But the disadvantage is too significant to make it fair.
If you push and don't leave me a shot then I'll just push the cb behind another ball. Now you're forced to kick or jump since you can't push again.
Dumb.
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But the disadvantage is too significant to make it fair.
If you push and don't leave me a shot then I'll just push the cb behind another ball. Now you're forced to kick or jump since you can't push again.
Dumb.
Absolutely, this is correct
Absolutely, this is correct, if your opponent pushes to a shot you don't like you can re roll out to a another shot, then you're both on "one foul" (then and only then is it like "one foul").
Then if the next shooter commits ANY foul it's BALL IN HAND, (like "one foul" at that point).
Back in the 80s this in the ONLY way we played and it was extremely strategic....again, when this game is played correctly it consistently requires more difficult shots than one pocket because you are defending ONE ball against SIX pockets all the time.....so it requires a player to be completely well rounded in banking, cutting, long shots, shots off the end rail, safeties, "two way shots", etc.
This Game is the Teacher
Absolutely, this is correct, if your opponent pushes to a shot you don't like you can re roll out to a another shot, then you're both on "one foul" (then and only then is it like "one foul").
Then if the next shooter commits ANY foul it's BALL IN HAND, (like "one foul" at that point).
Back in the 80s this in the ONLY way we played and it was extremely strategic....again, when this game is played correctly it consistently requires more difficult shots than one pocket because you are defending ONE ball against SIX pockets all the time.....so it requires a player to be completely well rounded in banking, cutting, long shots, shots off the end rail, safeties, "two way shots", etc.
This Game is the Teacher
your opponent can make you shoot again.
If you do that your opponent can make you shoot again....so it would be a bad move....because you would be the one forced to kick or jump.
WHOEVER PUSHES OUT CAN BE MADE TO SHOOT AGAIN....THIS IS WHY IT"S CALLED 'TWO SHOT SHOOT OUT'
If you do that your opponent can make you shoot again....so it would be a bad move....because you would be the one forced to kick or jump.
WHOEVER PUSHES OUT CAN BE MADE TO SHOOT AGAIN....THIS IS WHY IT"S CALLED 'TWO SHOT SHOOT OUT'
The gamblers would NEVER play "one foul" because they'd say "Heck no, I'm not "kickin
You are correct again, you, sir, have obviously played a lot of this game. I'm surprised so many people have forgotten the rules and strategies of this GREAT GAME.
I won over a MILLION dollars in the 80s playing this game all over the country, then it mysteriously disappeared.......and so did most of the gambling at pool.
'Two Shot Shoot Out' is the ultimate gambling game because it created "sparring" between the two players, and one foul ball in hand doesn't (near as much).
The gamblers would NEVER play "one foul" because they'd say "Heck no, I'm not "kicking" at my money". LoL :groucho:
You are correct again, you, sir, have obviously played a lot of this game. I'm surprised so many people have forgotten the rules and strategies of this GREAT GAME.
I won over a MILLION dollars in the 80s playing this game all over the country, then it mysteriously disappeared.......and so did most of the gambling at pool.
'Two Shot Shoot Out' is the ultimate gambling game because it created "sparring" between the two players, and one foul ball in hand doesn't (near as much).
The gamblers would NEVER play "one foul" because they'd say "Heck no, I'm not "kicking" at my money". LoL :groucho:
Anytime you push, I can say 'shoot again'.
The best player ALWAYS WINS over the course of time
This is only half right. In 'Two Shot Shoot Out' you are usually playing "two way shots" - this means you are trying to make a ball AND play safe AND play shape on the next ball too. This is why it's such a strategically advanced game, and if you don't know how to do these 3 things at the same time you will have NO chance against a player that does.
The best player ALWAYS WINS over the course of time, because there's very little luck and it's about discovering your opponents weaknesses and exploiting them.....and at the same time protecting yours (practicing more to have less of them), and maneuvering the game to favor your particular strategy.
'The Game is the Teacher'
This is only half right. In 'Two Shot Shoot Out' you are usually playing "two way shots" - this means you are trying to make a ball AND play safe AND play shape on the next ball too. This is why it's such a strategically advanced game, and if you don't know how to do these 3 things at the same time you will have NO chance against a player that does.
The best player ALWAYS WINS over the course of time, because there's very little luck and it's about discovering your opponents weaknesses and exploiting them.....and at the same time protecting yours (practicing more to have less of them), and maneuvering the game to favor your particular strategy.
'The Game is the Teacher'
Mr. Wil-ey, Sir,
All due respect...If you are going to dominate (aka, HOG) the entire thread, do you think its fair to only respond to questions, or statements that you are comfortable with ?
Shouldn't you at least TRY to address some of the tougher one's ?...LIKE POST'S #876 AND #878 ? (and many others, of the non-hugger, non-banger variety)
Thank You,
Mr. Road Runner
All due respect...If you are going to dominate (aka, HOG) the entire thread, do you think its fair to only respond to questions, or statements that you are comfortable with ?
Shouldn't you at least TRY to address some of the tougher one's ?...LIKE POST'S #876 AND #878 ? (and many others, of the non-hugger, non-banger variety)
Thank You,
Mr. Road Runner
Why doesn't everyone just play 10 ball? If a push out makes it a better game than it should apply to any game. When would you play a push out? After you screwed yourself or your opponent screwed you. Kinda the point of playing one foul. I guess if you suck at kicks, jumping etc. than this is a better game for you. Think one pocket would be a better game if you got to pick what pocket you wanted. You could pick a side or even the same pocket as your opponent. Either that or you have the tree pockets on the left or right side and your opponent has the other three. That would really show who the better overall players were and would make it that much more interesting.
We can play 10 Ball, 9 Ball, or even 6 Ball using the 'Two Shot Shoot Out' rules
We can play 10 Ball, 9 Ball, or even 6 Ball using the 'Two Shot Shoot Out' rules...it's not just for 9 Ball.......I grew up playing 15 ball rotation and we played a variation of the shoot out rules that made us shoot spot shots although there was no "ball in hand" except behind the line on a scratch.
We can play 10 Ball, 9 Ball, or even 6 Ball using the 'Two Shot Shoot Out' rules...it's not just for 9 Ball.......I grew up playing 15 ball rotation and we played a variation of the shoot out rules that made us shoot spot shots although there was no "ball in hand" except behind the line on a scratch.
Strong Arm John was my Road Partner for many of my favorite "Two Shot Shoot Out'
More difficult isn't always better of course and this is a prime example. When someone scratches or fouls on the SECOND time the opponent deserves ball in hand anywhere on the table.
This is how we all played in the "gambling world" and I just went through over 30 emails of people wanting to learn more about 'Two Shot Shoot Out' and/or commenting on the "good ole days' when that was the game of choice across America.
Vernon Elliot was the one that really played it well, I played him in Indianapolis at Tommy Statton's bar for 12 hours and after it was over I had a headache from trying to outmaneuver him playing "SHOOT OUT"......Strong Arm John was my Road Partner for many of my favorite "Two Shot Shoot Out' matches, we won over 100k in Florida alone playing the game.
It's the best game I've ever played on a big table and also a tremendous bar table game. If anyone wants to see the rules I'll have them posted soon at www.cjwiley.com
PS: If anyone has any questions PLEASE don't go through my web site, E Mail me at thegameistheteacher@gmail.com - the web site one received over 100 emails yesterday and it took me over an hour to go through and respond to all of them.
Peace and Play Well Everyone - The Shoot Out Game is the Teacher'
More difficult isn't always better of course and this is a prime example. When someone scratches or fouls on the SECOND time the opponent deserves ball in hand anywhere on the table.
This is how we all played in the "gambling world" and I just went through over 30 emails of people wanting to learn more about 'Two Shot Shoot Out' and/or commenting on the "good ole days' when that was the game of choice across America.
Vernon Elliot was the one that really played it well, I played him in Indianapolis at Tommy Statton's bar for 12 hours and after it was over I had a headache from trying to outmaneuver him playing "SHOOT OUT"......Strong Arm John was my Road Partner for many of my favorite "Two Shot Shoot Out' matches, we won over 100k in Florida alone playing the game.
It's the best game I've ever played on a big table and also a tremendous bar table game. If anyone wants to see the rules I'll have them posted soon at www.cjwiley.com
PS: If anyone has any questions PLEASE don't go through my web site, E Mail me at thegameistheteacher@gmail.com - the web site one received over 100 emails yesterday and it took me over an hour to go through and respond to all of them.
Peace and Play Well Everyone - The Shoot Out Game is the Teacher'
Mr. Wil-ey, Sir,
All due respect...If you are going to dominate (aka, HOG) the entire thread, do you think its fair to only respond to questions, or statements that you are comfortable with ?
Shouldn't you at least TRY to address some of the tougher one's ?...LIKE POST'S #876 AND #878 ? (and many others, of the non-hugger, non-banger variety)
Thank You,
Mr. Road Runner
do you not "real eyes" that you're on IGNORE?
Meanwhile......
That's funny, I don't care who you are.
Meanwhile on onepocket.org......
That's funny, I don't care who you are.
"all pain is the stepping stone to higher game" - CJ Wiley 'The Game is the Teacher'
It wouldn't be kind and considerate to put such a pleasant gentleman on "ignore".
To date I've never put anyone on ignore, even the haters need love and besides, who else would teach up and coming players to be patient and tolerant? "all pain is the stepping stone to higher game" - CJ Wiley 'The Game is the Teacher'
'The Game{of Live}is the Teacher'
It wouldn't be kind and considerate to put such a pleasant gentleman on "ignore".
To date I've never put anyone on ignore, even the haters need love and besides, who else would teach up and coming players to be patient and tolerant? "all pain is the stepping stone to higher game" - CJ Wiley 'The Game is the Teacher'
'The Game{of Live}is the Teacher'
100 read and responded to in a little over an hour! Impressive! You must read and type a lot faster than Jam does.
Time Flies when we're having fun.
Thank Goodness for typing class in high school Time Flies when we're having fun.
Thank Goodness for typing class in high school
Time Flies when we're having fun.
When I was matching up a game I would TRY to get the other player to play another way
Yes, you can roll out after someone rolls out, then you're both on "1 Foul"....then if the one that shoots scratches OR fouls it's "ball in hand" anywhere on the table (exactly like one foul).
The main difference between "One Foul" rules and "Two Foul" rules is you get ONE rollout, and you can take after your opponent rolls out if you choose. This keeps one player that banks, cuts or makes long shots REALLY well from putting his opponent at a complete disadvantage on the "Shoot Outs"(roll outs).
When I was matching up a game I would TRY to get the other player to play "any two fouls" which meant you COULD NOT roll out after a roll out......this would allow me to roll out to jump shots, long, end rail shots, or other shots I could make, but my opponent couldn't.....some of them would go for this, and others wouldn't......either way, it's worth a try 'The Game is the Teacher'
Yes, you can roll out after someone rolls out, then you're both on "1 Foul"....then if the one that shoots scratches OR fouls it's "ball in hand" anywhere on the table (exactly like one foul).
The main difference between "One Foul" rules and "Two Foul" rules is you get ONE rollout, and you can take after your opponent rolls out if you choose. This keeps one player that banks, cuts or makes long shots REALLY well from putting his opponent at a complete disadvantage on the "Shoot Outs"(roll outs).
When I was matching up a game I would TRY to get the other player to play "any two fouls" which meant you COULD NOT roll out after a roll out......this would allow me to roll out to jump shots, long, end rail shots, or other shots I could make, but my opponent couldn't.....some of them would go for this, and others wouldn't......either way, it's worth a try
'The Game is the Teacher'To trap pool players into shooting at the smaller pockets.
It took a little while to sight in on a snooker table. It looked simple enough to get paid by making just one ball. How hard could it be?Best,
Mike