool and I'm pretty good at racking. If I had to rack with loose cotton gloves on, I'd have a hard time racking the balls well. I need just a bit of friction between my hands and the balls to get the proper feedback and to ensure I'm getting the balls tight. You lose that with gloves on.

I know it looks more professional having the gloves on and they want to keep the balls clean. Maybe it's just me.
 
@sjm Stu, would you love "push-out 9-ball" more than Texas Express rules then? You get to see even more tactical battles from the very beginning of every given rack.
That's the game I played in my youth and, no, I didn't like it as much as Texas Express. The single biggest reason is that I don't feel you should be permitted to push out when you've hooked yourself. In my view, one should pay full penalty for position misplayed. For the same reason, I don't like the jump cue, but if it's use were limited to the first shot of an inning, then I'm fine with it.

Call shot Call safe version of 10-Ball would be a great game for pros and viewers. Much better than 9-Ball.
Call shot call safe litigates much of the game's imagination out by disqualifying the two way shot. In general, I don't like call shot games, and I feel call shot contributed greatly to the end of the straight pool era, even though straight pool without it is ridiculous. There need not be a clear distinction between offense and defense, and Texas Express rotation games allow for playing them together in many situations. These are the kind of shots that get me most excited when I watch top level pool. In snooker, the greatest cueing test of all, there's no call shot, so why should rotation pool require it? In snooker, playing offense and defense together is standard fare.

But again, to each his own. There's no right answer.
 
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This event did have ball in hand behind the head string after a foul on the break, as did last year's World 8-Ball event.
I can’t believe I’m the only person that liked this post. Real, actual, accurate, information. It’s a thing.
 
I haven’t read all 16 pages but, the first page has the rules and it said alternating break. Looked liked winner was breaking.
 
I wonder if tighter pockets would solve most of the issues with this event. I don’t really think the break was the problem, it was just that, in eight ball, you’ll virtually always have a shot after the break, and almost always run out from there. The game is too easy for them, the break is t too difficult.

i think so, tighter pockets together with take what you make would improve the tournament.

i don't mind the break being difficult, but it should be difficult for the right reason and not because of how well the balls are racked. a reverse break box makes it tougher and gives more congested layouts, as we saw with the side breakers in this event
 
Congrats SVB! You could tell in the post match interview that he was truly thrilled to win this title. I think he realizes just how difficult it is becoming with the current line up of pros...

As for the event, it was very entertaining to me. I can't understand how a forum full of fans continually say that this game is too easy for pros. The world champion said it himself, to paraphrase, "this format was really tough." Surely didn't seem like he just skipped in there and non chalantly won.

Personally, I like the pattern play and pre-planning the breakouts and trouble balls.

It was a nice change to see the pros playing the most played game in the US, and possibly the world. This fan would love tonsee more 8 ball tourneys:)
 
Where I come from, ‘slow playing’ is pondering , looking like you’re considering folding the final all in bet when you have the guaranteed winner…..considered bad form.
That's more of a slow roll rather than a slow play
 
This event did have ball in hand behind the head string after a foul on the break, as did last year's World 8-Ball event.
There might be some confusion because CSI/BCAPL/USAPL has changed to BIH anywhere after a scratch on the break.
 
One minor detail that I think makes a huge difference with the racking is the wearing of gloves. Trying to get a tight manual rack with gloves on is difficult. You really lose a lot of feel with them on. Get the gloves off and the rack quality would improve, maybe enough that we would stop complaining about them.
Hand racking requires getting your palms involved. I have dry smooth hands but plate glass says different. Knuckle racking seems logical but that's an automatic slug subject to rack compression and both rack and ball tolerances. I have no answers. I try to roll the balls into each other bare handed; fingerprints and all...
Wait. One possible. Surgical glove palms. The right design would probably work.
 
World 8-Ball was resurrected by Predator recently, so men are to play it annually. I could only hope women get their fair chance to have a world championship at 8-Ball as well. So far there were none, right?

And I strongly disagree about 8-Ball being called en easy game. It differs from rotation games, and end of story. There are no easy or hard (same as there are no easy shots on the pool table).
I did not say Eight Ball was an easy game! What I did say was that Eight Ball on a big table with these rules (especially Open Table after the break when you make a ball) is an easier game than Ten Ball. I stand by that statement.
 
Yes, it's very odd, although there is a men's World 10-ball in March in Las Vegas, so maybe it's not such a big deal. Then again, having the women play chess while the men play checkers does feel weird.

Just as odd are WPA rules changes in this generation that have made a) the already easy game of eight ball easier (no more "take what you make" and "ball in hand anywhere rather than in the kitchen after an opening scratch) and b) the already difficult game of ten ball harder ("call shot" and "ten ball last").

These are not the versions of professional eight and ten ball that I watched back in the day, and in each case, the changes made were unnecessary and have made each game, at least for this fan, worse. I wonder what changes are coming next. Maybe "choice of stripes or solids on every trip to the table" is coming soon.
I'm with you here Stu 100%!
 
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