Pro level players entered in Bca open events

[cleary]

Why???, maybe because he finished 17th at the US Open and Turning Stone pro level tournaments last year. He lost 9-7 at turning stone to Alex Pagulayan it's on YouTube
Can Alex also play in the Open division in that case?

They aren't really clear with what "open" really means. It's my understanding the open division is for average players and somewhat advanced players but not fav against the ghost players. It's tough to regulate I guess.


They made me play in "advanced" scotch doubles because me and my partner "qualified in different leagues" yet we are both able to play in the open singles. It makes no sense. Also, half of that CSI office knows me personally and they know damn well I can't make a ball which is even more frustrating.

 

[DaddysVisa]

The problem with kicking the top 5 guys out of the event is that now the 6th best guy looks like he is stealing.

Where does it end?

The BCAPL has been bumping some people back into the open every year of late and at times it is deserved, other times those getting bumped back go to Vegas and rob the place. About 2 years ago two of the best bar box players from Calgary got dropped back into the open division, well sure enough they went down and entered it and they both ended up playing each other deep on the final board on the A-Side and then deeper yet on the B-Side. I think they chopped close to 5 digits up between them.

As good as some of the guys from the states are there are a few guys I see in this years open event from Canada they are going to be in tough against.

Plus, I am not sure how good Chris Gentile is at 8-ball but that guy got second place in the US Open 1-pocket against an absolutely stacked field.

http://www.azbilliards.com/tours_an...us-open-one-pocket-championship-2011/results/

I for one would not really be looking forward to playing him were I anyone on that list. He actually BEAT Alex into 3rd place, and Alex is a monster at 1-pocket.

At the end of the day I would just let them play, but the BCAPL set a pretty strong precedent when they took the winnings away from the two Taiwanese players AFTER they won the money. I think they need a pretty strong hand when it comes to keeping pro level players out if they don't want to look biased at this point.

I'm pretty sure there are two Chris Gentiles. The pro=level one is from Chicago, the other one (and prob the one you spotted in the open list) is from Florida I believe.

 

[Gunn_Slinger]

I dont know about Brunner, but Mastermaker has a job in the car business, and I think Ron works also, + Ron is past his prime....sorry Ron...you still play good.

 

[8BallWonderland]

I don't think they are full time pro players.
I think they have shown multiple times that they play at the pro level, maybe not the top but when they beat the likes of Brandon Shuff and Justin Bergman in pro tournaments, then on known ability they are at least Master level at BCA nationals.

http://www.azbilliards.com/news/sto...tle-over-stottlemyer-on-the-action-pool-tour/

http://www.azbilliards.com/people/5708-danny-mastermaker/results/2013/

 

[Mark Griffin]

Pro players in BCAPL

Rest assured, we are aware of these names and they have been corrected. With the volume of entries (probably close to 10,000) it takes awhile to get through the process,

BZtW - the Chris Gentile is not the same one.

Thanks for the comments- one reason why we post is to receive comments so we can check them out.

Thanks,

I expect Bill Stock or Ozzy might chime in.

Mark Griffin

 

[8BallWonderland]

I knew it was just an issue of them somehow slipping through the initial verification process.
Thanks for clarifying Mark

 

[CSI - Ozzy]

Relax

This "Open" division entry was caught as soon as it came in over a week ago. The entry came in and Bill Stock asked me what I thought of those players being on the same team in the "Open" division. After we stopped laughing, Bill promptly informed the players that they would not be able to play in that division. Since then, we have been working with the team captain to either get the appropriate players on the roster or get them in the appropriate division.

The names on the website should get corrected in the coming days. On a side note, one of the players has decided to not even participate because of this and will not be coming to Las Vegas.

I hope this helps clear it up.

 

[CSI - Ozzy]

Clarification

Just to clarify...it did not slip through the verification process. It was done online (which placed it on the website list instantly) but Bill Stock caught it immediately. It just hasn't been corrected online yet. Thank you.

 

[Lonestar_jim]

Why in hell would they put an entry in the open rather than Master level. It was probably an honest mistake.

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[easy-e]

Why???, maybe because he finished 17th at the US Open and Turning Stone pro level tournaments last year. He lost 9-7 at turning stone to Alex Pagulayan it's on YouTube
Can Alex also play in the Open division in that case?

Sorry, I don't think a couple of high finishes makes someone a pro-level player.

If your last question was serious, my answer is "no". Danny's two good finishes would NOT be a case to let Alex Pagulayan into the open division.

 

[krychekrowe]

Why in hell would they put an entry in the open rather than Master level. It was probably an honest mistake.

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Best regards

 

[Boro Nut]

I see two pro level players on the same open team and in open singles who are going to rob the open divisions this year at nationals. It seems weird, because as far as I can tell they are definitely regionally known monsters.
Can you spot them?

Moss Coney and Minnie Sodaffatz

Boro Nut

 

[Bill S]

Danny Mastermaker and Chris Bruner, are the two I think the op was referring two, well they are the ones that stuck out to me.

And they also have Ron Parks on their open team.

It's like the US version of those Taiwan players that almost robbed the Open two years ago.

This situation has already been resolved. It will show up on the internet within a couple of days. Danny and Chris are moving to Masters and the team is being restructured. Also, Steven McAninch is showing up in the 9-Ball Men's Open singles. That is also being resolved. He will be moving to the 9-Ball Challenge.

Bill Stock, CSI

 

[rackemup20]

Danny Mastermaker and Chris Bruner, are the two I think the op was referring two, well they are the ones that stuck out to me.

And they also have Ron Parks on their open team.

It's like the US version of those Taiwan players that almost robbed the Open two years ago.

Those 2 are not pro level players Danny is an open player but not really pro speed yet

 

[De$action]

Wth

Time to put your big boy pants on and just play and give your self a chance to beat a good player!!!! Your writing yourself off from the beginning. Everyone has to pay their dues. I'm no open player but I can play a little bit, the long reason for that is because I payed my dues and played killers everyday!!! SORRY JUST HAD TO VENT. There has been a lot of talk about this kind of stuff lately

 

[uwate]

Poor Chris Gentile. Always getting knocked bc people think he is the other Gentile. At least he has a cool gf as of late.

 

[BJTyler]

There seems to be some confusion in this thread as to exactly how "Open", "Advanced", "Leisure", "Masters", and "GrandMaster" classes are defined.

Mark, Ozzy, or Bill could you please clarify...or simply point to a link that does (I did perform a google search, but could not find anything).

thanks,

 

[takeitdown]

Are you talking about Danny Mastermaker? Why would he not be allowed in an Open division?

Danny is strong but is not a pro player. On a barbox he could beat anybody and so could I.

 

[takeitdown]

He was not allowed in the SBX open this yr


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Which was ridiculous too. They let Alex Olinger play and he won 2nd in 2013. Alex is a beast on a barbox and could play anybody.

There is no reward for improving in pool. Danny placed 14th in US Open winning 1400 bucks and that knocked him out of playing SBE open. How silly. He made 7 thousand dollars on the books in 2013 shooting pool. That's awesome but not pro level in my book.

 

[Kid Dynomite]

This situation has already been resolved. It will show up on the internet within a couple of days. Danny and Chris are moving to Masters and the team is being restructured. Also, Steven McAninch is showing up in the 9-Ball Men's Open singles. That is also being resolved. He will be moving to the 9-Ball Challenge.

Bill Stock, CSI

Mr. Stock,

It seems a shame that these players get so good that the BCA has no choice but to abandon them. Why not a Semi-Pro division or some other event that would allow these "Regional Monster" to perticipate in the BCA. What is there for Jeff Beckly, Shawn Wilkie, Brian Deska, & etc.

This issue of players improving in the system to the point where the current system and organization have NOTHING for them exists and is real. These players used to be able to enter the pro event previously and with the move to invitational, there is no where for them to "GO" but back home!

Nice to know that if you get "TOO GOOD" you can forget about playing league!!!

I agree with the decision, just think you should be able to create a substitute division or tournament for this group of people that fall "IN-BETWEEN" pro and amateur.

Regional leagues could be PARTNERS with you and send 4 players each from GSBT, APT, MEZZ, ABCA=Joe Tucker league & etc. They pay airfare and hotel for 4 players and put some of the prize money into a prize fund. You collect a slight administrative fee and these players get to participate. The Regional owners are just like your league operators. Nothing preventing the league operators to EXPAND into the regional leagues??? Or the regional owners partnering to have a MEGA tournament once a year. Especially, since piggy backing events keeps cost down.

Just some food for thought!!!

Sincerely,
KD
Mike Wilson