Problem With Practicing Routine Shots

DrCue'sProtege

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i've found this to be so very true as of late. working on all of these "Routine" shots one can usually face in the game of 9-Ball seems to lend itself to a very big problem - at least for me.

and that problem is that seemingly the "Routine" shots hardly ever come up! all the time i am face with shots and position play that just hardly ever get practiced. then when i miss it frustrates me. then the break goes away, the balls dont stay loyal very long, and my game and mental approach just disintegrate.

maybe i should just take two weeks off then quit.........:(

DCP
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
maybe i should just take two weeks off

DCP

This might actually help. Getting away for a while usually helps more than hurts. Didn't you just take a lesson or lessons a short while back? If so, this may be part of your problem, you may not have been able to incorporate what you learned in the lessons into your game. I'm sure Scott told you that it would take a while.
 
Just practice. And....... don't post when you are tired and depressed. It makes you look like a weenee. Just go to bed and practice tomorrow.
 
Why did you pay for lessons? Why do you ask for advice from better players and not seriously experiment with it? Why do you use this forum to whine even after getting tons of excellent advice?

I don't want to hear whining unless its an interesting pool story. You missing some balls and breaking like a 9 year old girl do NOT qualify.

Add me to the list of people annoyed by your posts. :confused:
 
If the "routine" shots don't come up very often, then you are not controlling the cue ball on your position routes. You should be leaving yourself "routine" shots that you are confident of making.
 
Franky said:
Why did you pay for lessons? Why do you ask for advice from better players and not seriously experiment with it? Why do you use this forum to whine even after getting tons of excellent advice?

I don't want to hear whining unless its an interesting pool story. You missing some balls and breaking like a 9 year old girl do NOT qualify.

Add me to the list of people annoyed by your posts. :confused:


Be careful.........If you bad mouth DCP too much, FLEX will step in and give you a neg rep point !! Just like he did to me!!!!!! Thanks FLEX!!

On a serious note...........DCP.......may I make a suggestion??

Instead of setting up "routine" shots over and over........Try just throwing the balls out and try to run them out. Do this until BLOOD is running from your finger tips. You will come across "routine" and non routine shots and learn from them.

Your buddy,

Russ.......




:D
 
Okay, DCP... I'll tell for what MUST be the 10th time I have told you this..

Your negative attitude is the biggest reason you don't play as well as you should. Every time you think a negative thought when you are down on a shot, you almost guarantee you will miss.

You will never be even a halfway decent player as long as you continue to feel sorry for yourself because of mishaps on the table. 'Nuff said..

Russ
 
poolhustler said:
Be careful.........If you bad mouth DCP too much, FLEX will step in and give you a neg rep point !! Just like he did to me!!!!!! Thanks FLEX!!

On a serious note...........DCP.......may I make a suggestion??

Instead of setting up "routine" shots over and over........Try just throwing the balls out and try to run them out. Do this until BLOOD is running from your finger tips. You will come across "routine" and non routine shots and learn from them.

Your buddy,

Russ.......




:D

Oh OK. I'll try to amend my whining ways. :p
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
i've found this to be so very true as of late. working on all of these "Routine" shots one can usually face in the game of 9-Ball seems to lend itself to a very big problem - at least for me.

and that problem is that seemingly the "Routine" shots hardly ever come up! all the time i am face with shots and position play that just hardly ever get practiced. then when i miss it frustrates me. then the break goes away, the balls dont stay loyal very long, and my game and mental approach just disintegrate.
DCP

Maybe you are looking too hard? What I mean is that you are trying to compare the routine position shots to the "EXACT LAYOUT" of the table. Routine position shots are never exact, but, are used as "tool" to help you improve your game. Lots of shots on the table, although not exact, have the same patterns; positon plays; etc. Look over the table, during your practice sessions and see how the table reflects something in your routine shot analysis. I am sure this will work out for you. You are trying too hard. Ease up and enjoy the game. It will all come together.
 
I believe your problem is very simple. You need to make a choice between the keyboard or a cue. From an outsiders standpoint you seem to fixate on one when you are doing the other. Take a little time off from both and try to figure out which one you miss the most. Ive never witnessed someone so willing to ask for help in a public forum then have such a disregard for the vast knowledge that is this forum. Kinda seems like "Groundhogs Day" everytime you sit in front of a keyboard.
 
miah g. said:
Ive never witnessed someone so willing to ask for help in a public forum then have such a disregard for the vast knowledge that is this forum. Kinda seems like "Groundhogs Day" everytime you sit in front of a keyboard.

Neither have I. DCP I think you should go with your last sentence.
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
i've found this to be so very true as of late. working on all of these "Routine" shots one can usually face in the game of 9-Ball seems to lend itself to a very big problem - at least for me.

and that problem is that seemingly the "Routine" shots hardly ever come up! all the time i am face with shots and position play that just hardly ever get practiced. then when i miss it frustrates me. then the break goes away, the balls dont stay loyal very long, and my game and mental approach just disintegrate.

maybe i should just take two weeks off then quit.........:(

DCP

I won't give anybody bad rep for jumping on DCP - but Mike, I agree with Russ Chewning on this one. 90% of the time you miss shots or position its because you talked yourself out of making the shot.

Here is a link to my latest newsletter that I pass out here locally, it has an article in it that deals with this exact topic...

Dead Stroke University - August 2007
 
I don't know how you can even stick with it if you never play anyone? My problem was I never liked practicing....I just wanted to get in and play, and I kind of got better through playing. If you practiced like you do, but also played other/better players in some little money matches your game would shoot up REAL fast! Oh, and play in all of your local tournaments.
 
Blackjack said:
I won't give anybody bad rep for jumping on DCP - but Mike, I agree with Russ Chewning on this one. 90% of the time you miss shots or position its because you talked yourself out of making the shot.

Here is a link to my latest newsletter that I pass out here locally, it has an article in it that deals with this exact topic...

Dead Stroke University - August 2007

The link didn't work David. No newsletter there.
 
Try some self-affirmation

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Russ Chewning said:
Okay, DCP... I'll tell for what MUST be the 10th time I have told you this..

Your negative attitude is the biggest reason you don't play as well as you should. Every time you think a negative thought when you are down on a shot, you almost guarantee you will miss.

You will never be even a halfway decent player as long as you continue to feel sorry for yourself because of mishaps on the table. 'Nuff said..

Russ

DCP, Russ is really on to something here.

The way I take it when missing is philosophically: I blew it, what did I do that caused it, and later go and practice the shot and figure out how to make it consistently. Will I make it consistently afterwards? Maybe, maybe not. If not, I'll add it to those shots that are lower percentage for me, and know not to go for the shot in a real game, and look for other options, which usually are there.

Take misses as learning opportunities, and don't beat yourself up.

Flex
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
i've found this to be so very true as of late. working on all of these "Routine" shots one can usually face in the game of 9-Ball seems to lend itself to a very big problem - at least for me.

and that problem is that seemingly the "Routine" shots hardly ever come up! all the time i am face with shots and position play that just hardly ever get practiced. then when i miss it frustrates me. then the break goes away, the balls dont stay loyal very long, and my game and mental approach just disintegrate.

maybe i should just take two weeks off then quit.........:(

DCP

DCP, There's a practical limit to how much you can improve by self-teaching yourself at home, especially if you're trying to master the basics. If there is something that you're not doing right, you're bound to frustrate yourself by repeatedly trying the same shot(s) over and over again, trying to get it to work.

In the absence of having an instructor work with you on an ongoing basis, the next best thing is to play at a pool hall and learn by watching and playing other players that are better than you. And asking questions too. In addition, by playing at a pool hall, you'll also enjoy the game more and have some FUN!
 
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For those that could not access the newsletter, here is a copy of the article I have in there....


Find Out Why You Missed

We all miss shots. Some are easy, some are difficult. Some are banks, others are kicks. Some are two inches away from the pocket.

What you need to do is evaluate WHY you are missing these shots. There is a big difference between a reason and an excuse for missing shots. When the balls don't drop, you need to find out why. The "why" will usually fall into 3 different categories:

Category 1 - Physical Error
Physical errors are caused by weaknesses and deficiencies with your fundamentals, ie -your stroke, your stance, your sighting, etc. Many beginners don't realize when they are popping up out of their stance or when they are taking their eye off the ball. Usually, minor adjustments and fine tuning with your stance, head alignment, and stroke could alleviate some of those problems. Never forget that the game of pool relies upon perfect application of the basic fundamentals in much the same way a chain depends upon the strength of its links. Weaken one link, and the chain becomes useless.

Category 2 - Mental Error
Mental errors are evident when you are taken completely out of your normal shooting rhythm and either over-think or talk yourself out of certain shots. Their is no quick fix for mental errors. Remember that CONFIDENCE is the prerequisite to CONSISTENCY. If you believe that you will make the shot, you have a better chance of having the ball drop in the pocket. If you tell yourself that it won't go, chances are that it won't. This goes back to self talk - that conversation that is going on in your head while you are shooting. If you listen to the negative - your outcome will be all negative. If you decide to listen to that little voice that tells you can and will make the shot, good things will happen. It is like listening to the radio. It all depends what station you tune into. If you hear that negative stuff creeping in, take the time to start over - walk away from the table - CHANGE THE CHANNEL - and begin your evaluation of the shot, your approach, and your pre-shot routine all over again.

Category 3 - Tactical Error
Many players get themselves into tough situations because of tactical errors committed earlier in the rack. If you miss position on the 7 ball - you will have to overcompensate to make it - and you may still be out of line on the 8 ball. If you miss the 8 ball, it is a good idea to look back and see how you got in that position in the first place. Reading the rack is just as important as running the rack.

Planning then executing. It eliminates that "I don't know where I'm going but I'm getting there fast" brand of 9 ball that you can see every day in the local pool hall.

Unless you figure out which of the 3 categories your misses fall into, you'll always be running east looking for a sunset. Never underestimate the effectiveness of organized, goal oriented practice. Practices should be centered around accomplishing short term goals and turning any weakness into a strength. The more organized your practices are, the more organized you will be when you are in competition. If you simply toss the balls on the table with little or no purpose or goal in my mind, you will not improve very much. However, if you take the time to evaluate these 3 areas of your game on a CONSTANT basis - you will be able to identify and attack the parts of your game that are holding you back by focusing your practices on specific deficiencies instead of merely putting in your time, or merely banging balls around.
 
People keep getting upset with DCP for asking the same questions over and over again, seemingly ignoring or continually "forgetting" the valuable advice he asked for, and for whining about his break etc.

I ask with all sincerity, given the preponderance of evidence, isn't it possible that DCP has a learning disability or similar problems? I don't think it's in the realm of "normal" for anyone to behave like DCP for any other reason.

I used to see a couple of guys come around pool halls all the time. They were both really nice guys, and a little bit on the slow side. They played 6 or 7 days a week, many hours per day, for _YEARS_, and they never improved beyond ball-bangers. It didn't matter if I went to the pool hall during the afternoon or night, they were there, playing the same ol' game.

Come to think of it, there was one major difference. They enjoyed playing, and never complained about their break ;)
 
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