PRO PLAYERS AND INSTRUCTORS - Why the controversy?
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I would like to respond, but my hands, er fingers, are tied at the moment.
Lou Figueroa
one of the snooker champions made two 147s in one week
Thaiger quieted down when he was told one of the snooker champions made two 147s in one week (in practice) using my technique. I'm surprised I forgot about it and didn't have the opportunity to tell him myself.
What, you wanted Thaiger all to yourself
Thaiger quieted down when he was told one of the snooker champions made two 147s in one week (in practice) using my technique. I'm surprised I forgot about it and didn't have the opportunity to tell him myself.
TheThaiger
Banned
Thaiger quieted down when he was told one of the snooker champions made two 147s in one week (in practice) using my technique. I'm surprised I forgot about it and didn't have the opportunity to tell him myself.
That's funny - I thought you quietened down when I suggested you float your ideas to that snooker forum I linked. Would you like the link again?
Perhaps you can offer your snooker champion friend a grand for each maximum?
The perceived margin of error is puzzling on the snooker table. Hmmn.....
Did you see your buddy lou paid you a compliment. I'm glad to see you two seeing "eye to eye" suddenly. It's precious.
I don't have time for any other forums right now, maybe after the Derby City Classic I'll go over to the snooker forum and interact with pj on some physics issues associated with the smaller snooker pockets. The perceived margin of error is puzzling on the snooker table. Hmmn.....
Did you see your buddy lou paid you a compliment. I'm glad to see you two seeing "eye to eye" suddenly. It's precious.
I don't have time for any other forums right now, maybe after the Derby City Classic I'll go over to the snooker forum and interact with pj on some physics issues associated with the smaller snooker pockets. The perceived margin of error is puzzling on the snooker table. Hmmn.....
TheThaiger
Banned
Did you see your buddy lou paid you a compliment. I'm glad to see you two seeing "eye to eye" suddenly. It's precious.
I don't have time for any other forums right now, maybe after the Derby City Classic I'll go over to the snooker forum and interact with pj on some physics issues associated with the smaller snooker pockets. The perceived margin of error is puzzling on the snooker table. Hmmn.....
There is no margin of error on a snooker table. Puzzling, then, that cuing is deemed far more important than aiming, isn't it?
I"m convinced the snooker players use the cue ball as the primary target as well.
Yes, I never heard much about "aiming systems" until I started participating on this Forum (my aiming system in ultimate pool secrets is all about aligning above the cue ball before you get down on the shot).
I've never in my life heard "don't play him, he knows a better aiming system than you do." Players are known for their feel and touch, but not their aiming abilities. (Shooting straight is essential though)
The Target is the cue ball and that's what I aim at ( align/connect to the object ball), and I"m convinced the snooker players use the cue ball as the primary target as well. The object ball is just "reflective," and a secondary target, the cue ball is always primary to play at a world class level. imo
There is no margin of error on a snooker table. Puzzling, then, that cuing is deemed far more important than aiming, isn't it?
Yes, I never heard much about "aiming systems" until I started participating on this Forum (my aiming system in ultimate pool secrets is all about aligning above the cue ball before you get down on the shot).
I've never in my life heard "don't play him, he knows a better aiming system than you do." Players are known for their feel and touch, but not their aiming abilities. (Shooting straight is essential though)
The Target is the cue ball and that's what I aim at ( align/connect to the object ball), and I"m convinced the snooker players use the cue ball as the primary target as well. The object ball is just "reflective," and a secondary target, the cue ball is always primary to play at a world class level. imo
Did you see your buddy lou paid you a compliment. I'm glad to see you two seeing "eye to eye" suddenly. It's precious.
Nice.
Lou Figueroa
I think I'm lost. I stumbled in here thinking this was a discussion about some sort of controversy between pro players and instructors, but I haven't found any such discussion in here yet. I guess I'll just stumble back on out.
Anybody know where there's a discussion going on between pro players and instructors?
Roger
Anybody know where there's a discussion going on between pro players and instructors?
Roger
There is no margin of error on a snooker table. Puzzling, then, that cuing is deemed far more important than aiming, isn't it?
That's because aiming is easy, cueing it is a whole other matter.
synergism - the working together of two things (Pros and Instructors for example)
Yes, Roger, we worked out the controversy, came to an understanding and now the Game will benefit from the *Synergistic Effect*. 'The Game is the Teacher'
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Noun 1. synergism - the working together of two things (Pros and Instructors for example) to produce an effect greater than the sum of their individual effects
I think I'm lost. I stumbled in here thinking this was a discussion about some sort of controversy between pro players and instructors, but I haven't found any such discussion in here yet. I guess I'll just stumble back on out.
Anybody know where there's a discussion going on between pro players and instructors?
Roger
Yes, Roger, we worked out the controversy, came to an understanding and now the Game will benefit from the *Synergistic Effect*. 'The Game is the Teacher'
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Noun 1. synergism - the working together of two things (Pros and Instructors for example) to produce an effect greater than the sum of their individual effects
TheThaiger
Banned
To play well, you MUST hit the CB good, which is all down to solid fundamentals and good cueing. But when I'm playing well, I don't even notice the CB - the target is the OB, the destination is the pocket. The 'connection' is OB ---> pocket.
I do agree being able to hit the CB with authority is essential to good play, however, and is surprisingly difficult to do. Accelerating through the ball with perfect timing is more important than everything else put together imo. It's a skill that few can master with consistency.
The key is to amplify control of this connection of hands, tip and Game.
While I agree that "Accelerating through the ball with perfect timing" is a desired, and even essential outcome, I will add this "outcome" MUST be a result, not an incentive.
If our incentive is to accelerate through the ball, we may desensitize our touch, feel and awareness for the cue ball, which is even more essential to Game Mastery. At the highest levels of pool {from my experience} the objective is to "become the cue ball," not become the cue or object ball.
The incentive to achieving this is to contact (with acceleration) a specific part of the cue ball with the tip. The cue is used primarily as a "delivery system" for our TIP, directed to that specific spot {on the cue ball} with speed, accuracy, and consistency.
There are only three things we are able to use to physically effect the Game. 1) Our hands/fingers to the cue. 2) The cue TIP to the cue ball 3) The cue ball to the object balls
Pool Mastery will rely on amplifying the control, feedback and connection of the hands/cue, tip, cue ball, and ultimately the Game. 'The Game is the Teacher'
While I agree that "Accelerating through the ball with perfect timing" is a desired, and even essential outcome, I will add this "outcome" MUST be a result, not an incentive.
If our incentive is to accelerate through the ball, we may desensitize our touch, feel and awareness for the cue ball, which is even more essential to Game Mastery. At the highest levels of pool {from my experience} the objective is to "become the cue ball," not become the cue or object ball.
The incentive to achieving this is to contact (with acceleration) a specific part of the cue ball with the tip. The cue is used primarily as a "delivery system" for our TIP, directed to that specific spot {on the cue ball} with speed, accuracy, and consistency.
There are only three things we are able to use to physically effect the Game. 1) Our hands/fingers to the cue. 2) The cue TIP to the cue ball 3) The cue ball to the object balls
Pool Mastery will rely on amplifying the control, feedback and connection of the hands/cue, tip, cue ball, and ultimately the Game. 'The Game is the Teacher'
I'd say there are four things as our feet in relation to the floor is also a physical effect, unless you plan on playing the game suspended in the air.
Maniac
I "stand" corrected.
I "stand" corrected. Some players use their feet for "kick shots".
I "stand" corrected. Some players use their feet for "kick shots".
The shot layout controls everything you do at the table. You must adapt to the shot layout and not try to adapt the shot to you.
The pic below is an example of the above quote and has nothing to do with kicking a shot. Consider that pic from the view of a right handed shooter.
My biggest issue with the pros and instructors here is the use of generalized statements about shot making and not even considering all the possible shot layouts that appear in the world of pool playing which goes beyond just cut shots and 9 ball.
Like saying to place our bridge hand at this distance from the CB and never consider having to use the bridge on some shots or frozen balls or the CB stuck in or to the rack like in 14.1. I had to use a air bridge the other night playing 14.1 because the CB was stuck to the rack. FWIW, I made the shot and the guy sat down cause he thought I was locked.
Like getting your eyes over the cue, again what about a bridge? Do you get your eyes over the bridge? Or if you have to hold the stick out over the table to shoot? That's what I did with the 5 ball in the last pic. I shoot one handed on some shots and there is no way my eyes are over the cue yet the OB goes in and I get shape. How can this be if my eyes are not over the cue as stated needed to be by so many selling their wares on here?
Like looking at the OB last. Will what about when you send the CB 2 rails to the OB. What are you looking at then? Or even a simple rail first shot I posted. Are you looking at the 8 ball when you shot that rail first shot or at the rail?
The list goes on.....
You can not use generalized statements about shot making in pool. The variety of shots makes this impossible.
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today's a good day to take control of your game, not be at the mercy of it.
The shot layout controls everything you do at the table. You must adapt to the shot layout and not try to adapt the shot to you.
Anyone that believes this is stuck at a very uncomfortable level of performance. The player with the most flexibility will have the most control over their outcomes.
Let the table tell you what to do, or make the table do what you want it to do......these are the choices, make sure you choose wisely because it will clearly effect your available options.
Today's a good day to take control of your game, not be at the mercy of it. 'The Game is the Teacher'
Wilson doesn't care... go ahead
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Have you seen the TOI video yet? I thought you might have packed up and went to DCC after watching it.