Print Shop printing 16 player bracket board wrong!

Snapshot9

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This the 2nd Pool room in Wichita that has a 16 player tournament bracket board wrong. I proved it to the 1st a couple of years ago, but it seems like the Pool rooms are all getting their bracket boards done at the same place.

I recognized the mistake because my profession is computing software and logic.

In the 3rd round on the winner's side (commonly referenced with a B), or the quarterfinals on the winner's side, the loser's of those 2 matches go 'straight across' to the left side. Looking at it from the top left side, it would have the loser of B1 first, and loser of B2 in the bottom half of the bracket.

A print shop, here in town, has been making boards, with B2 first, and B1 below it, which is wrong.

The logic behind the bracket board is the first starting round losers, go straight to the left, the 2nd round losers cross to the other half, the 3rd round losers go straight across, etc.

All odd number rounds (1,3,5,7, etc) go straight across, all even number rounds (2,4,6, 8, etc) will cross to the other half of the bracket on the losers side. This logic is true of ALL brackets.

With a wrong bracket board, 2 players can play on the right side, and then if the winner of the first loses in the next round, they can end up playing again, and they should not play again unless they are both in the semi-final match of the loser's side.

I have printed out 3 different 16 player tournament brackets from different Internet sources to take to show the owner of the Pool room here in Wichita that his bracket board is wrong, so he can correct it.

Question - Is anything like this happening in your city where you play? If so, then I suggest you do like I did, and print out 2-4 copies of a 16 player tournament bracket to show the room owner like I am going to do.

(In the 1st Pool room I corrected, someone tried to tell me the 16 player tournament bracket had different logic than a 8, 32, 64, player bracket, which is absolutely FALSE)
 
the only reason the brackes flip on the one loss side is to extend the chances of a player being defeated by the same player twice.

If the players and the TDs are ok with the current bracket format, what is the big deal?



(In the 1st Pool room I corrected, someone tried to tell me the 16 player tournament bracket had different logic than a 8, 32, 64, player bracket, which is absolutely FALSE)
 
The big deal is

the board is wrong. They currently have the 2nd and 3rd round losers crossing on the loser's side, which pits loser's and round 2 and 3 against each other again right away.

I don't know about you, but I want to play a tournament with a RIGHT tournament board, and not one that is wrong. Why should Pool rooms play with an incorrect format simply because the same Print Shop printed the board wrong?????? (and yes, I plan to go to the Print Shop, and get them to correct their copy of a 16 player tournament bracket, so the error will not pop up in other Pool rooms around Wichita).

All the room owners have to do on their boards is to switch B2 and B1, so that it reads B1 and B2 from top to bottom on the left side.
 
If you printed out examples from the internet with 16 player DE brackets that show the correct way, wouldn't that help convince the owners and the print shop the correct sequence?

the board is wrong. They currently have the 2nd and 3rd round losers crossing on the loser's side, which pits loser's and round 2 and 3 against each other again right away.

I don't know about you, but I want to play a tournament with a RIGHT tournament board, and not one that is wrong. Why should Pool rooms play with an incorrect format simply because the same Print Shop printed the board wrong?????? (and yes, I plan to go to the Print Shop, and get them to correct their copy of a 16 player tournament bracket, so the error will not pop up in other Pool rooms around Wichita).

All the room owners have to do on their boards is to switch B2 and B1, so that it reads B1 and B2 from top to bottom on the left side.
 
I have printed out 3 different 16 player tournament brackets from different Internet sources to take to show the owner of the Pool room here in Wichita that his bracket board is wrong, so he can correct it.

Question - Is anything like this happening in your city where you play? If so, then I suggest you do like I did, and print out 2-4 copies of a 16 player tournament bracket to show the room owner like I am going to do.

Tom... Did you not read my first post very carefully?
 
[q]Question - Is anything like this happening in your city where you play? If so, then I suggest you do like I did, and print out 2-4 copies of a 16 player tournament bracket to show the room owner like I am going to do.[/q]

sorry, I didn't answer this question.....

No, we don't have any issues with any of the pool halls with a 16 player bracket.

All the brackets have B1 to LB1 going straigh across... no flip
Same with B2 and LB2
 
Snapshot, why are you assuming the printer made a mistake? Printers are given files or artwork to reproduce what a customer wants. The origonal customer most likley furnished them art with the error already there. On all future printings they have just pulled origonal files and reprinted job. 30 years in the buisness and its up to customer to check proofs and make any corrections before printing. You need to get the person paying for the printing to have the corrections done. As a printer i wouldnt change anything on your say, you arent paying for the printing. Hope that gets you to the right person.
 
Print Shop 16 Player Bracket

Snapshot, why are you assuming the printer made a mistake? Printers are given files or artwork to reproduce what a customer wants. The origonal customer most likley furnished them art with the error already there. On all future printings they have just pulled origonal files and reprinted job. 30 years in the buisness and its up to customer to check proofs and make any corrections before printing. You need to get the person paying for the printing to have the corrections done. As a printer i wouldnt change anything on your say, you arent paying for the printing. Hope that gets you to the right person.

Agree, the customer normally signs off on the final proof, any errors found after that are his {or her} problem. {although most print shops try to make it as painless as possible}.
 
... Question - Is anything like this happening in your city where you play? ...
Not now, but a local TD used to not flip the losers because it made scheduling more difficult. Personally, I think the solution is to use something other than double elimination.
 
Fluidstroke and Book Collector

I am sure you two are right about what you said, but I don't know who first gave the Print Shop the original bracket, but it looks like they are using their first old original (given to them by a customer or at least approved by the original customer) to make bracket boards for multiple Pool rooms, therefore continuing the error on the bracket around town.

I just want to get the room where I play now corrected on their 16 player bracket board.
 
Not now, but a local TD used to not flip the losers because it made scheduling more difficult. Personally, I think the solution is to use something other than double elimination.

What is preferable to you Bob?
 
What is preferable to you Bob?
Round robin all the way through, but this is only suitable in situations where the goal is to best determine the champion and you have enough time and tables. See the last article below.

Round robin in the prelims going to single elimination. Adjust the size of the RR to available tables.

Or, single elimination minis with buy-back.

Here are some articles on tournament formats:

http://www.sfbilliards.com/articles/2001-11.pdf
http://www.sfbilliards.com/articles/2001-12.pdf
http://www.sfbilliards.com/articles/2002-01.pdf
http://www.sfbilliards.com/articles/2006-11.pdf
 
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