Pro 1 and SEE Aiming System's will sell like hotcakes

the pdf is written into detail. I am sure if you have questions ekkes would answer it. I recommend this product to anyone.:smile:
 
Neil said:
It wasn't just aiming that you lost, but position play too. Sounds like you were looking for a quick magic bullet. This isn't it. You actually have to put in some time with it. But, when you do, just like with CTE/Pro One, THEN you reap the rewards.;)
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This is exactly right. There is some SUPER AMAZING information in the book and videos on position play that is worth the price of the book by itself.
 
I've been using the SEE system for a couple of weeks now. It works pretty well for me, particularly on cut shots. The system is not just about aim though. It includes a banking system and methods to determine where the cue ball will go after striking the object ball.

I'm not saying it's good or bad, just that I've found it helpful.

I personally asked Darren about the SEE system at the just concluded U.S. Open. "Did you endorse it? Do you actually use it?" Simple answer was "yes" to both.
 
Gerrys Busted!

theUBC said:
@Gerry Williams

I will refund your money.
Although it is quite interesting that you managed to purchase the product, at 16:09 read 90 pages, understand it, work on it and watch all videos (50 minutes) and then decide 18 minutes later (at 16:27 minutes) that you want to get your money back because it is not very consumable...

I don't want to have any discussion that's why

THIS IS THE FIRST AND THE LAST TIME THAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS WILL HAPPEN.

When you open a CD that you bought you can not give it back and ask for a refund because you were able to copy the content although you give back the product.

In this case you can not even give back the product.

Anyway have look on your paypal account.


On the other side I love Joe Tucker and his products too and recommand them to anyone. Ask him about the SEE_SYSTEM-He took his time for it...:thumbup:
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Its too easy to bash somthing after jsut 19 mins. Your Busted
 
Aiming Systems

Ekkes and I recently traded digital copies of our aiming systems. I am studying his SEE System and he is studying my Reflection System. I can report that Ekkes comments to me so far were that he was finding many similarities in the two systems, I can say the same in return. Whether you use the Light Reflections or the Shadows, there will be many similarities in how you determine the aiming point.

There will never be that one magic aiming system that works for everyone, so whether it is the SEE, Reflection, or Ghost Ball system, find the one that is the easiest for you to understand, and then put in the work!!

In my book I recommend learning from as many sources as possible, you never know until you try! and each of the systems may have that 1 or 2 things that will help your game. So why not learn them all, and go to the table as well armed as you can!! after all Pool is mainly a game of Knowledge, the skill is in putting that knowledge to use. I am finding things in the SEE System that I can add to my knowledge of the Reflection System and apply at the table.

Note:
Since my book is meant to be used at the table as a workbook, I do not offer a Digital Copy for Sale. My trade with Ekkes was a one time only thing.
 
TheCutShot said:
Ekkes and I recently traded digital copies of our aiming systems. I am studying his SEE System and he is studying my Reflection System. I can report that Ekkes comments to me so far were that he was finding many similarities in the two systems, I can say the same in return. Whether you use the Light Reflections or the Shadows, there will be many similarities in how you determine the aiming point.

There will never be that one magic aiming system that works for everyone, so whether it is the SEE, Reflection, or Ghost Ball system, find the one that is the easiest for you to understand, and then put in the work!!

In my book I recommend learning from as many sources as possible, you never know until you try! and each of the systems may have that 1 or 2 things that will help your game. So why not learn them all, and go to the table as well armed as you can!! after all Pool is mainly a game of Knowledge, the skill is in putting that knowledge to use. I am finding things in the SEE System that I can add to my knowledge of the Reflection System and apply at the table.

Note:
Since my book is meant to be used at the table as a workbook, I do not offer a Digital Copy for Sale. My trade with Ekkes was a one time only thing.
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That's too bad. Also you stated you won't sell to anyone in China so that leaves me out. But I am quite happy with the See system and the ProOne DVD, both of which have plenty of content.

Since you are here though what do you do when the light source is not directly over the table? Sometimes I play in places where the lighting is pretty bad. Does your light reflection method account for that? And is is original to you or substantially the same as found in older books and as taught by Ron Vitello?
 
The light reflections and shadow system was told to me in secret by an old timer.
It took about 30 seconds before I asked the same question.
What if the light source is somewhere else?
There was confusion on the other end.
 
Hi

Yes I use the system and actually was pretty similar to what I used before I even meet ekk.. It's helped me alot ESP under pressure :-)

I don't endorse anything unless I believe in it..

For example I got offered kamui chalk but it's wasn't for me after trying it out..not saying it not good but I personally don't like the chalk..

I love this system and I think it very easy to follow ..

Good luck guys

Darren Appleton
 
Wolven said:
The light reflections and shadow system was told to me in secret by an old timer.
It took about 30 seconds before I asked the same question.
What if the light source is somewhere else?
There was confusion on the other end.
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shadows and lights may differ from each table. But after practice you will find that you will remember the ball to ball relationship of each shot before pivot.
 
JB Cases said:
That's too bad. Also you stated you won't sell to anyone in China so that leaves me out. But I am quite happy with the See system and the ProOne DVD, both of which have plenty of content.

Since you are here though what do you do when the light source is not directly over the table? Sometimes I play in places where the lighting is pretty bad. Does your light reflection method account for that? And is is original to you or substantially the same as found in older books and as taught by Ron Vitello?
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I have had 1 customer that reported that his lights were off to the side of his table and that he was still able to use the system effectively. Since I wrote the book I have learned about an older Reflection system called "The Holy Light" that you were supposed to use the Reflections created by the regular lighting in the room instead of the over the table lights.

As far as I know my system is original to me, I have never heard of Ron Vitello, but I will check his system out and see how similar we are, if I can find it.

The Perfect Lighting setup for a Reflection aiming system would be to have 6 lights over the table, 1 light directly over each of the 6 pockets, then all you have to do is to aim for the Reflection directly opposite of the pocket you are trying to make the ball in. I've only seen this lighting setup used once though and that was at a Pro tournament on the TV table.

To JB Cases - I am sorry about not selling my book to China, but I don't think you understand how truly tired Americans are of having everything we buy being made in China, and that all of our good paying jobs went to China. It's nothing against you personally, you are probably a very nice person, just as other people from China that I have met. I'm just trying to protect the only job I have left!
 
I received a copy of the SEE system. Have yet to digest it all and watch the videos, although I did skim through the 90 pages and printed them out for reference when practicing some day. In a major slump right now so trying to figure that out before introducing any new information... :angry:

I can't comment on whether it works or not, or how it compares to other systems (90/90, CTE/Pro1, etc.), but I can say that the material is explained well with lots of thorough diagrams. Even if the aiming stuff ends up not being applicable to your game, there is a ton of information on throw, banking, reference lines, and position play that seems very useful all by itself. I'm sure Ekkes would be happy to answer any questions on his material if you buy it and don't understand something.

Scott
 
So I decided to check both sites out and the one thing that bothers me is this. What am I getting? Sure, a sample video and course outline is great...it mimics every other outline on the planet. What makes these systems work? Make me want to buy this! So what, you see a few cut shots and banks, again, same as everyone else's aiming system. There is nothing on either of these sites that jumps out and says, YOU NEED THIS! With that said, will it really "help" my game? Besides testimonials, of which you will seldom see a negative one posted, where is something on the site that shows me a nibble of what I'm getting? A course outline isn't going to cut it. How about a snippet from an actual lesson? Something I can grab onto and then run and grab my credit card and order?

It's bad enough that the "owners/promoters" of these systems are going back and forth with nonsense arguments. But you're basing the majority of how awesome this system is based on a US Open winner. While that's great, show me something!! Anything, that I can latch on to and WANT this product. Bickering aside, does anyone else feel this way?
 
TheCutShot said:
I have had 1 customer that reported that his lights were off to the side of his table and that he was still able to use the system effectively. Since I wrote the book I have learned about an older Reflection system called "The Holy Light" that you were supposed to use the Reflections created by the regular lighting in the room instead of the over the table lights.

As far as I know my system is original to me, I have never heard of Ron Vitello, but I will check his system out and see how similar we are, if I can find it.

The Perfect Lighting setup for a Reflection aiming system would be to have 6 lights over the table, 1 light directly over each of the 6 pockets, then all you have to do is to aim for the Reflection directly opposite of the pocket you are trying to make the ball in. I've only seen this lighting setup used once though and that was at a Pro tournament on the TV table.

To JB Cases - I am sorry about not selling my book to China, but I don't think you understand how truly tired Americans are of having everything we buy being made in China, and that all of our good paying jobs went to China. It's nothing against you personally, you are probably a very nice person, just as other people from China that I have met. I'm just trying to protect the only job I have left!
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You are free to discriminate however you want to. I don't understand your position. You think that someone from China would buy your book and then copy it and sell it back to the USA? IF they wanted to do that they they would simply buy your book by having it sent to a US address.

Your business was defunct until Randy sought you out and helped to bring it back to life. As a businessman who sells to everyone all over the world I find your stance irrational. Not only do you cut yourself off from potentially more sales but you also offend Chinese people in lands that you do want to sell to. This is just me but if I were a second or third generation Chinese American I would probably be offended at your "won't sell to China" stance and also elect not to buy your book.

Anyway, this thread is about the SEE System and Stan Shuffet's ProOne.

Darren Appleton won the US Open using the the SEE system and Stan Shuffet got to the 25th rank using ProOne. Both of these systems are available for sale to all places around the world - www.see-system.com for the SEE System and www.justcueit.com for the ProOne system.

Stan Shuffet also was a sponsor of this year's broadcast and I would like to thank him for sponsoring pool.
 
AimingVoodoo said:
Earl has won the most US Opens, so why don't people use his aiming system?
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IF Earl came out with a book/dvd telling me how he aims/plays then I damn sure would buy it. You make a very good point.

I think it would the coolest DVD EVER if someone would get a lot of US Open champions together and make a DVD where each of them gave up their thoughts on aiming, execution, strategy, nerves, etc.... kind of a an instructional round table with examples.

I imagine it would run the full gamut from "I just play" to "I use a deliberate routine"
 
OK... Neil said it was worth it and I held off... John Barton comes on and I am still skeptical.... You got Darren on here?? He was playing so well in the finals I was laughing out loud at how easy he was making things look.... There were several replays that didn't make the stream that I ran over and over unable to do anything but laugh......

Last question.... Ekkes... You will answer questions asked in the forum and thru PMs? As long as that is a resounding yes you will have my cash within 5 minutes of seeing the answer........
 
SEE-System

Hey guys

As with any thing else in this world there exist different opinions regarding something new.

Nevertheless I don't like discussions like these here. I didn't like it on all the CTE threads or the perfect aim threads before.

I am playing pool since 1987. I only got better because I asked others how they do this and that. I bought many many books and DVDs. I got training from several instructors and became an instructor myself in 2008.

As I was open minded I got some information from every book/DVD/instructor that helped my game. I managed it like beeing on a gala night with a big dinner buffet. I tried all and when I came back to get my second plate I only took what I liked...

Doing this a became quite a decent player with a straight pool high run of 132 balls. I will never win the US OPEN even not with my SEE-SYSTEM that I invented within a long period of time because I don't have the time to play pool 7 hours a day 6 days a week, but I make a lot of balls now with more confidence because now I see how I have to play them.

I put a lot of effort in my book/video. Although it is not a hollywood production it gets the job done to help all of you to get very good and important information!

Some of you may like the aiming part-others will only like the natural cue ball path/banking. This product is not for beginners neither. And like on a dancing workshop some will grasp the "moves" faster than others.

I will help anyone who has questions regarding the SEE-SYSTEM via mail
or skype/phone. Sometimes it will take some days but I will offer you help!

OK I ask you all to calm a little and everyone who is willing to learn something new and efficient if he/she is willing to put effort in it is invited to buy my product that Darren uses, endorses and that I have invented.

Best from Germany:thumbup:

EKKES
 
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