Proposed TAR - TOI VS NO AIMING SYSTEM

It has nothing to do with the rules, the field or the game

One Pocket John said:
Just my $0.02

9 ball and 10 ball are very boring games, require very little thought rather than thinking a couple of balls ahead and repeating the same action over, and over and over again.

One pocket, 14.1, eight ball, straight pool, American rotation and golf (on a 5x10) require thought. They may be boring to the viewing audience but the intensity is still there.

Thanks CJ for all that you contribute to the game and your willingness to help other players become better players. Man. I sure could have used your help back in '63. :-)

John
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My pleasure, John, there's a ton of exciting things going on right now in the development stage.....it's now just a matter of time for Pro. Pool.

People like to see one tough shot for the cash. They like to be emotionally included in that shot....it's similar to the "4th and one" situation with 30 seconds on the clock......and you're behind by 2 at the 50 yard line.

This situation is the key....it has nothing to do with the rules, the field or the game at this point.....it's about the emotion. 'The Game is the Teacher'
 
Mr. Wilson said:
Keep it cool guys.




How about BIH for any missed shot? ( failure to pocket a ball )
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BRUTAL game for mortals. tube WORTHY

us geezers called it "california express", don't know what the wippersnappers call it.

in order to minimize luck the incoming player could decline the leave after the break or a miss
 
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It's All About Creativity and Imagination - and the "Magic Bullet"

YubaCushion said:
I get it about the two shot. I understand.
I'm on to how to get people involved in the game. And that is like the reality shows do it now. Making the people interesting and the interest will carry over into the game. Every time the thread might turn that way here's apple face with the negative doom and gloom you don't know jack number. That's what he needs to give a rest.That and using exclamation points.
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TV is about entertainment, nothing more, nothing less....what is the "pool formula"?

I guess we have to ask ourselves the following question ........

Look, if you had one shot, one opportunity
To seize everything you ever wanted, one moment
Would you capture it, or just let it slip?
 
CJ Wiley said:
TV is about entertainment, nothing more, nothing less....what is the "pool formula"?

I guess we have to ask ourselves the following question ........

Look, if you had one shot, one opportunity
To seize everything you ever wanted, one moment
Would you capture it, or just let it slip?
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The formula now is make the people interesting and it kinda doesn't matter what there doing. Like one post said they made cutting wood interesting. American pickers, again the people. The people in the pool rooms and halls( what are left). would be broadcasting gold. Plus people are familiar with the game. That would be entertainment.
 
Pool is very much like Boxing, but instead of flurries of punches.......

one stroke said:
Here's a news flash its 2013 and there is 300 channels not 3 and if pool was played at that pace with talking and running out of balls it would not be where it is today but its not people loved the commercials but the live version resembling grass growing in a church like setting appeals to very very few

And I would say you have to get a little down that list before you find any personalities

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ESPN is the same now as it was in the 90's except their total Universe is 112 Million people and we only had 65 Million......the number of channels makes very little difference compared to the increase in house holds......we consistently got "1" Ratings which is One Million Households......what's missing from pool is the COMBAT.....one player DARING the other player to shoot or pass.......the sparring aspect is what is lacking.

Pool is very much like Boxing, but instead of flurries of punches you have flurries of shots, or at the upper level flurries of racks. Instead of hooks and jabs you have draws and stuns, instead of knock out punches, you have knock out breaks, instead of ducking and dodging you're kicking and playing safe, you don't lose blood but you do lose pride, instead of 15 rounds you must win 15 games.

9 Ball with 'Two Shot Shoot Out' Rules is the best TV Game, it's fast and easy to follow because there's always just one target for the fans to follow - also there's lots of tough, challenging shots. Like Boxing there can be a pre show of the brutal training the two players have to go through to compete. And of course the championship Belt.

Call pocket, Winner Break, no specialty cues, no corner ball, break from the box, 4.25 inch pockets, Incoming Player has option to pass the shot unless it's a safe, one two way shot a game, one two way safe a game, and a 15 second shot clock, race to 15, and a Ref. with white gloves racking the balls, and players dressed in Giorgio Armani.

However, like I have stated in my last posts there must be an emotional attachment to the professionals playing the game. The Game cannot be expected to draw the audience, but the players can. It's been done before and history always repeats its self as long as the model is duplicated properly.

It's just a matter of changing the present paradigm and that's a matter of implementing a strategic plan to give the audience what they are demanding, and adding the production "Magic Bullet".
 
CJ Wiley said:
ESPN is the same now as it was in the 90's except their total Universe is 112 Million people and we only had 65 Million......the number of channels makes very little difference compared to the increase in house holds......we consistently got "1" Ratings which is One Million Households......what's missing from pool is the COMBAT.....one player DARING the other player to shoot or pass.......the sparring aspect is what is lacking.

Pool is very much like Boxing, but instead of flurries of punches you have flurries of shots, or at the upper level flurries of racks. Instead of hooks and jabs you have draws and stuns, instead of knock out punches, you have knock out breaks, instead of ducking and dodging you're kicking and playing safe, you don't lose blood but you do lose pride, instead of 15 rounds you must win 15 games.

9 Ball with 'Two Shot Shoot Out' Rules is the best TV Game, it's fast and easy to follow because there's always just one target for the fans to follow - also there's lots of tough, challenging shots. Like Boxing there can be a pre show of the brutal training the two players have to go through to compete. And of course the championship Belt.

Call pocket, Winner Break, no specialty cues, no corner ball, break from the box, 4.25 inch pockets, Incoming Player has option to pass the shot unless it's a safe, one two way shot a game, one two way safe a game, and a 15 second shot clock, race to 15, and a Ref. with white gloves racking the balls, and players dressed in Giorgio Armani.

However, like I have stated in my last posts there must be an emotional attachment to the professionals playing the game. The Game cannot be expected to draw the audience, but the players can. It's been done before and history always repeats its self as long as the model is duplicated properly.

It's just a matter of changing the present paradigm and that's a matter of implementing a strategic plan to give the audience what they are demanding, and adding the production "Magic Bullet".
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I think your overestimating the value of pool to the casual viewer I have been in sports bars with pool on when there are other sports on and it gets very little attention ,, I just can't imagine a scenario where pool becomes must see TV. and No it's not the same ESPN they did not have the major sports locked up like they do now ,they filled air time up with things like pool swimming rodeo and grass growing and the only way it hit a million views is when there simply was nothing better to watch


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CJ Wiley said:
ESPN is the same now as it was in the 90's except their total Universe is 112 Million people and we only had 65 Million......the number of channels makes very little difference compared to the increase in house holds......we consistently got "1" Ratings which is One Million Households......what's missing from pool is the COMBAT.....one player DARING the other player to shoot or pass.......the sparring aspect is what is lacking.

Pool is very much like Boxing, but instead of flurries of punches you have flurries of shots, or at the upper level flurries of racks. Instead of hooks and jabs you have draws and stuns, instead of knock out punches, you have knock out breaks, instead of ducking and dodging you're kicking and playing safe, you don't lose blood but you do lose pride, instead of 15 rounds you must win 15 games.

9 Ball with 'Two Shot Shoot Out' Rules is the best TV Game, it's fast and easy to follow because there's always just one target for the fans to follow - also there's lots of tough, challenging shots. Like Boxing there can be a pre show of the brutal training the two players have to go through to compete. And of course the championship Belt.

Call pocket, Winner Break, no specialty cues, no corner ball, break from the box, 4.25 inch pockets, Incoming Player has option to pass the shot unless it's a safe, one two way shot a game, one two way safe a game, and a 15 second shot clock, race to 15, and a Ref. with white gloves racking the balls, and players dressed in Giorgio Armani.

However, like I have stated in my last posts there must be an emotional attachment to the professionals playing the game. The Game cannot be expected to draw the audience, but the players can. It's been done before and history always repeats its self as long as the model is duplicated properly.

It's just a matter of changing the present paradigm and that's a matter of implementing a strategic plan to give the audience what they are demanding, and adding the production "Magic Bullet".
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You still don't get it. You give them a 15 second shot clock, and you just knocked most of what the viewers really want to see right out of the game. Why does everyone want to see McCready and Earl? Because of the banter they have. 15 sec., you just eliminated what the viewers want to see, and the only thing that has a chance of making pool work on T.V. Better go back to your think tank for a while.
 
One Pocket John said:
Just my $0.02

9 ball and 10 ball are very boring games, require very little thought rather than thinking a couple of balls ahead and repeating the same action over, and over and over again.

One pocket, 14.1, eight ball, straight pool, American rotation and golf (on a 5x10) require thought. They may be boring to the viewing audience but the intensity is still there.

Thanks CJ for all that you contribute to the game and your willingness to help other players become better players. Man. I sure could have used your help back in '63. :-)

John
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Thank You John, We need more people like you for sure.
 
difficult shots under pressure

BasementDweller said:
Boy oh Boy....CJ's persistence has grown on me. It should be abundantly clear to everyone why this guy was a champion on the pool table -- the guy just doesn't give up. You have to admire the guy for that much.


(Did I just say "Boy oh Boy"? How old am I? This place is turning me into an old man).


Oh and I still think championship level 9 ball is more difficult than championship level one-pocket....but of course I've played neither so what do I know??? Don't answer that SJD.

For many of us, it boils down to this -- pool in all of its forms is NOT rocket science. Even one-pocket, with all of its intricacies, still isn't all that difficult. It doesn't take a genius to identify all the possible shots from any given one-pocket lay out. Sure it takes more thought that good old fashioned 9 ball, but half of the time you’re thinking about "what can I do here to avoid having to actually shoot at something." ;)

So for people that view the game the way I do, we are not so impressed with the creativity of players but with their ability to execute. This is where I think CJ has it right, in that HIS version of 9 Ball forces players to bring it! You have to execute to win. Actually, I'm such a simple guy -- I'm still more impressed watching powerful old fashioned 9 ball or 10 ball than one-pocket.
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Yes, people want to see the difficult shots under pressure and be involved with the shot.
 
I'd willingly sacrifice it for the sake of the Game's entertainment value any day.

Yes, it's amazing how over time certain things are accepted as reality. One Foul has people thinking that pool's always been boring, that the shots are either "ducks," kicks," or easy run outs......and this, in 'Two Shot Shoot Out' is far from the truth....in this game there's at least one tough, off the rail, or long shot a game....sometimes two (unless there's a break-and-run)......to guarantee the tough shot there needs to be a required roll-out to start the game.....this also takes the break/rack out of the game as well.....I personally like the break, but it's not necessary, I'd willingly sacrifice it for the sake of the Game's entertainment value any day. 'The Game is the Teacher'
 
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CJ Wiley said:
Yes, it's amazing how over time certain things are accepted as reality.<--??? One Foul has people thinking that pool's always been boring, that the shots are either "ducks," kicks," or easy run outs......and this, in 'Two Shot Shoot Out' is far from the truth.<--???...in this game there's at least one tough, off the rail, or long shot a game....sometimes two (unless there's a break-and-run)......to guarantee the tough shot there needs to be a required roll-out to start the game.<--???....this also takes the break/rack out of the game as well.....I personally like the break, but it's not necessary, I'd willingly sacrifice it for the sake of the Game's entertainment value any day.<--??? 'The Game is the Teacher'
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Well folks, it appears this thread may be mercifully drawing to a close..I certainly hope so ! Mr. YogaBushion (or whatever
his name is) has used up his last brain cell, trying for the 'clever insult',.....And, Mr. Wiley is in danger of REPEATING himself
to death ! (a truly horrible way to go) :eek:

But, stay tuned sports fans..I am working on a new thread, that will have all the drama and excitement, of a game of '2 shot-shootout 9 ball' !..Mr. Wiley will love it, as he will be a key character..Thus eliminating the need for him to 'hi-jack' it, but it may also put him in danger of "TERMINAL" Repeat ! :sorry:

PS..I am still working on a thread title, but so far the leader in the clubhouse is;.."The Roadrunner Meets the Rain Man" ;)

Rain_Man_poster.jpg
 
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i took a poll last night w/ 50 APA players @ Greensboro, NC.
RE: 2 shot shoot out & One Pocket, etc

in a nutshell - no one had ever heard of 2shot (100% knew TX Holdem); 50% knew of 1 pocket & didn't care; some vaguely remembered us doing Bonus Ball last month w/ JA; 3 were involved w/ American Rotation (2 quit this new season); all played 8/9/10-ball.

additionally

only 1 person (our group of 7 is excluded) even had a clue, as to WHO all the FORMER & CURRENT Pros are. (i threw out ALL the names) exception was EARL - he ranked 90%.

meanwhile

they looked @ my shirt (compliments of Majic) & asked: what's AZBilliards?


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What a surreal moment as my mind raced to understand how I could........

I was at a local pool room last night showing players the intricacies of 'Two Shot Shoot Out' - I kept hearing the sound of the guy on the next table hitting his shots. This seemed kind of odd, I'm usually not aware of the sound of someone hitting the cue ball, this seemed strangely different.

I watched him hit a couple of shots and he seemed to be playing very similar to how I do as far as the contact of the cue ball and the sound that it made. I approached him between games and said "you're not from around here are you?" he replied "no, I'm from Mississippi...you don't remember be do you?"

I looked at him for something to "jog" my memory (something was familiar) and answered "I know we've talked before, and I like the way you hit the ball." He gestured at his cue and said "I bet you remember that cue!" Glancing quickly where he was pointing, wonder what he meant, I saw one of my original "signature line cues" I endorsed with McDermott many years ago.

"Wow, that's one of my originals." He smiled, with a twinkle in his eye and exclaimed "that IS your original, I bought it off you after watching you play with it back in '94'...you had retired it to the display case at 'CJ's' and I convinced you to sell it to me, I've had it ever since."

This sent a shiver down my spine as I picked it up looking at the yin and yang sign I had used on the butt, and the special wood used for the original design. "That's why I kept noticing the sound it made, it was modeled identically after the Bludworth Cue I'm playing with now."

What a surreal moment as my mind raced to understand how I could have identified the sound made by my cue's long, lost brother. "That's amazing, we were basically using the same cue playing side by side and I unconsciously was signaled by the sound your cue made and it stood out like a church bell on Sunday morning.

We both had a laugh, talked about the "good ole days at CJ's," and chalked this up as one of those special times in life that makes me wonder how it's all enter woven so beautifully together. A part of me wants to understand and the other part is glad I don't. 'The Game is the Teacher'
 
CJ Wiley said:
I was at a local pool room last night showing players the intricacies of 'Two Shot Shoot Out' - I kept hearing the sound of the guy on the next table hitting his shots. This seemed kind of odd, I'm usually not aware of the sound of someone hitting the cue ball, this seemed strangely different.

I watched him hit a couple of shots and he seemed to be playing very similar to how I do as far as the contact of the cue ball and the sound that it made. I approached him between games and said "you're not from around here are you?" he replied "no, I'm from Mississippi...you don't remember be do you?"

I looked at him for something to "jog" my memory (something was familiar) and answered "I know we've talked before, and I like the way you hit the ball." He gestured at his cue and said "I bet you remember that cue!" Glancing quickly where he was pointing, wonder what he meant, I saw one of my original "signature line cues" I endorsed with McDermott many years ago.

"Wow, that's one of my originals." He smiled, with a twinkle in his eye and exclaimed "that IS your original, I bought it off you after watching you play with it back in '94'...you had retired it to the display case at 'CJ's' and I convinced you to sell it to me, I've had it ever since."

This sent a shiver down my spine as I picked it up looking at the yin and yang sign I had used on the butt, and the special wood used for the original design. "That's why I kept noticing the sound it made, it was modeled identically after the Bludworth Cue I'm playing with now."

What a surreal moment as my mind raced to understand how I could have identified the sound made by my cue's long, lost brother. "That's amazing, we were basically using the same cue playing side by side and I unconsciously was signaled by the sound your cue made and it stood out like a church bell on Sunday morning.

We both had a laugh, talked about the "good ole days at CJ's," and chalked this up as one of those special times in life that makes me wonder how it's all enter woven so beautifully together. A part of me wants to understand and the other part is glad I don't. 'The Game is the Teacher'
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You wrote this exact same story a couple of months ago......
 
scooter_banks said:
You wrote this exact same story a couple of months ago......
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I was thinking the same thing. He must have written about 100 posts, and then periodically just throws them up without even caring if they are pertinent to the conversation or not. Must be part of his marketing strategy...forgotten if not seen, so have to post something every so many hours, just like a commercial.
 
CJ, Thanks for the story. I know it must be hard to muster up any ambition to tell us these tales when you have to explain away all the circumstances involved. FWIW, there's more than a few of us that will take what you say at face value and not stir the pot. Although I grew up in Chicago, I must be more naive than most. violent-smiley38.gif:grin-square:

Best,
Mike
 
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