Based on the pics I saw, never buy a PW cue. That's what I learned. Outside of that, this thread is no different than any other thread.
Problems with Perry Weston and the ACA.
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Based on the pics I saw, never buy a PW cue. That's what I learned. Outside of that, this thread is no different than any other thread.
One of the members Joey wrote to actually still owes me a cue. I ordered the cue somewhere in 2001. He gave excuses and after that never respond to my emails.
Well Said ! This is the whole crazy mess in a nutshell. Enough said !!!
Why confused?????
There's a lot of thing can learn from this thread :
1 As a customer. If i want to order a custom cue in the future, i must check for the reputation of how the cuemaker dealt with his customer not onl his cue playability. If i'm not sure about how he gonna treat me as his customer, i will use a escrow service or find the third parties to involved. Or maybe a contract aggrement or else.
2. As a cuemaker. if i'm a bad cuemaker. I must consider to change my bad attitude, because right now there are forum community. Word spread to the whole world very easy and very fast. If i don't want to ruin up my own carrer, i must consider it closely. What i mean with "bad cuemaker" is not only about he ripped of his client. In the ask cuemaker section, there are a thread about "how you dealt with impatient customer". it's kind of a sad thing, that one post give us a comment like this. If my customer keep calling me and asking me some pix of my progress cue, i will tell him that he already cost him 2 weeks for me not to working his cue. Other post threat his "impatient" customer, if he keep pushing the cue maker, he will give his client a piece of junk cue. I know that maybe they are not a cuemaker or maybe they are only making some joke. But, in the real life i believe if they are really a cuemaker, they will act like they said.
If i'm a good cuemaker. I will push my organization to give sanction to the Bad one, because the Bad cuemaker can effect my bussiness too. There is must be a potential customer who choose a production cue because this matter and it's mean a great lost for custom cue industry. Many customer will affraid to pay upfront in the future, and lost some trust to cuemaker. (there is already a thread in main forum for this matter)
3 As a ACA. I will use this Matter as a momentum to make some regulation to handle such situation in the future, because i find out actually they are many unhappy customer out there and they are also some bad cuemaker in my organization. that's mean not good for my organization. People and public will disrespect the organization.
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Dedy:smile:
After reading this thread, I am buying a Cuetec and selling all my custom cues. Everyone says custom is better, but I have yet to read any posts on this board entitled "screwed by Cuetec".
Hmmmm
You must have missed the THREAD; How my Cuetec killed my dog and burned down my house !!
You must have missed the THREAD; How my Cuetec killed my dog and burned down my house !!
Now, that is funny:grin:
It's true that pathetic cue makers ruin it for all. I've read all the threads on here and will not ever put myself in any kind of situation to get screwed. Probably never going to buy a custom cue from anyone. Cue makers should be crying for Perry's ban from the aca IMO.
A few bad apples do not spoil the whole bunch. It is not fair to penalize/categorize/blame all custom cue makers for the actions of a few. There are way, way more positive stories than there are negative ones. Sadly, it's always the negative that we as a collective tend to focus on. This tends to hold true in all facets of life.
While it may not apply in this case, it is really up to the potential customer to do their homework and research a chosen maker. It's not much different than when you're shopping for any type of product. Once you've made the commitment with a particular maker, it's up to you to make sure that you communicate clearly what it is you are expecting in the finished product. Make sure that the maker has the order correct. If ordering over the phone, take notes about the detailed quote for the order. Then confirm this, in detail, in an email, so that there is a written record. Typically the maker will confirm this in a reply email. Communication is absolutely key...on both sides.
I have had makers send me pics of several different pieces of wood to chose from; send me in-progress pics to make sure it is as was communicated; contact me if there was a question or concern; follow up with me once the cue was delivered to make sure that I was happy and to get feedback.
Cue makers are people too, and some are just as anxious when sending the cue out as we are anxious to receive it...wanting us to be happy with their work. Not much different than when you brought home that A on your report card and received praise from your parents for a job well done. And, like the rest of us, sometimes they make mistakes too...it's how they learn and grow as a maker. It's then how they chose to handle those mistakes that sets them apart from others. Most will do whatever it takes, within reason, to correct the problem because it's their reputation at stake and they want your repeat business and/or referrals. Others, sadly, are in it for the money, and could care less once they have it. Not really much different than any other business out there.
Lisa
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I have never owned a PW, I don't know PW, the OP or anyone in the ACA personally.
But I've been in some facet of the customer service industry for quite a few years. Regardless of the OP's actions (whether anyone feels they were justified or not), the above statement is what needs to be noted throughout this entire thread.
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Frankly, if I were the OP and chose to sell this cue, I would have been quite a bit more forthcoming regarding the issues surrounding the cue. I think a considerable majority of the members here would do the same.
On the same note, the cuemaker should be more than willing to repair obvious issues on a cue that HE is responsible for. Regardless of whether or not he himself or an apprentice built it, his name is still on it.
Furthermore, if this cuemaker is a member of an organization that I'M a member of, and it can be proven that his responses were in fact what has been stated, I would be expecting some sort of disciplinary action from the governing body.
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Here's the bigger question... What actions will be taken on everyone's part next time a similar scenario unfolds ?
Kinda sounds like a "hustle" doesn't it :wink:?
What's indicative of a "hustlers" character???
What's the difference between what the OP did on e-bay and what many people on this forum talk openly about doing (and get patted on the back for it)? I'm talking about going into a poolhall in another town with a buddy, start playing pool with said buddy, shoot WAY below what your skill is to try to attract some fish to the bait. Then they get a bite, start playing better gradually, and as the wagers get higher he turns it up full-notch and takes the fish for all he's got. It's deception-for-pay, no different imo to what the OP did on e-bay. Why is joeyb vilified and pool hustlers glorified? Same gig, only joeyb did mention defects/factory second which is a helluva lot more than any pool hustler would give ya! At least any buyer on e-bay had SOME forewarning and could have questioned the seller for more information. At the very least, any potential buyer reading that ad SHOULD have had a red flag go up in their head. Hustlers, they just blindside the hell out of you for your money.
Now, don't get me wrong, I've got nothing against gambling and people taking other peoples money that are willing to lose it. It's just that I don't like the idea of the "con". Man up and go into the poolroom playing at top speed. Then if someone wants to give you their rent money it's nobody's fault but their own.
So, why do hustlers get a free pass and joeyb is a "douche bag" to many???
Maniac
Tap, tap, tap. :thumbup: Greenies on the way.
I've never understood the gloficiation of "the Hustle", and then the condemnation of "the sandbagger". This cue deal qualifies, as well.
Nicely done, Maniac. (And now I'll get flamed crispy, but what the hell...)
This keeps getting lost in the wind, but Joey sold the cue in a private transaction (outside of ebay) to a private dealer. The ebay thing is a moot point.
Dave
A different view....
I guess I really don't see where the OP was hugely deceptive. He bought a cue from Perry Weston. Obviously, the cue was up to Perry's standards, otherwise he wouldn't have shipped it out. Just because the OP wasn't happy with the execution of how the cue was put together doesn't mean the cue was defective.
I personally think the cue was an absolute turd. I have made cues in the past, and nothing would leave my shop looking like that, and I'm certainly no Perry Weston. However, I do not see any reason to label this cue as defective. Are there any issues, aside from aesthetics, that are wrong with the cue? Warped butt? Rattling rings or warped shafts?
If it left Perry's shop, and he's not replacing it, the cuemaker has deemed it as functional. Therefore, should the OP have to trump Perry's opinion of the cue and list it as defective? I don't think he does. What is one man's crap is another man's goldmine. Just list the story about the cue, and say it wasn't what you expected to receive. Do not label the goods as defective - I've hit with uglier cues that this one.
I think the group, as a whole, has been hypocritically harsh on the OP. He's the one that got screwed. He has the right to sell this cue as a means of recovering his money. How he represents the cue is his business. He did not need to label the cue as defective, as Perry himself has said the cue is fine.
In the end, the cuemaker is always right. I have learned this the hard way in dealing with several cuemakers. If they say it's your fault, or your problem, it is. You cannot talk them out of their stance, and you will get nothing from them. If Perry says it's fit, it's fit. Therefore, the OP should be able to represent the cue as fit.
I guess I really don't see where the OP was hugely deceptive. He bought a cue from Perry Weston. Obviously, the cue was up to Perry's standards, otherwise he wouldn't have shipped it out. Just because the OP wasn't happy with the execution of how the cue was put together doesn't mean the cue was defective.
I personally think the cue was an absolute turd. I have made cues in the past, and nothing would leave my shop looking like that, and I'm certainly no Perry Weston. However, I do not see any reason to label this cue as defective. Are there any issues, aside from aesthetics, that are wrong with the cue? Warped butt? Rattling rings or warped shafts?
If it left Perry's shop, and he's not replacing it, the cuemaker has deemed it as functional. Therefore, should the OP have to trump Perry's opinion of the cue and list it as defective? I don't think he does. What is one man's crap is another man's goldmine. Just list the story about the cue, and say it wasn't what you expected to receive. Do not label the goods as defective - I've hit with uglier cues that this one.
I think the group, as a whole, has been hypocritically harsh on the OP. He's the one that got screwed. He has the right to sell this cue as a means of recovering his money. How he represents the cue is his business. He did not need to label the cue as defective, as Perry himself has said the cue is fine.
In the end, the cuemaker is always right. I have learned this the hard way in dealing with several cuemakers. If they say it's your fault, or your problem, it is. You cannot talk them out of their stance, and you will get nothing from them. If Perry says it's fit, it's fit. Therefore, the OP should be able to represent the cue as fit.
Yes Dave, I understand the e-bay thing is a moot point, but people are still grillin' him for it. I was takin' up for him in my last post. I stand exactly where you do on this issue. And.....I agree, it has been lost in the wind that the cue was sold in a private transaction, possibly one where the buyer had a chance to see exactly what he/she was gettin'.
Maniac
Awesome post my friend, hope to see you at the SBE again.
Maybe THE BEST I ever read, thanks. :thumbup:
Eric"h" ----- proud to know you
Yes, I agree. qbuilder's post was awesome. Some of my own personal sentiments were mirrored in his words!!!
Maniac