SJD reminds me of Spiderwebbcomm,s version of Lou in his "Lou has a secret" video
It's like I'm reading one of Dicks posts
It's like I'm reading one of Dicks posts
Proposed TAR - TOI VS NO AIMING SYSTEM
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One Pocket game that's fairly close (8/6, 7/8,8/5,6/8,8/7) - The percentage O. Vs. D.
I understand your points, Jay, and let me ask you a question. On a percentage basis, in a One Pocket game that's fairly close (8/6, 7/8,8/5,6/8,8/7) whats the percentage of defensive shots VS offensive shots (ones that require the player to make a ball in his pocket).......what percentage is offense and what percentage is defense?
AtLarge may have the answer to this question if no one else does (we do, but only researched a few matches that were close in "ball count"). Anyone is welcome to provide input - - - from our research One Pocket is 94% Defense and 6% Offensive in a normal match that's close in ball count every game.
CJ, if you truly believe that all there is to playing good One Pocket (either banking balls toward your hole or away from theirs), then I see why you think "roll out" 9-Ball is harder. I'm sorry to be the one to tell you that you haven't even skimmed the surface yet as to what makes One Pocket the great game that it is.
As good as you play Rotation games, I suspect any good One Pocket player would be able to beat you. Someone say like Ike Runnels or Chris Gentile. Not one of the best players, just a competent One Pocket player. Just saying....you don't have a clue based on your remarks here. Maybe you are just stalling trying to get a game. If so good luck. You did say you gave Slim 15-5, so you must know something.
P.S. You will shoot far more combinations, billiards and kicks then you ever will playing any form of 9-Ball. It's not even close here as well. But what do I know, I'm just a guy in a diner, not a former ESPN "World Champion."
I understand your points, Jay, and let me ask you a question. On a percentage basis, in a One Pocket game that's fairly close (8/6, 7/8,8/5,6/8,8/7) whats the percentage of defensive shots VS offensive shots (ones that require the player to make a ball in his pocket).......what percentage is offense and what percentage is defense?
AtLarge may have the answer to this question if no one else does (we do, but only researched a few matches that were close in "ball count"). Anyone is welcome to provide input - - - from our research One Pocket is 94% Defense and 6% Offensive in a normal match that's close in ball count every game.
SJD couldn't stand it any longer and burst out with a loud voice
Enjoy your drinking - it reminds me of a story I heard about you here in Ft. Worth Tx.
The Reverend Lassiter was completing a sobriety sermon and with great expression he said, 'If I had all the beer in the world, I'd take it and throw it into the river.'
With even greater emphasis he added, 'And if I had all the wine in the world, I'd take it and throw it into the river.'
Finally, the Reverend Lassiter said, 'And if I had all the whisky in the world, I'd take it and throw it into the river.'
He sat down.
SJD couldn't stand it any longer and burst out with a loud voice 'For our closing hymn let's sing "Shall We Gather at the River."
Sorry Wil-ey, you lost me with this reply ???
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Enjoy your drinking - it reminds me of a story I heard about you here in Ft. Worth Tx.
The Reverend Lassiter was completing a sobriety sermon and with great expression he said, 'If I had all the beer in the world, I'd take it and throw it into the river.'
With even greater emphasis he added, 'And if I had all the wine in the world, I'd take it and throw it into the river.'
Finally, the Reverend Lassiter said, 'And if I had all the whisky in the world, I'd take it and throw it into the river.'
He sat down.
SJD couldn't stand it any longer and burst out with a loud voice 'For our closing hymn let's sing "Shall We Gather at the River."
Sorry; I have nothing on that.
Are you throwing 2-way shots in as defensive I take it? aka lag shot/kick/banks that if they go you have another shot even if it is difficult or if you miss you block or leave tough position with the cue ball for your opponent... if so I would as a guess 85-90% defensive and 10-15% offensive would be my guess...but just a guess.
I wonder what other sport has over 90% defensive? Chess maybe?
It took me over a year to finally stump you sir.....you must admit it would be a nice statistic to have, although I will assure you MOST shots in One Pocket are defensive.
I wonder what other sport has over 90% defensive? Chess maybe?
One thing I think about when chess is brought up is how physically gifted chess players are......although checker players have more talent and ability overall I hear from Stan.
'Games are the Teacher'
It took me over a year to finally stump you sir.....you must admit it would be a nice statistic to have, although I will assure you MOST shots in One Pocket are defensive.
I wonder what other sport has over 90% defensive? Chess maybe?
One thing I think about when chess is brought up is how physically gifted chess players are......although checker players have more talent and ability overall I hear from Stan.
'Games are the Teacher'
SJD reminds me of Spiderwebbcomm,s version of Lou in his "Lou has a secret" video
It's like I'm reading one of Dicks posts
Pooldude, It is not surprising you are a "Coyote Booster" !..Its about a toss-up, as to which one of you can make the least sensible replies !..All I know is, if two astronauts were talking about outer space..I would STFU, and realize that I would have NOTHING to add to their conversation !
Obviously, you are not burdened with that realization, and you assume that just flapping your gum's, somehow ADDS to the subject at hand !..You couldn't be more wrong, but I'm sure you'll keep trying to impress us !..Do I harrass you guy's when you, and the Coyote are washing dishes over at the truck stop ?.. No I don't !..I would appreciate the same consideration when I am doing what I do best !..Thank you ! :embarrassed2:
El Roadrunner
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Here we go again redefining words to suit your argument. Let's get some help from google...
of·fen·sive
adjective
1. causing someone to feel deeply hurt, upset, or angry.
2. actively aggressive; attacking.
I've certainly met some offensive characters playing pool, but that's not what we're talking about here, so I think it's the second definition that applies.
An offensive shot in one pocket doesn't require making a ball, or even attempting to make a ball. Any time you are moving balls into a scoring position (generally anywhere on your side of the table, but especially near your pocket) or protecting those balls, it is considered offense in one pocket. Conversely, moving balls away from your opponent's side of the table and positioning them where they don't have a good shot are considered defense. Until you get in a position where you're running balls, most good shots are both offensive and defensive.
In pool, a lot of people think that if balls aren't dropping in pockets, nothing is going on. It's this misconception (and/or lack of patience) that keeps one pocket from being as mainstream as 9/10-ball, and also led to the rise of Texas Express rules over 2 fouls 9-ball. If you continue down this path of reasoning, you're going to end up being a spokesperson for Texas Express rules.
Is Talking Down to People Your Way of Getting Respect or is it "Just Showin Off"?
You didn't respond to the question about percentages of offense to defense and I didn't think you could/would. Let's keep the discussion on a positive note and information based kind sir. Your pool room talk is cute and all, but we've "heard it all" before.
How about this question: Name three specific shots that come up in One Pocket that can't come up in Two Shot Shoot Out 9 Ball and define why they are more difficult.
Specify any stroke shot that's more difficult to exiculte than any shot in 9 Ball.
Specify a safety that more difficult in One Pocket than it is in Two Shot Shoot Out 9 Ball.
Then at least we can move past you trying to call out names, and insults to more of a productive debate. Trying to belittle others is a character defect that doesn't favor someone that's in a hall of fame, or representing pocket billiard's game of "one pocket"
"Professionalism is the Teacher' .
Pooldude, It is not surprising you are a "Coyote Booster" !..Its about a toss-up, as to which one of you can make the least sensible replies !..All I know is, if two astronauts were talking about outer space..I would STFU, and realize that I would have NOTHING to add to their conversation !
Obviously, you are not burdened with that realization, and you assume that just flapping your gum's, somehow ADDS to the subject at hand !..You couldn't be more wrong, but I'm sure you'll keep trying to impress us !..Do I harrass you guy's when you, and the Coyote are washing dishes over at the truck stop ?.. No I don't !..I would appreciate the same consideration when I am doing what I do best !..Thank you ! :embarrassed2:
El Roadrunner
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You didn't respond to the question about percentages of offense to defense and I didn't think you could/would. Let's keep the discussion on a positive note and information based kind sir. Your pool room talk is cute and all, but we've "heard it all" before.
How about this question: Name three specific shots that come up in One Pocket that can't come up in Two Shot Shoot Out 9 Ball and define why they are more difficult.
Specify any stroke shot that's more difficult to exiculte than any shot in 9 Ball.
Specify a safety that more difficult in One Pocket than it is in Two Shot Shoot Out 9 Ball.
Then at least we can move past you trying to call out names, and insults to more of a productive debate. Trying to belittle others is a character defect that doesn't favor someone that's in a hall of fame, or representing pocket billiard's game of "one pocket"
"Professionalism is the Teacher' .
It took me over a year to finally stump you sir.....you must admit it would be a nice statistic to have, although I will assure you MOST shots in One Pocket are defensive.
I wonder what other sport has over 90% defensive? Chess maybe?
One thing I think about when chess is brought up is how physically gifted chess players are......although checker players have more talent and ability overall I hear from Stan.
'Games are the Teacher'
Dear Mr. Coy-er, um Wiley,
It is obvious you and Pooldude, (and maybe 1 or 2 other banger's) think you are correct, regarding Chess, checkers, golf, tennis, bowling, etc. !..The thing you keep overlooking is this !...THIS IS A POOL FORUM, and we are discussing the BEST game on a pool table !
As their leader, how can you continue to make such naïve observations, and expect people NOT to question your credibility ?..Hating/disliking One Pocket, is no longer a viable explanation !
Coming from a player of your caliber, I find this beyond 'unbelievable' !..Are you EVER going to admit you are just plain WRONG, before it blows up in your face ??? 
on the contrary they KNEW the rules "leveled the playing field" and gave the.........
What people think "if balls aren't dropping in pockets, nothing is going on"? - that makes no sense, everyone knows something's going on when the balls are moving.
"and also led to the rise of Texas Express rules over 2 fouls 9-ball" - This isn't true at all, Texas Express came several years after 'Two Shot Shoot Out' 9 Ball was discontinued {only in tournaments, gambling matches were virtually ALL Two Shot Shoot Out}and it was because of the promoter Richie Florence and the Jasco Brothers tournaments......it had nothing at all to do with which rules were better, it was to speed up play, thus speeding up tournaments, and potential TV Shows.
"If you continue down this path of reasoning, you're going to end up being a spokesperson for Texas Express rules"......One of my original partners in the pool room business, JOHN McCHESNEY invented Texas Express rules with Randy G. and Robin A. - again, it was to speed up tournaments, not because the rules were better, on the contrary they KNEW the rules "leveled the playing field" and gave the best players less of an advantage.
'The Facts are the Teacher'
What people think "if balls aren't dropping in pockets, nothing is going on"? - that makes no sense, everyone knows something's going on when the balls are moving.
"and also led to the rise of Texas Express rules over 2 fouls 9-ball" - This isn't true at all, Texas Express came several years after 'Two Shot Shoot Out' 9 Ball was discontinued {only in tournaments, gambling matches were virtually ALL Two Shot Shoot Out}and it was because of the promoter Richie Florence and the Jasco Brothers tournaments......it had nothing at all to do with which rules were better, it was to speed up play, thus speeding up tournaments, and potential TV Shows.
"If you continue down this path of reasoning, you're going to end up being a spokesperson for Texas Express rules"......One of my original partners in the pool room business, JOHN McCHESNEY invented Texas Express rules with Randy G. and Robin A. - again, it was to speed up tournaments, not because the rules were better, on the contrary they KNEW the rules "leveled the playing field" and gave the best players less of an advantage.
'The Facts are the Teacher'
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On the contrary, we're discussing the most difficult game on the pool table..
On the contrary, we're discussing the most difficult game on the pool table....please don't change what the discussion is all about so you can post more silly pictures of road runners.
PS: I really like One Pocket, it's just not as difficult as 'Two Shot Shoot Out' 9 Ball
Dear Mr. Coy-er, um Wiley,
It is obvious you and Pooldude, (and maybe 1 or 2 other banger's) think you are correct, regarding Chess, checkers, golf, tennis, bowling, etc. !..The thing you keep overlooking is this !...THIS IS A POOL FORUM, and we are discussing the BEST game on a pool table !
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On the contrary, we're discussing the most difficult game on the pool table....please don't change what the discussion is all about so you can post more silly pictures of road runners.
PS: I really like One Pocket, it's just not as difficult as 'Two Shot Shoot Out' 9 Ball
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The improvement in rules will NOT change who's winning tournaments" - CJ Wiley
Let me be VERY clear about my position on using the best rules possible, and I've said this in so many words.
"The improvement in rules will NOT change who's winning tournaments, they {winners} are willing to do what it takes to win, and that's what makes them winners - on the contrary, establishing the best rules will IMPROVE the integrity and entertainment value of the game and that's what is needed for the players, the commentators and the fans".- CJ Wiley
Let me be VERY clear about my position on using the best rules possible, and I've said this in so many words.
"The improvement in rules will NOT change who's winning tournaments, they {winners} are willing to do what it takes to win, and that's what makes them winners - on the contrary, establishing the best rules will IMPROVE the integrity and entertainment value of the game and that's what is needed for the players, the commentators and the fans".- CJ Wiley
pool and it's players are broke, so the solution is obvious". - CJ Wiley
No, I think what they're doing in the Mosconi Cup is as good as it's going to get. We all wished they would spot the One Ball on the spot like we do in the United States, that gives the European team an incredible advantage. We have to all change our breaking style to accommodate this strange custom and none of the American players break well using the "cut break"......we ALL break well using the standard breaking technique.
Besides the break/rack being so lopsided favoring the European team we all think the rules are fine for the fast paced, happy go lucky style of the MC. It's a special event and not really about who the best players are, it's about momentum, crown support, and the entertainment......and that's great, I wouldn't change it under any circumstances. "if it's not broke, don't try to fix it, if it is broke, you MUST try to fix it - pool and it's players are broke, so the solution is obvious". - CJ Wiley
No, I think what they're doing in the Mosconi Cup is as good as it's going to get. We all wished they would spot the One Ball on the spot like we do in the United States, that gives the European team an incredible advantage. We have to all change our breaking style to accommodate this strange custom and none of the American players break well using the "cut break"......we ALL break well using the standard breaking technique.
Besides the break/rack being so lopsided favoring the European team we all think the rules are fine for the fast paced, happy go lucky style of the MC. It's a special event and not really about who the best players are, it's about momentum, crown support, and the entertainment......and that's great, I wouldn't change it under any circumstances. "if it's not broke, don't try to fix it, if it is broke, you MUST try to fix it - pool and it's players are broke, so the solution is obvious". - CJ Wiley
I think it's great for gambling. But we'll just have to disagree that it would sell to the general public.
By all means though, please prove me wrong.
Going from ending each post with "........ is the teacher" to quoting things you probably never said before and your full name is not an improvement.
...and, make sure that whatever sentence (quote, snippet, what-have-you) that you ended your post message body with, you also make it the title of your post.
-Sean <-- loves it when people plagiarize some other person's quote (or "play-doh-izes" a mangled version of it)