pro players are they the best instructors?

[CJ Wiley]

That sounds fair enough.....what do you think, Jack? Of course when you run 10 racks

I'd say let him play the ghost 20 times. Do a live stream at a certain time so everyone can see there is no editing.


Then do another live stream three weeks later, or however long, playing the ghost again.

That sounds fair enough.....what do you think, Jack? Of course when you run 10 racks in a row someone will say it's "fixed". Oh, well, can't convince all the people, all the time.

 

[jackpot]

I'm ready

C.J.
I live in the Waco area. I am only available monday thru sunday.
10 racks I thought I was going to see a 50% improvement.
jack

 

[real bartram]

Come on Chris...get real. Sure there are things CJ can teach, that I can't...no argument there. Conversely, there are things I can teach someone that he has no clue about...so it's a push.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

I
I'm not saying you can't teach but I would think that cj could teach much better he has been there and done that as a player he knows what it is to play at a high level

 

[CJ Wiley]

sorry, you feel that way....you do know we're just joking around, don't you?

Hmmm...

I took a class my freshman year of Mechanical Engineering from a genius. Not one of those Marilyn Vos Savant 'I tested well on an IQ test' type of geniuses, but rather a legitimate genius who actually did things...like invented, designed and built a mach 3 wind tunnel that he kept running for 45yrs.

Guy was the nicest, most positive, grandfatherly dude I've ever met. Going to his class was a pleasure and I didn't ever miss a minute of it.

I also didn't learn much in it. Guy couldn't relate to why things weren't completely obvious to most of the students.

By the same token, I tutored my classmates in algebra's, trig, calculus while I was taking them because I could explain it to them.

This is a stupid pee-pee contest. I knew Scott a long time ago, I've never met CJ...in this thread both are coming off as people I wouldn't associate with, which is a real shame. I learned a lot from Scott and I've generally really enjoyed CJ's posts on here.

dld

sorry, you feel that way....you do know we're just joking around, don't you? I couldn't possible give Scott the 2 out and the break, it's just what we fondly call "selling wolf tickets". it makes me sad that you won't associate with us now....we're not that bad of characters, just having fun.

 

[CJ Wiley]

You'll be running "15 packs" when "the teacher's" done with you.

C.J.
I live in the Waco area. I am only available monday thru sunday.
10 racks I thought I was going to see a 50% improvement.
jack

You'll be running "15 packs" when "the teacher's" done with you. 'The Game is the Teacher'

 

[TheThaiger]

I don't think it matters whether it's instructors or pros that teach, but you lot (Americans) need to radically alter your approach to the game if you want to compete on the international stage again.

I can't believe what I see from either instructor OR pro.

 

[Scott Lee]

Is that what you call 'below the belt' malicious comments and links?...just joking around? Maybe you'd like people to know the skeletons in your closet, buddy (and don't try to say you have none)! As for me, I haven't said an unkind word in this entire thread...unlike yourself. I merely asked a few questions, and spoke my opinion on a few things. I thought that's what a pool forum is for/about! Maybe I'm wrong...

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

sorry, you feel that way....you do know we're just joking around, don't you? ....we're not that bad of characters, just having fun.

 

[CJ Wiley]

I don't think it matters whether it's instructors or pros that teach, but you lot (Americans) need to radially alter your approach to the game if you want to compete on the international stage again.

I can't believe what I see from either instructor OR pro.

I guess you missed the Tar Match. The "International Stage" (WPA) is having some issues of their own it seems according to David.

I understand your point though, you do know your snooker, Thaiger.

 

[CJ Wiley]

Is that what you call 'below the belt' malicious comments and links?...just joking around? Maybe you'd like people to know the skeletons in your closet, buddy (and don't try to say you have none)! As for me, I haven't said an unkind word in this entire thread...unlike yourself. I merely asked a few questions, and spoke my opinion on a few things. I thought that's what a pool forum is for/about! Maybe I'm wrong...

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

You were serious? I had no idea. does that mean I have to give you the 2 out and the break? Ok, I guess, if I have to.

 

[Scott Lee]

...and there he is! What took you so long? Maybe YOU should be the bloke who CJ turns into a pro (anybody who can run 15-packs is undeniably a pro). You certainly couldn't play any worse afterwards, than you do now. :grin:

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

I don't think it matters whether it's instructors or pros that teach, but you lot (Americans) need to radially alter your approach to the game if you want to compete on the international stage again.

I can't believe what I see from either instructor OR pro.

 

[bbb]

a question for cj

cj
1) do you beleive you know more than scott regarding stroke fundamentals??
2)do you beleive you can analyze a persons stroke and correct their flaws
better than scott??
3)do you use video analysis in your lessons ??
or do you beleive you can spot flaws without it??
do you agree with these statements
you cant be a great player if your stroke is inconsistent
a consistent fundamentaly sound stroke is the foudation to build a pool player

no one can question what you have acheived
and im sure there is so much about the game of pool that you know that most instructors dont
but beating scott with any kind of spot only prooves you play better
doesnt proove whos the better teacher

as far as molding a complete player no question you have an advantage imo
but for starting with a brick house that wont fall over when a strong wind comes along
i think scott could build a better foundation that you could finish
which means i think you both are hall of fame candidates in the areas of your expertise
that was pretty politically correct wouldnt you say:grin:

 

[J-Flo]

What i think is

C.J and Chrisbanks, one in the same? Every thread they post to it turns ugly.

 

[CJ Wiley]

3 major calculations you have to make each shot and the "shot speed" is one of them.

C.J.
Pick me. You used one of my cues in cal. tournaments. So I think it only
fair that you choose me. If you don't I'm going to a real pool school I read
about where they guarantee I will be a strong 3 or I get to take the course
over for half price plus,( and get this) a diploma suitable for framing.
Top that .
jack

Yes, Jack, one of the fundamental things to remember is there's always 3 major calculations you have to make each shot and the "shot speed" is one of them. The speed of your cue has an effect on your spin and deflection, so it should be as consistent as possible.

I blend "cue speed/shot speed," shot angle, and where the cue ball target (which will be TOI) into one consistent routine instead of, like most players, 3 parts of a routine.

When you need to finesse or "slow roll" the cue ball try hitting it lower and "stunning" it to reduce the shot speed, instead of slowing your cue speed and risk Deceleration.

The main thing you MUST do with TOI is accelerate and the quicker your cue speed the more accurate you will become (within reason of course).

Especially under pressure "normal" players may get ahead of you in a set, and then try to "protect their lead," and start "babying the cue ball." When a player does that to a TOI Player they may be in trouble because under pressure WE HIT IT HARDER, not easier, and that's intimidating.

Deceleration is responsible for a LOT of lost matches.....TOI prevents this though the nature of the technique. 'The Game is the Teacher'

 

[TheThaiger]

Is that what you call 'below the belt' malicious comments and links?...just joking around? Maybe you'd like people to know the skeletons in your closet, buddy (and don't try to say you have none)! As for me, I haven't said an unkind word in this entire thread...unlike yourself. I merely asked a few questions, and spoke my opinion on a few things. I thought that's what a pool forum is for/about! Maybe I'm wrong...

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Of course, there are some people that repeatedly red rep posters for merely asking a few questions and expressing their opinions on this pool forum, Scott. Criticism goes with the territory. Whilst I'll give CJ's ideas and products a wide berth, he is correct when he says those that attack him lack humour.

And, whilst I'm at it, he offered you the 3 and breaks and you turned it down??

 

[TheThaiger]

...and there he is! What took you so long? Maybe YOU should be the bloke who CJ turns into a pro (anybody who can run 15-packs is undeniably a pro). You certainly couldn't play any worse afterwards, than you do now. :grin:

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

What took me so long? I was banned, for a change. Pool - full of egos and crybabies, eh?

The only way for my game to get any lower than it is already is for me to seek instruction from someone who advocates shooting from a vertical position, Scott. You know anyone who teaches such an unconventional technique?

 

[TheThaiger]

I understand your point though, you do know your snooker, Thaiger.

I will take a lot of convincing before I think the snooker approach is incorrect when it comes to cuesport fundamentals, with its emphasis on cueing, rather than aiming.

What you describe as pinning and not decelerating on the shot is standard snooker technique of getting through the ball cleanly.

 

[CJ Wiley]

That's why my "pinning" techniques are quite familiar to you

I will take a lot of convincing before I think the snooker approach is incorrect when it comes to cuesport fundamentals, with its emphasis on cueing, rather than aiming.

What you describe as pinning and not decelerating on the shot is standard snooker technique of getting through the ball cleanly.

As you can tell, I'm from the snooker/pool mold. I was fortunate to learn from the guy that worked a lot with Cliff Thorburn and the time I spent in England playing with Ronnie O. and Steve D. helped a lot in my early development.

That's why my "pinning" techniques are quite familiar to you and anyone that's been around the snooker champions. I'm in agreement, the US players, as a whole are not as effective as 20 years ago. Johnny, Bustemante and Ralph are still holding their own, so far out of their prime.

Click Pic.

 

[CJ Wiley]

I appreciate you taking the time to say such positive things.

cj
1) do you beleive you know more than scott regarding stroke fundamentals??
2)do you beleive you can analyze a persons stroke and correct their flaws
better than scott??
3)do you use video analysis in your lessons ??
or do you beleive you can spot flaws without it??
do you agree with these statements
you cant be a great player if your stroke is inconsistent
a consistent fundamentaly sound stroke is the foudation to build a pool player

no one can question what you have acheived
and im sure there is so much about the game of pool that you know that most instructors dont
but beating scott with any kind of spot only prooves you play better
doesnt proove whos the better teacher

as far as molding a complete player no question you have an advantage imo
but for starting with a brick house that wont fall over when a strong wind comes along
i think scott could build a better foundation that you could finish
which means i think you both are hall of fame candidates in the areas of your expertise
that was pretty politically correct wouldnt you say:grin:

Yes, I appreciate you taking the time to say such positive things. I'm looking forward to the future and what it holds as well.

 

[bbb]

would you answer my questions???

Yes, I appreciate you taking the time to say such positive things. I'm looking forward to the future and what it holds as well.

cj
i bought your dvds
first and second versions because i will listen to anyone who i think will help my game
i asked very simple and direct questions
i dont understand the pic of golfers you showed
perhaps you can explain what you you were trying to "teach " me with that pic
would you mind answering my questions???
this is not an attack on you
its an attempt to show what peoples strengths are without demeaning them:wink:

 

[BeiberLvr]

Judging a person's ability as an instructor is really easy for me.

I view pool as a results oriented game. If you teach me A, B, and C and I find that B doesn't work for me, then it's really easy to dismiss it and just focus on what does work.

Any advice I can get is good advice until proven otherwise (or if it's just really outlandish). I always make sure to put in at least 10 hours of practice utilizing what I was taught or read about.