Problem for D/C player

TX Poolnut said:
Exactly. That's why they should play the two way shot.
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the 2 way shot is a good shot and if he's playing for anything then i like him shooting it.but i like trying to draw the ball back is something he should be working on at the practice table.
 
poolplayer2093 said:
TX Poolnut said:
If they can pull that shot off "all day long", they're not a C/D player.
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if they don't try to get out the right way. they'll never be anything but C/D players
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This is a great exchange you two. And it speaks to the broad spectrum of players we have on this board, and it speaks to the original question of what a C/D player should do with this shot.

You're both right. On the one hand, this shot is a standard bread-and-butter shot that everyone needs to master if they're ever going to be anything beyond a D player in the rotation games. It's the "one-rail draw across with outside to the second diamond " pattern. You'll hear me say it an annoying number of times during any 9-ball or 10-ball commentary I've done .

But, although I encourage lower skill players to play this shot as it is the "right shot," if they can't execute it, then what do they do? With ball in hand, the straight back draw might be the best option. I know I've used that shot plenty of times.

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TX Poolnut said:
Exactly. That's why they should play the two way shot.
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I suppose it depends on whether the OP is asking "how do I get out?", or "what's the best shot for a C/D player?" I think most of us read it as the former. But, until they're confident in one of the other options, I'd agree that the two way shot is probably the best option in a match.
 
poolplayer2093 said:
the 2 way shot is a good shot and if he's playing for anything then i like him shooting it.but i like trying to draw the ball back is something he should be working on at the practice table.
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Absolutely. I couldn't agree more.:)
 
Assuming ball in hand, more then likely I would play one of the draw shots. On an 8 footer, I would try to draw it straight back, on a 9 footer, I would probably play the 2 rail draw shot. I don't like the 3 rail follow position shot for a c/d, if they fail to pocket the ball, the 8 ball is going to have a lot of energy put into it and it could end up in a spot where it would be easy for a A/B player to make and get on the 9, the draw shots would be less likely to cough up easy leaves IMHO. If they are playing another C/D player, I would take ball in hand and play the 8 to the middle of the short rail and the cue ball to the other end.
 
Rift said:
I put the QB here and play with top and left english both a tip

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I like this solution the best. If you can get back to the nine in the other ways described in this post then you can do it this way. I like letting the cue ball do what it naturally wants to do , run forward. You just need to help it with a little bit of running english. IMO this is the easiest way even better then the two way bank some suggested. Easier even for lower level players.
If the object ball is frozen then this is definitely the way. If it's off the rail then straight draw is the best.


The chances of getting another shot if you miss by playing the bank is not guaranteed. Relying on making the bank is a low percentage. The bank is ok if that is the position given to me but I would not choose it with ball in hand.
 
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dabarbr said:
I like this solution the best. If you can get back to the nine in the other ways described in this post then you can do it this way. I like letting the cue ball do what it naturally wants to do , run forward. You just need to help it with a little bit of running english. IMO this is the easiest way even better then the two way bank some suggested. Easier even for lower level players.
If the object ball is frozen then this is definitely the way. If it's off the rail then straight draw is the best.


The chances of getting another shot if you miss by playing the bank is not guaranteed. Relying on making the bank is a low percentage. The bank is ok if that is the position given to me but I would not choose it with ball in hand.
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I'm not sure a c/d player would feel comfortable putting the cue ball that far away from the object ball. Shot making is usually one of the biggest differences between the c player and the b player and this would not only require them to make a good distance shot, but then follow it up with enough action to get on the 9.

If I was playing scotch doubles with a c/d player as my partner and they had ball in hand on this shot, I would tell them to play the safe leaving the 8 on the rail and the cue ball down at the other end. JMHO.
 
MinoInADixeCup said:
I'm not sure a c/d player would feel comfortable putting the cue ball that far away from the object ball. Shot making is usually one of the biggest differences between the c player and the b player and this would not only require them to make a good distance shot, but then follow it up with enough action to get on the 9.

If I was playing scotch doubles with a c/d player as my partner and they had ball in hand on this shot, I would tell them to play the safe leaving the 8 on the rail and the cue ball down at the other end. JMHO.
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You are probably right with your opinion. And in a doubles situation I would advise the same strategy. However I was under the impression that the poster wanted the best way to get a shot on the nine for the win.

Of all the other choices I still like the follow the best if one is going for the win.
 
i like the draw shot best, it takes the side pocket out of the equation altogether. U gotta set up for it perfect though so as not to scratch when u draw.

And why shoot it in the first place. If its that hard for u just play safe and maybe theyll leave u a better shot at it next time.
 
dabarbr said:
You are probably right with your opinion. And in a doubles situation I would advise the same strategy. However I was under the impression that the poster wanted the best way to get a shot on the nine for the win.

Of all the other choices I still like the follow the best if one is going for the win.
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I'm considered a B player, I could probably pull the shot off any way already suggested, but if you watch what your typical c/d player does with ball in hand, they will usually put the cue ball very close to the object ball even if that is the worst thing they could possibly do.

Given that, I think that is why most are suggesting a draw shot. Again, not looking to flame or argue, just pointing out an observation.

Depending on what kind of shots I had already pulled off that night and how I was evaluating my opponent, given ball in hand, I might bank it as a 2 way, play an easy safe, draw it straight back, draw it 2 rails, follow it 3 rails, etc..... I think most A/B players would do the same and go with their strengths, be it follow or draw.
 
MinoInADixeCup said:
I'm considered a B player, I could probably pull the shot off any way already suggested, but if you watch what your typical c/d player does with ball in hand, they will usually put the cue ball very close to the object ball even if that is the worst thing they could possibly do.

Given that, I think that is why most are suggesting a draw shot. Again, not looking to flame or argue, just pointing out an observation.

Depending on what kind of shots I had already pulled off that night and how I was evaluating my opponent, given ball in hand, I might bank it as a 2 way, play an easy safe, draw it straight back, draw it 2 rails, follow it 3 rails, etc..... I think most A/B players would do the same and go with their strengths, be it follow or draw.
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I seriously doubt that a right handed c/d player can draw to the nine from the way the eight and nine are lay-ed out. He would have to position the cue ball to at least the area of the side pocket and pretty straight, not having the advantage of the rail for some side spin.

A left handed c/d player might be able to do it because of the advantage to position cue ball much closer to the eight. However if the eight ball is frozen to the rail it will be a little more difficult. The hit must be more precise.

You sir, being a B player, which is much different that a c/d player, how would you play this with bih, walking in cold, right handed, frozen eight ball and only one try?
 
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dabarbr said:
I seriously doubt that a right handed c/d player can draw to the nine from the way the eight and nine are lay-ed out. He would have to position the cue ball to at least the area of the side pocket and pretty straight, not having the advantage of the rail for some side spin.

A left handed c/d player might be able to do it because of the advantage to position cue ball much closer to the eight. However if the eight ball is frozen to the rail it will be a little more difficult. The hit must be more precise.

You sir, being a B player, which is much different that a c/d player, how would you play this with bih, walking in cold, right handed, frozen eight ball and only one try?
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I am a right-handed C player, although probably a fairly high C level, and I would have no issue in drawing it back to the 9. I think a D player may have an issue in doing this, but I think a C player can do it.

If I had BIH, I think my first choice would be to draw it back; however, if I had a little angle, I don't think I would have too much of an issue with going 3 rails either.
 
I might fit into the target audience. Left handed. I wouldnt draw the ball, it risks going too far or too short or even hitting the 9 depending on how good I stroked it or if I had too much angle or whatnot.

If I had ball in hand, making shape wouldnt be the toughest part of the object. Putting top left and potting the ball still would be the hard part.

With ball in hand, Im out Id say 75% of the time from here. 20% of the time Id miss the shot because of the spin, 5% of the time Id miss the second shot or make bad shape.
 
I hit the shot pretty good today with either draw or follow.I did set it up pretty straight and at a long distance,the follow shot from here seemed more successful for me.I know its not setup easy but I thought for my speed this shot was alittle more challenging.I stayed down and really followed through.

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during league, on small tables, if the 8 is not frozen, and if it is known that the player is not good with draw or side english...

I have seen this executed with success

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I know that these aren't the circumstances that were stated, the point is just that we sometimes forget that there are 6 pockets on the table.
 
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