Prove CTE is better than Ghost Ball
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I don't know why, but I will "bite".
CTE- I have actual material things to look at to get my visuals for the shot.
GB- I have to imagine, or guess where the gb is supposed to be, then shoot there.
Objective aim points are far more reliable than guessing where the center of an imaginary ball is supposed to be. I'm after reliability, so GB is out the window. As it should be for any serious player. Can't think off hand of any way of aiming that is lower on the totem pole of reliability than ghost ball is in actual play.
In fairness though, GB is tops in diagramming shots.
edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-L4QMNiVxk
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The ghost ball is the best ,you've already proven this.
Make a video of yourself running a 9 ball rack duckie....show the world you can.....that's right you won't .
Why ??.....because not only are you the number one ghost ball user,you also have ghost balls.
You say some things that just make know sense,you ever thought about going to see a ducktor?
Just kidding ,ghost ball is the nuts.
Wow.....first answer closed the case on this one. Excellent job Neil.
I want to play with your set of object balls
It must be cool to have a set up object balls that have lines on them that always line up specifically the right way for the shot to go in a pocket. If you don't have the lines then they are imaginary lines on the object ball (a, b, and c) and cant be objective aim points.
Can't have it both ways, or are you just hypocritical?
Now if you can imagine the a, b, and c lines on the cue ball, then surely a person can imagine a ghost ball or a spot where the ghost ball sits.
Lets do an experiment. Close your eyes, in fact you don't even need to close them. Now think of a pink elephant. You saw it didn't you. Now think of a cue ball. Bet you saw that also. The only way you would not see it is if you did not know what a cue ball is.
It must be cool to have a set up object balls that have lines on them that always line up specifically the right way for the shot to go in a pocket. If you don't have the lines then they are imaginary lines on the object ball (a, b, and c) and cant be objective aim points.
Can't have it both ways, or are you just hypocritical?
Now if you can imagine the a, b, and c lines on the cue ball, then surely a person can imagine a ghost ball or a spot where the ghost ball sits.
Lets do an experiment. Close your eyes, in fact you don't even need to close them. Now think of a pink elephant. You saw it didn't you. Now think of a cue ball. Bet you saw that also. The only way you would not see it is if you did not know what a cue ball is.
Can you prove that you can make a ball with cb-ob distance more than 1,5 diamonds ???
With thinking like that, it's no wonder you can't use CTE.
You say some things that just make know sense,you ever thought about going to see a ducktor?
Would you suggest that he go to see the infamous Quack Ducktor?
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Oh, they work great for me. Just wondering why you always choose not to use them in your posts???
Already been done many times.
I posted many videos comparing the two.
Let's see your video proving the opposite. We can have a contest where I match you shot for shot.
Or better yet, go ahead and take the pocketing test and Dr. Dave's Billiard University exam. See if you can finish higher than any CTE user.
Oh, they work great for me. Just wondering why you always choose not to use them in your posts???
Why do you hate just because you can't come up something that shows common sense. I am sorry you can't comprehend, I didn't think it was above you as I thought you were intelligent.
Go ahead use another third grade comeback. You are like a punching bag. Beat up but bounces back.
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I'm not hating. I just don't see the sense of responding in a nice way to someone that obviously is here only to mock, and not learn anything. And, can't see the obvious and keeps making ridiculous points thinking they are good points. Funny that you talk about intelligence when you are the one that can't figure out how to use CTE. :wink:
Here you go Duckie. As requested, a video using the arrow template vs. CTE.
This is my entry, where is yours?
http://youtu.be/fMNs82JOumU
This is my entry, where is yours?
http://youtu.be/fMNs82JOumU
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You know I think CTE is better than Ghost Ball, but I don't think you're using the arrow correctly on those thin cuts. It looks like the quarter of the CB is rolling over the point, when it should be the center of the CB. I don't doubt someone could miss a shot using the arrow, and have it be due to CIT. However, CIT wouldn't make you completely miss the OB as you did.
The point is that I wasn't TRYING to make the ball not roll over the center of the arrow point. I am not sure how else I am supposed to use it? The whole point of the arrow is that the teeny point represents the ghost ball center and you should aim for that and roll over it to insure contact with the OB at the right contact point. I have seen no other instructions other than that on how to use it. I guess I could go back and try to find the passage in Cranfield's book for beginners that explains it.
As I showed with no ball I was able to make it roll OVER the center from a sharp angle when no ball was present.
CIT, Contact Induced Throw, is by definition is what occurs on contact. So if the cue ball misses the whole object ball then CIT isn't even part of the shot.
Now, let's talk about why I didn't even hit the ball. I was focusing on trying to line up center to gb point for the sharp cut. For the shallower cuts I was able to do it no problem but for the thinner cuts I missed the ball completely while consciously trying to roll over the arrow's point.
Using CTE I was able to hit the ball cleanly and cut it in. And this is available with every shot like that which you face, no template or guide needed.
The point remains that adding an external device to "learn" ghost ball only complicates the process. If anything GB should be learned through full imagination to better develop one's spatial abilities if one really wants to use GB as an aiming method in actual play.
I would be more than happy to go up against Duckie in a shot making contest and spot him the arrow.
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At around 4:10 JB says, "I think I'm pretty good at simply rolling over the spot." He then proceeds to flail his cue all over the place while trying to do just that.
This is really too much. I don't even know what to say anymore.
I do love your enthusiasm -- I'll give you that much.
This is really too much. I don't even know what to say anymore.
I do love your enthusiasm -- I'll give you that much.
What ARE you talking about?
The ball was LONG GONE before the cue moved sideways. You guys all all focused on the wrong thing here. The cue ball rolled right over the point as it was aimed.
If you don't know what to say then make your own videos and show what you want to show.
Go frame by frame the ball is long gone before my back hand swings out. The tip went through the cue ball straight. I will bet $1000 that anyone can put this video into whatever frame by frame analysis you want and the cue will have gone straight through the ball at contact. The cue movement that you are making fun of doesn't matter. That shot didn't require any big follow through.
Go ahead and draw a line from the center of the arrow template point and the center of the cue stick and I bet $1000 that it's within a mm at the moment of impact and just beyond after the ball is gone.
So you don't know what to say? How about, I was wrong, the ball went over the spot just as John said it did?
Glad you admire my enthusiasm because until you keyboard wizards get off your butts to join the video discussion you are stuck with me. So if you can do it better or differently then get to it. The question is prove CTE is better than ghost ball and I think I proved it. I could do a lot more on this.
The first thought I had when you missed the ball entirely is maybe the arrow was just a little too long, or not seated snug underneath the OB.
Just a thought.
Otherwise I think you illustrated the points between the two systems (yes I think ghost ball is a system too) well.
Just a thought.
Otherwise I think you illustrated the points between the two systems (yes I think ghost ball is a system too) well.