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Regards,
Dave
PRO ONE DVD: Answering Questions
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Regards,
Dave
Spidey,
Dr. Dave has done a fantastic job in compiling a vast storehouse of knowledge on pool from a variety of sources on his web site. Where materiel has been borrowed from other sources, Dr. Dave has given credit to the source of the materiel.
If Stan or anyone else feels that Dr. Dave should not include their published materiel on Dr. Dave's web site, all they need to do is contact Dr. Dave and I'm sure he'll be happy to consider deleting it or modifying it, as appropriate.
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its great that stans dvd has now come out.if you want to learn cte/pro one then getting the dvd is the way forward.
trying to learn it from written text and diagrams makes it more confusing in my opinion.
as some of you know i'm a 90/90 user mainly but cte gets me in exactly the same position to make the ball.as long as you sight correctly and you know where centre cue ball is the ball goes.
i can't make my mind up whether i need to learn the pro one aspect of the dvd.is it really that beneficial when what i'm doing now is working?
all i can say is if people want to learn these systems is they need to spend time on the table.
reading about it doesn't get you anywhere except confused imo.buy stans dvd......you wont regret it.
spidey - do you know if rons dvd is still in the works??
trying to learn it from written text and diagrams makes it more confusing in my opinion.
as some of you know i'm a 90/90 user mainly but cte gets me in exactly the same position to make the ball.as long as you sight correctly and you know where centre cue ball is the ball goes.
i can't make my mind up whether i need to learn the pro one aspect of the dvd.is it really that beneficial when what i'm doing now is working?
all i can say is if people want to learn these systems is they need to spend time on the table.
reading about it doesn't get you anywhere except confused imo.buy stans dvd......you wont regret it.
spidey - do you know if rons dvd is still in the works??
The only thing I didn't like about cte was all the moving when I was down on the ball. I felt it took me out of the proper mind set. Now that I've learned the pro 1 move I'm sold on it. Since your pivot is made on your way down there isn't any movement once your down on the shot. Your just bairing down on your aiming point and position
You removed your cliff notes of Stan's DVD from your website - that's what I was referring to. I'll leave it at that.
Thank you. I am happy to stay involved in meaningful discussion concerning the CTE approach and Stan's version in particular.
One thing I still hope will be discussed more is the position of the vision center during the entire process.
It seems like Stan suggests the vision center should start along the center-to-edge line (CTEL). But it seems unclear whether or not one should shift while sighting the CB-edge to OB-point line (i.e., the sighting line or SL). Also, should the vision center remain over the CTEL or SL (or some other line) when the cue tip is placed 1/2-tip off center? And where should the vision center be during and after the pivot? It would seem to me that you might want the vision center over the cue (and not the CTEL or SL) after the pivot so you can verify if the aim looks good or not (e.g., to make sure you didn't use the wrong sighting or pivot), and to make sure the cue tip is on the vertical center-line of the CB (so you don't get unintentional English, squirt, swerve, and throw).
Obviously, the key to the entire process is where you actually place your bridge hand on the table. This totally dictates the final aiming line of the cue (after the pivot). And it seems to me that the location of the eyes, and how you drop and slide into your stance and form your bridge can have a big impact here.
I think these are important questions, because how you perceive the CTEL, SL, cue direction, tip position, and bridge placement relative to the CB can be influenced by where your eyes are. Also, where you place the bridge hand is critical. Your sighting and alignment can be perfect, but if you place the bridge hand in the wrong place (slightly left or right of where it should be), the aim will be off.
Regards,
Dave
I've always been a believer in keeping things simple. But in reading your last post, I'm continually struck by the complexity of trying to learn CTE. Just looking at the CTE diagrams, tables, formulas and the thousands of postings on the subject is a indication of how complicated these CTE systems are to learn and become proficient in.
Years from now, we'll still be arguing over the merits and nuances of CTE.
What does CTE/Pro1 offer that the other "simpler," less controversial aiming systems don't have?
You may think the dvd is unclear, but I however think it is very clear and all of the questions you pose are answered. You make a big deal about the bridge hand and Stan clearly covers this.
I've always been a believer in keeping things simple. But in reading your last post, I'm continually struck by the complexity of trying to learn CTE. Just looking at the CTE diagrams, tables, formulas and the thousands of postings on the subject is a indication of how complicated these CTE systems are to learn and become proficient in.
Years from now, we'll still be arguing over the merits and nuances of CTE.
What does CTE/Pro1 offer that the other "simpler," less controversial aiming systems don't have?
Exactness. Please don't go by Dr. Dave, his view has always been well documented against CTE. There are a lot of people using it, and it is very easy and exact.
Do you have a point in your pocket.
How much do you know about it and how much time have you spent on the table with it?
Spider, Dr. Dave said he removed nothing from his website. You are saying he is lying? What are cliff notes, anyway?
I am someone who really wants to learn the system, and I have watched the DVD a few times, paid attention to how each of them are doing it in the examples, and tried it over and over again at the table, yet I have to admit that I have a lot of the same questions as Dr. Dave. I try not to make it as complicated as he is, because I don't think that's the essence of the system, but I am still having a lot of trouble with these things.
What appears to be clear on the DVD to those that already had a knowledge of the system, does not appear to be that clear to those that do not have any experience with it. I respect spidey's attempts to help those that are having some troubles, but I still really don't quite get how to get into the correct line once I am sighted in. I am sure that it is simple to you guys, but it has been quite difficult for many of us. Also, it seems a little different if I am shooting a back cut vs a thick or thin cut in regards to finding the line. Every time I think I have it, I struggle with it again the next time I play, or even when coming back to that shot after shooting a few others. Also, I want to know that I have it and why, not just that I think I am starting to figure it out.
I don't think all of Dave's questions need to be answered (at least not in my mind). I just need to know how to figure out how to get from the alignement created by sighting the lines, to the correct spot on the ball. Once I know the correct spot, I can put my bridge and other things in place as I normally would. When I get it right, balls fly in, but it has become very frustrating at this point, and I just have to put my cue down after a while and walk away from the table feeling more frustrated than I have been in a while at a pool table.
All of Dr. Dave's questions are covered on the DVD. The only people trying to make it complex are those who were against it to begin with. Everyone else is reporting positive results.
I learned CTE in about 30 minutes in Hal's house. You must be a slow learner.
I think when someone can help you see the line, this might be true, but I must be missing something, as I am having some difficulties after multiple attempts.
I think you guys are trying to find the correct line instead of relying on the system to do so. When you have the correct visual, flip your eyes down to the CB and slide directly into the visual face of the CB with your tip offset. Pivot to center and the ball goes in the hole. If the ball doesn't go in the hole, you're not sighting your visual accurately enough.
Figure out how you see. Most people THINK they're sighting a perfect overlap, but they're not (based on which direction the cut is, your dominant eye, etc).
If you setup the same shot 10x and miss it exactly the same way, that will show you what you're doing wrong with your alignment/visual. Make the adjustment. If you miss it 10 different ways --- well, you have a lot of problems going on.
People have different sighting techniques that work because everyone sees differently. For me, I've been most successful using my left eye to see the overlap while cutting to the left and my right eye when cutting right.
Dave
Thanks. I'll give it a try.
Perhaps you and Spidey and other CTE/Pro1 proponents could engage in a scientific experiment in comparing the "easiness and exactness" of using CTE/Pro1 against another aiming system?
Here's the drill I'm proposing that we compare systems with:
On a regulation sized table, put the 1-ball on the foot spot. Place the cue ball on the head string about 5 inches from the right rail. Now attempt to pocket the ball. After 10 attempts, tally up your score. Repeat exercise but this time place the cue ball on the head string about 5 inches from the left rail. After 10 attempts, tally up your score. No cheating! :wink:
If Dr. Dave (or anyone else) could perform the same exercise above using whatever aiming system he wishes, we might then have a basis for comparing the "easyness and exactness" of different aiming systems.
I'm sure that other posters can think of other ways to test different aiming systems. I think it's about time we make an attempt to pit one aiming system against another...and see which one is really better.
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