You can do the same thing in one pocket.
Proposed TAR - TOI VS NO AIMING SYSTEM
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You can do the same thing in one pocket.
And like One Pocket doesn't have the same level of "deeper level thinking" by intentionally-spotting balls? (E.g. balls that go in the sides or head-end corner pockets? Or by making a ball and intentionally scratching, which causes two balls to spot -- that ball that was scratched on and one penalty ball out of your kitty? Or by rolling the cue ball onto the spot [difficult, requires a good touch] and then spotting a penalty ball behind and up-against it?)
I don't know, CJ. Between you sleeping that ball you pocketed on the first break in that video (probably being completely caught off-guard when Mary Avina reminded you), then the questionable/stitched nature of that video itself, and then your comments here, I'm thinking that Mary Avina may've played more one pocket in her travels with Efren, et al., than you have.
I know, I know; what do we know -- we're just Internet pool forum commandos, because we don't just fawn all over your "pro" status, right? <sigh>
-Sean
That's what Amarillo Slim thought too.
I think you're a very smart gentleman, so don't feel bad, that's what Amarillo Slim thought too.....before I beat him out of $30,000 playing one pocket spotting him the same thing he beat Efren Reyes with the week before.
This was in Baton Rouge Louisiana when FLY BOY was gambling high and ALL the greatest gamblers were there....I also spotted JACK COONEY 8/7, beat Jose Parica playing one pocket and CLIFF JOYNER twice with 9/8.......and one pocket is my worst game, just ask anyone.
And like One Pocket doesn't have the same level of "deeper level thinking" by intentionally-spotting balls? (E.g. balls that go in the sides or head-end corner pockets? Or by making a ball and intentionally scratching, which causes two balls to spot -- that ball that was scratched on and one penalty ball out of your kitty? Or by rolling the cue ball onto the spot [difficult, requires a good touch] and then spotting a penalty ball behind and up-against it?)
I don't know, CJ. Between you sleeping that ball you pocketed on the first break in that video (probably being completely caught off-guard when Mary Avina reminded you), then the questionable/stitched nature of that video itself, and then your comments here, I'm thinking that Mary Avina may've played more one pocket in her travels with Efren, et al., than you have.
I know, I know; what do we know -- we're just Internet pool forum commandos, because we don't just fawn all over your "pro" status, right? <sigh>
-Sean
I think you're a very smart gentleman, so don't feel bad, that's what Amarillo Slim thought too.....before I beat him out of $30,000 playing one pocket spotting him the same thing he beat Efren Reyes with the week before.
This was in Baton Rouge Louisiana when FLY BOY was gambling high and ALL the greatest gamblers were there....I also spotted JACK COONEY 8/7, beat Jose Parica playing one pocket and CLIFF JOYNER twice with 9/8.......and one pocket is my worst game, just ask anyone.
John:
Not to get into the middle of your repartee with Neil, but what you write above is a double-edged sword. It's one thing to outright disrespect (from the get-go) those pros or accomplished individuals with e.g. disrespectful, hurtful, malicious statements. No argument there.
But it's a completely different thing when respect is "expected" -- from the get-go, as mentioned -- by these pros or accomplished individuals. It's called the "deity complex" and we see it all the time. Not just here on AZB, but any forum -- you name the topic/sport, and you'll see the "deity complex" in action. E.g. "You guys are lucky I'm here. Bow to me, come hither, and I 'might' share with you a tidbit or two."
Just wanted to offer some counterbalance to the "dissing pros" thing. Everything is about packaging.
-Sean
One thing I really liked about High Pockets, is it still has Gold Crowns and valley bar boxes. I think it might have been the only tournament I've been to since I've been back playing that didn't have all diamonds. It would be nice if Tracy double shimmed a couple of the tables for one hole.
And like One Pocket doesn't have the same level of "deeper level thinking" by intentionally-spotting balls? (E.g. balls that go in the sides or head-end corner pockets? Or by making a ball and intentionally scratching, which causes two balls to spot -- that ball that was scratched on and one penalty ball out of your kitty? Or by rolling the cue ball onto the spot [difficult, requires a good touch] and then spotting a penalty ball behind and up-against it?)
I don't know, CJ. Between you sleeping that ball you pocketed on the first break in that video (probably being completely caught off-guard when Mary Avina reminded you), then the questionable/stitched nature of that video itself, and then your comments here, I'm thinking that Mary Avina may've played more one pocket in her travels with Efren, et al., than you have.
I know, I know; what do we know -- we're just Internet pool forum commandos, because we don't just fawn all over your "pro" status, right? <sigh>
-Sean
All I know is that no one is going to get an Academy Award for the dialogue between racks to explain what supposedly happened.
Lou Figueroa
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While you are defending your deity, you may want to consider this -- if this feat "is so easy" for CJ, why doesn't he address the clearly-faulty aspects of the video, by just doing another one?
Stitching video segments together, and then "claiming" the run was continuous, does not do his cause justice. Yes, we know that the individual racks themselves were run without any video-editing assistance -- we can clearly see 14 balls run in one rack, and then a segue into another rack where 15 balls were run. That's not the problem here. The problem is that the video is MARKETED as a contiguous 29-ball run, which it clearly isn't.
In the 14.1 forum, we had issues like this where the video creator "claimed" he ran 100+ balls, but closer analysis revealed either the video was stitched, or balls were discreetly moved, or something else was "funny" about the video, where it later was revealed that the video was NOT, in fact, a contiguous run.
Some of us may place more credence on ethics and authenticity than others, because we'd been burned with marketing shenanigans in the past. Anyone who'd spent any time over in the 14.1 forum knows what I'm talking about.
-Sean
If you get a good spread it is not so tough. Just screwing around I popped them open and ran a 12. A little bit later another 12. That was in a half hour and I'm just an a amateur. It's all about the break and getting a first shot.
So, if you're just willing to pop them open, rack them if the spread is bad or there's no first shot, you will get a decent run and it's not going to take all day. It's not about the number of attempts if you do it that way and any top player could probably get a 15 within an hour if they just blew past the bad breaks and re-racked the bad ones.
BTW, I used a break not mentioned here
Lou Figueroa
I think you're a very smart gentleman, so don't feel bad, that's what Amarillo Slim thought too.....before I beat him out of $30,000 playing one pocket spotting him the same thing he beat Efren Reyes with the week before.
This was in Baton Rouge Louisiana when FLY BOY was gambling high and ALL the greatest gamblers were there....I also spotted JACK COONEY 8/7, beat Jose Parica playing one pocket and CLIFF JOYNER twice with 9/8.......and one pocket is my worst game, just ask anyone.
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CJ:
Thank you for the kind word, and I have *no doubt* believing your road stories. In fact, I'd suggest you write a book, and I'd be one of your customers. (I personally love it when an experienced road player regales the reader with road stories -- very engaging, interesting, and oftentimes, hilarious.)
Your road history is not the issue here. I have no doubt you gambled big-time on games like one pocket, etc. You were (are?) still a great player, and you're a threat in any game.
The issue here is, I think, your "over-respect" (if that's a word?) for the concept of short-rack rotation ("can only shoot at a single ball on the table") coupled with the concept of two-foul, and then saying that this combination exceeds one pocket in terms of strategy, difficulty, etc. This, when short-rack rotation is receiving a lot of bad press this past decade for the break shot (i.e. soft-breaking, vulnerabilities in the diamond-shaped rack with wired balls), racking shenanigans, racking "repair" devices (i.e. MagicRack), etc. Sure, two-foul adds a LOT to address some issues with otherwise-T.E. 9-ball, but I think it's a stretch to say the value added to 9-ball with two-foul boosts this game's strategy, difficult, etc. over one pocket. You yourself say one pocket is not your best game, so obviously your bias is towards short-rack rotation.
However, that is indeed your opinion. I would be interested in your video that supposedly "proves" this, when you can post it.
This, I gotta see. Consider me an anxiously-awaiting customer,
-Sean
If someone wants to "get squirrely"
Did someone say this feat was easy? I will give anyone in the world 100 tries to do what I did......I've said this many, many times now - I was shooting the video to run 15 balls in a row, and I forgot to spot one......I thought it was done, then when Mary told me I didn't spot the ball I had to do it again and I figured it would take me several more attempts.....but it didn't, I did it on the first try. That means I ran 29 in a row. Arguing it is silly, I KNOW I did it and thinking/hoping I didn't is delusional....or ignorant, whichever word you want to use.
If any of you want to believe I didn't do it in two consecutive attempts then fine, but I'll bet my life I did......will you? If someone wants to "get squirrely" and bet high enough I can provide proof. 'The Game is the Teacher'
Did someone say this feat was easy? I will give anyone in the world 100 tries to do what I did......I've said this many, many times now - I was shooting the video to run 15 balls in a row, and I forgot to spot one......I thought it was done, then when Mary told me I didn't spot the ball I had to do it again and I figured it would take me several more attempts.....but it didn't, I did it on the first try. That means I ran 29 in a row. Arguing it is silly, I KNOW I did it and thinking/hoping I didn't is delusional....or ignorant, whichever word you want to use.
If any of you want to believe I didn't do it in two consecutive attempts then fine, but I'll bet my life I did......will you? If someone wants to "get squirrely" and bet high enough I can provide proof. 'The Game is the Teacher'
"a lot of bad press" ??? - That's Ridiculous, there's no press in pool everyone knows that! There's a couple drunks in a bar somewhere that say they're the "press" but that's another story entirely.
I offered to prove my opinion (on video or streaming video) against anyone in the world that takes the other side and this is stated in many previous posts.......I have the NUTS, so don't, Sean, be a sucker.
CLICK THE SQUIRREL
One Foul Makes the players play shape to play safe instead of running tough racks
"Ball in hand" is too much of a penalty AND it encourages players to try to get "ball in hand" instead of going for the offensive run out.....this also encouraging the wrong frame of mind.......playing pool defensively is boring, take one pocket for an example. Unless you Bank really, really, well it's tough to make One Pocket exciting. That's why I showed the world the "TIPS BANKING SECRETS" to make one pocket a more offensive game for everyone, not just the Top Champions. 'The Game is the Teacher'
"Ball in hand" is too much of a penalty AND it encourages players to try to get "ball in hand" instead of going for the offensive run out.....this also encouraging the wrong frame of mind.......playing pool defensively is boring, take one pocket for an example. Unless you Bank really, really, well it's tough to make One Pocket exciting. That's why I showed the world the "TIPS BANKING SECRETS" to make one pocket a more offensive game for everyone, not just the Top Champions. 'The Game is the Teacher'
Pathetic Shark
Banned
Put $5000. up and I'll show you.....I AM from Missouri (originally) 'Show Me State"
Put $5000. up and I'll show you....we don't throw anything away, it's all digital. We have more than one camera running at the Champion's Way Training Facility. I give lessons several times a week. Email me in the next 2 hours and I'll give you a 3 hour lesson for $100.....just email me at thegameistheteacher@gmail.com .....this offer expires at 7 PM on Wednesday NOV 16
We are putting together streaming video production at the new pool room that will blow away anything that's ever been seen in the "pool world". TV IS THE FUTURE, but we will support the TV Broadcasts with Streaming Video.
And NO !!! We will not call our "streaming video table" 'the TV Table'... that's just crazy.
Put $5000. up and I'll show you....we don't throw anything away, it's all digital. We have more than one camera running at the Champion's Way Training Facility. I give lessons several times a week. Email me in the next 2 hours and I'll give you a 3 hour lesson for $100.....just email me at thegameistheteacher@gmail.com .....this offer expires at 7 PM on Wednesday NOV 16
We are putting together streaming video production at the new pool room that will blow away anything that's ever been seen in the "pool world". TV IS THE FUTURE, but we will support the TV Broadcasts with Streaming Video.
And NO !!! We will not call our "streaming video table" 'the TV Table'... that's just crazy.
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@ shot was gar mre fun to watch. I that game one had to somtimes go for that bank or cut tht ballin off the end rail. Weight in 9 ball was totally different, the creamdid rise to the top. If the 8 was in the middle of the end rail and the 9 on the other end rail and the one getting weight pushed to the obvious bank. All he had to do wa make thabank. the opposition had to make it and get on the 9.
How often do you see anyone make th big shot and get out these days as cj says? Practically none!
I would love to see the game played as it was even back in the 70's. It was just more fun to watch and straight shooting meant something. That is and what so few recognize what made cj so good. He played so much center ball but center pocket and over powered so many.
I still believe the most entertaining players are the straight shooters and the tooughest to defense
10 TIMES better than "one foul ball in hand kick lucky" rules.
That's for sure, people that don't "REAL EYES" how good 'Two Shot Shoot Out' is just haven't played it or seen it.....it's obviously 10 TIMES better than "one foul ball in hand kick lucky" rules.
'The Game is the Teacher'
That's for sure, people that don't "REAL EYES" how good 'Two Shot Shoot Out' is just haven't played it or seen it.....it's obviously 10 TIMES better than "one foul ball in hand kick lucky" rules.
'The Game is the Teacher'
We can agree to disagree. Az is more like a bar anyway than a lecture hall. I have my ideas about how people should treat other people and they don't always match other people's ideas.
CJ can take care of himself and has proven he can take the heat from folks far more than any other pro who has been here.
I have said my piece and am at peace with it. You all do whatever you think you should do.
Cj
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He simply above us all.....Untouchable!
Anthony.