Pros And Cons of the "G-10" Pin

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WheatCues

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My fellow Cuemakers and Cuesmiths,

I have been getting alot of requests for the G-10 pin and I have visited the website and did a little research, however it will not tell me what YOU can about the ins and outs of them as well as the hype....

I have ZERO experience with these pins and are getting ready to order a few...

So my question is :

Are these pins really all that ? and should I expect this to become a neccessity with my inventory ???

And are there any quirks about them or any pertainant info I should know???

All feedback is really appreciated and I would love to hear from those of you who install these regularly !



Thanks again, Eddie Wheat
 
I've used the ball kind.
First, it has maple weight.
It flexes. If you tap the jointed cue, you can see there is flex is the joint area unlike in metal joint screws. Am not gonna argue the merits of that. It's just there.
The ones I got are dead nuts straight. I mearured the alignment barrel before I install them. If they have a taper, they are joint protector stems.
Prolly the biggest drawback is it's abrassive. Whether it wears out the threads or not, I dunno. I have seen some Cog's where there was so much play in the shaft. I think that is due to his thread config though not the material.
I coat mine with tung oil b/c I hate that chalky look on them. Plus tung oil makes the joining a little smoother.
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Fibreglass is really quite abrasive. We have ultra sonic polishing stones, they are fibreglass sticks impregnated with an abrasive of known grit sizes. The finest ones seem to be about 1500 to 2000 grit and look just like they are fibreglass only.Carbon fibre is very abrasive to machine, but can act like a self lubricating component when in service.
But to your question, I have not used it and at this stage don't intend to. I use a stainless pin and like it.
Neil
 
i think the G-10 has excellent resonance characteristics and obviously excellent weight.they are plenty strong,and while they do flex a little,i don't think it has any effect on playability.

i have heard that they are abrasive,but i have never seen any problems from them like stripped threads.

i have seen some of the Radial or Ball G-10 pins that seem like you can keep tightening the shaft.it just keeps clicking.it may have been those particular pins,but i like to use the 3/8-10 with the smaller minor instead of the Radial for that reason.

also i have noticed that the pins seem to fit looser in the threads than brass.
 
Thought provoking question.....if G-10 pins are all that, why aren't the very best cuemakers in the world using them?
 
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cueaddicts said:
Thought provoking question.....if G-10 pins are all that, why aren't the very best cuemakers in the world using them?
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Maybe b/c they know Joe Gold originated it?
 
conetip said:
Fibreglass is really quite abrasive. We have ultra sonic polishing stones, they are fibreglass sticks impregnated with an abrasive of known grit sizes. The finest ones seem to be about 1500 to 2000 grit and look just like they are fibreglass only.Carbon fibre is very abrasive to machine, but can act like a self lubricating component when in service.
But to your question, I have not used it and at this stage don't intend to. I use a stainless pin and like it.
Neil
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G10 is not fiberglass!...JER
 
not Garolite either.Garolite is just a nickname for phenolic from a certain company.

it is "an electrical-grade epoxy resin system combined with a glass fabric substrate"
 
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It's glass based phenolic.
You have linen based and canvas based.
Garolite is a trademark as far as I know.
 
i think in a few more years everyone will be using it,and the best cuemakers in the world right now use SS piloted joints for the most part.after them all the top cuemakers are using them.
 
Regarding Your Responses....

This is the kind of feedback I was hoping for !

Wow, there's alot of insight here, I'm learning a great deal already about the G-10's.....as far as installation goes, is there a special tap or procedure I should be aware of as well ?

Thanks, Everyone !



- Eddie Wheat
 
masonh said:
i think in a few more years everyone will be using it,and the best cuemakers in the world right now use SS piloted joints for the most part.after them all the top cuemakers are using them.
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I think you should say "IN MY OPINION" everyone will be using G10 screws. Because in my opinion very few of the worlds BEST cuemakers, use this type of screw. As for a stainless joint, a LOT of the best cuemakers in the world are NOT using steel joints or offer several joint choices...JER
 
G-10 or commonly known as Garolite

masonh said:
not Garolite either.Garolite is just a nickname for phenolic from a certain company.

it is "an electrical-grade epoxy resin system combined with a glass fabric substrate"
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"Garolite" is the McMaster-Carr trade name for "a glass cloth with an epoxy resin binder. It is commonly called "Garolite" hence the "G" as in G-10.

Bob Flynn
 
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WheatCues said:
My fellow Cuemakers and Cuesmiths,

I have been getting alot of requests for the G-10 pin and I have visited the website and did a little research, however it will not tell me what YOU can about the ins and outs of them as well as the hype....

I have ZERO experience with these pins and are getting ready to order a few...

So my question is :

Are these pins really all that ? and should I expect this to become a neccessity with my inventory ???

And are there any quirks about them or any pertainant info I should know???

All feedback is really appreciated and I would love to hear from those of you who install these regularly !



Thanks again, Eddie Wheat
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Hi Eddie,
Giving the customer what he wants, is very important, however, in this case the customer only knows what someone has told him, or he thinks this is what I want.

I had many request for G-10, pins, stainless joints, differant pins sizes, incerts, and so on, over the years. I only built what I knew would play the best. That was the way I built my cues. I knew more than my customers when it comes to playability, in my cues, so I, built them the way I wanted.

As far as the art work, I did mostly what my customers wanted.
Some might say I was wrong, in the construction of my cues, but consider this, YOUR THE BUILDER, YOUR CUSTOMER IS NOT.

I would not change the integrty of my cues for a customer. They came to me because my cues played great.
After doing this for so long, the customers knew what to expect in my cues.

Changing from one pin to another, changing joint sizes, tapers, ect, ect, your customers can get confussed and you never suceed in building cues that play the same, with so many changes. I've taught many how to build cues, and have always told them to stick with what works, get it down pat, and stay with it, don't change, because you have to learn on how to make that change play like the other cues you built. Build what hits to best, changing pins, joint sizes, ecet, willl make each cue play differantly..

Keep this in mind, every change you make, makes the new cue play differant....No exceptions.... All the greats, built there cues the same over and again, same joint size, used the same pin, and tapers.. Think about it...Build them as you want them, your the cue maker, make your cues play great. Change ups, is just like change up pitching....never the same....

Now, all of you customers don't get up set over this, if you do, why not build your own cue? Why did you come to Eddie or another cue maker? Because you hit balls with his cue? Change some thing in the construction of the cue, and it's not the same....

Sticking to my guns, over the years, I, gained a great reputation for the playability of my cues, my customer knew what they were buying.. No need to experiment..

With names as Buddy Hall, Grady, Jimmy, Danny DeLiberto, Buddy Dennis, Belinda Beardon, Mary Kenniston, Wade Crane, C J Whiley, Jersey Red, Red, and the list goes on, and on.

I had 17 former and current world champions playing with my [ same construction], methdos for over 12-1/2 years. Worked for me...Get it down Patt, it ain't broke.

BTW, never paid a single penny for an endorcement.. don't believe in it, if the products the same from one cue to another, they will follow, my friend....

If you like, give me a call, I'll help all I, can..830-796-1610

Blud
 
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Hi Eddie,
Giving the customer what he wants, is very important, however, in this case the customer only knows what someone has told him, or he thinks this is what I want.

I had many request for G-10, pins, stainless joints, differant pins sizes, incerts, and so on, over the years. I only built what I knew would play the best. That was the way I built my cues. I knew more than my customers when it comes to playability, in my cues, so I, built them the way I wanted.

As far as the art work, I did mostly what my customers wanted.
Some might say I was wrong, in the construction of my cues, but consider this, YOUR THE BUILDER, YOUR CUSTOMER IS NOT.

I would not change the integrty of my cues for a customer. They came to me because my cues played great.
After doing this for so long, the customers knew what to expect in my cues.

Changing from one pin to another, changing joint sizes, tapers, ect, ect, your customers can get confussed and you never suceed in building cues that play the same, with so many changes. I've taught many how to build cues, and have always told them to stick with what works, get it down pat, and stay with it, don't change, because you have to learn on how to make that change play like the other cues you built. Build what hits to best, changing pins, joint sizes, ecet, willl make each cue play differantly..

Keep this in mind, every change you make, makes the new cue play differant....No exceptions.... All the greats, built there cues the same over and again, same joint size, used the same pin, and tapers.. Think about it...Build them as you want them, your the cue maker, make your cues play great. Change ups, is just like change up pitching....never the same....

Now, all of you customers don't get up set over this, if you do, why not build your own cue? Why did you come to Eddie or another cue maker? Because you hit balls with his cue? Change some thing in the construction of the cue, and it's not the same....

Sticking to my guns, over the years, I, gained a great reputation for the playability of my cues, my customer knew what they were buying.. No need to experiment..

With names as Buddy Hall, Grady, Jimmy, Danny DeLiberto, Buddy Dennis, Belinda Beardon, Mary Kenniston, Wade Crane, C J Whiley, Jersey Red, Red, and the list goes on, and on.

I had 17 former and current world champions playing with my [ same construction], methdos for over 12-1/2 years. Worked for me...Get it down Patt, it ain't broke.

BTW, never paid a single penny for an endorcement.. don't believe in it, if the products the same from one cue to another, they will follow, my friend....

If you like, give me a call, I'll help all I, can..830-796-1610

Blud
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Leonard,

Thankyou very much for taking the time to advise me on your successful tips... I appreciate all your insight and have great respect for you're cuemaking ability !


Sincerely, Eddie Wheat
 
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I think you should say "IN MY OPINION" everyone will be using G10 screws. Because in my opinion very few of the worlds BEST cuemakers, use this type of screw. As for a stainless joint, a LOT of the best cuemakers in the world are NOT using steel joints or offer several joint choices...JER
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when i said ,"i THINK in a few years,etc" that pretty much denotes an opinion.if you don't like the pin that is up to you,all i said was that in a few years most of the top cuemakers making flat faced joints will use them.

also when he was referring to the best cuemakers in the world,i figured he was speaking of Szamboti,Haley,and Searing also maybe Showman,Tascarella and Gina.90%+ of those cues are SS joints.

thnaks for pointing that out though Jerry,i will try to be more careful next time.
 
the G stands for grade as in "grade 10" or "grade 5" or "grade 30",et all.



Graolite is a general term and brand name used in describing many different types of phenolic.i can't say for sure that NcMasters and Carr didn't come up with the same,but i doubt they did b/c the name has been around for a long,long time.
 
The only time I have used the G10 is when I needed something to match the weight I was trying to achieve, Only two cues todate, They play fine and install same as the rest.
 
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