Proposed TAR - TOI VS NO AIMING SYSTEM
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there was not much strategy, it was a shot maker's game.
Pay Ball was mostly played in a "Ring Game" format (3 or more players) so there was not much strategy, it was a shot maker's game.
Keith McCready played it well, and so did Reid Pierce in his prime, as well as golf on a snooker table.
To trap pool players into shooting at the smaller pockets.It took a little while to sight in on a snooker table. It looked simple enough to get paid by making just one ball. How hard could it be?
Best,
Mike
Pay Ball was mostly played in a "Ring Game" format (3 or more players) so there was not much strategy, it was a shot maker's game.
Keith McCready played it well, and so did Reid Pierce in his prime, as well as golf on a snooker table.
Yep, I did get that wrong. He can just tell you to shoot. I'm not perfect, I admit it. Much to my wifes surprise and disappointment.
Yep, I did get that wrong. He can just tell you to shoot. I'm not perfect, I admit it. Much to my wifes surprise and disappointment.
Don't feel bad, I missed that part as well.
Now that I actually understand the rules, I might give it a go tomorrow if I can talk someone into playing that way.
I also understand both sides of the argument as far as BIH anywhere vs. in the kitchen. To SJD's point, it does make the game a bit more difficult by playing in the kitchen. To CJ's point, there's more pressure and more of a penalty if it's anywhere.
QUOTE=CJ Wiley;4413658]Absolutely, this is correct, if your opponent pushes to a shot you don't like you can re roll out to a another shot, then you're both on "one foul" (then and only then is it like "one foul").
This is not correct,only the second player is on 1 foul.
No.
Let's say we're playing. I push (that's one foul), if you shoot or make me shoot and a legal hit is made, then I'm no longer on a foul. However, if you decide to push, that's one foul, and now we're both on a foul. Whoever shoots the shot at that point must make a legal hit or it's BIH, either anywhere or in the kitchen depending on how you want to play.
Yep, I did get that wrong. He can just tell you to shoot. I'm not perfect, I admit it. Much to my wifes surprise and disappointment.
That's why I'm single! :thumbup:
I do like the idea of not kicking at balls every time I play rotation games. The strategy of pushing out has been lost over the years. The moves are similar to one pocket
when you make offensive roll outs. There, I said it! But I do like 9 ball over one hole.Best,
Mike
We always played to where it did spot. That's part of the strategy. Get some balls lined up on the spot. Much more effective when one has to play from fouls from the kitchen.
Yes and no. Rules are set beforehand by the players. The ball before the money always spots.
Best,
Mike
Most of the people I played spotted all balls, including all balls made on the break, if you scratched. I remember later on, some played only spotting one before the money and all others stayed down on fouls. I really don't remember seeing much two shot after around 85. I remember I quit for a couple of years and when I came back, they had started playing a new game, one shot Texas express. I heard espn wanted them to speed up the games, as the reason for the change. I know I didn't like it! One shot made defense much more important than shot making. Now it's rare to see anyone shoot at a tough shot. Ducking is the smart move playing 1 shot and try and get ball in hand, and with diamonds and the fast speed, its now a finesse game with no power stroke needed.
That's right, before each gambling match it was customary to say ........
That's right, before each gambling match it was customary to say "two fouls by the same person?" "spot everything, or just the ball before the money?" and "base of ball or touching the line?"
No one we gambled against played "ball in hand" in the kitchen every time. We played in every state that had a lot of gambling and this was just not done......maybe in New York, but there was never enough gambling there for rood players to go there. The played a race to 100 in straight pool to see who broke first playing 9 Ball.
That's right, before each gambling match it was customary to say "two fouls by the same person?" "spot everything, or just the ball before the money?" and "base of ball or touching the line?"
No one we gambled against played "ball in hand" in the kitchen every time. We played in every state that had a lot of gambling and this was just not done......maybe in New York, but there was never enough gambling there for rood players to go there. The played a race to 100 in straight pool to see who broke first playing 9 Ball.
OK boys...now that the rules are mostly laid out, who is going to jump up and play CJ some of this on a live stream?
I still say where is Bartram when we need him?
I still say where is Bartram when we need him?
There is NO reward for playing safeties in TWO SHOT SHOOT OUT
Correct, playing "one foul ball in hand," dilutes the game and makes "ducking" looked up to when it really should be looked down on......it's boring and heartless to "duck" instead of running out.
When you take the "ball in hand" out of the equation (on the first foul) you will see a MUCH higher level of pool.....no one can argue with that unless they still don't understand how the game's played. Playing 'Two Shot Shoot Out' there's many, many shots that come up that you will rarely see in the game of today.......including long shots off the rail, in TWO SHOT they come up a lot and in one foul players usually "duck" on them.
There is NO reward for playing safeties in TWO SHOT SHOOT OUT, although you do to get another shot, but not to win the game.
Correct, playing "one foul ball in hand," dilutes the game and makes "ducking" looked up to when it really should be looked down on......it's boring and heartless to "duck" instead of running out.
When you take the "ball in hand" out of the equation (on the first foul) you will see a MUCH higher level of pool.....no one can argue with that unless they still don't understand how the game's played. Playing 'Two Shot Shoot Out' there's many, many shots that come up that you will rarely see in the game of today.......including long shots off the rail, in TWO SHOT they come up a lot and in one foul players usually "duck" on them.
There is NO reward for playing safeties in TWO SHOT SHOOT OUT, although you do to get another shot, but not to win the game.
If your opponent pushes out he's on one foul.
Actually it is correct. If your opponent pushes out he's on one foul.....if you don't like it and re roll out you are also on one foul.
Actually it is correct. If your opponent pushes out he's on one foul.....if you don't like it and re roll out you are also on one foul.
Yes, if you foul two times your opponent should win the game.
It doesn't really make the game more difficult, in ways it actually makes it more easy.
When you foul two times your opponent should win the game....of course he still has to run out with ball in hand like they do today.
If you were to play ball in hand behind the line it would slow up the game and again bring out things that are NOT exciting to watch.
When two great players are playing you will rarely see one of them get ball in hand, it's just not going to happen unless they shoot a wild shot and scratch off a ball or something......and if they do this they know they will probably lose the game as a result.
It doesn't really make the game more difficult, in ways it actually makes it more easy.
When you foul two times your opponent should win the game....of course he still has to run out with ball in hand like they do today.
If you were to play ball in hand behind the line it would slow up the game and again bring out things that are NOT exciting to watch.
When two great players are playing you will rarely see one of them get ball in hand, it's just not going to happen unless they shoot a wild shot and scratch off a ball or something......and if they do this they know they will probably lose the game as a result.
Actually CJ, having to shoot from behind the line made the game MORE DIFFICULT than BIH anywhere on the table. Common sense would tell you that. You had to be very adept at shooting at balls on the spot back then. We didn't get the luxury of BIH, that was way too easy! Your version of "shoot out" is a joke! The old style "shoot out" was far more difficult to play then what you're talking about. You were playing a watered down version of the game in the 80's and 90's. Too bad you never got to see the REAL pool players go at it!
Wimpy would have eaten you alive and so would Ed Kelly, Ronnie Allen and Richie Florence just to name a few.
What happens if you get your opponent on 2 fouls,and you have ball in hand behind the line,and you don't like the shot?