Pulling up in the middle of a set when score is tied

It really doesn't matter who was trying to get the upper-hand.Anyone who
gambles wants it tilted in there favor,even if its by a small margin.Dennis
thought he had a easy game and Rob bluffed him into believing it.
Were talking about grown men,with one being one of best players in the world.
If Dennis was just a normal bloke,he would of never been able to do this without
losing a few pints of blood.
 
i'll throw this out there:

maybe he was on the make-up with his horse and couldnt afford a loss.....sure.



its pitiful whats happening in pool,
 
It's pitiful alright

Pitiful anybody could defend this guy. He was on the last barrel and it wasn't even his money.

Kids, stay in school, there is no future in this game.
 
Exactly! (Perhaps)

And to whoever said Rob was a bluffed: That don't jive with what has been put down here. Sounds more like DO just didn't know the man's speed or had a bad line. Whatever the case, it didn't sound like he was holding anything back.


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CreeDo said:
Argh I keep coming back to this thread.
I dunno why. I apparently can't win this any more than Dennis could win his set :)
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Okay, now that's funny!

Slomo: Check rob's original post. He stated flat out dennis had ZERO chance. His words.
Written after the fact, not a cocky statement made before the set began.
And he admitted to giving dennis extra opportunities to keep it close.
The score was not really tied. It was plain and simple a bad game.
You're right, DO agreed to a 'gambling match'. Unfortunately that isn't what he got.
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Zero chance? Maybe Rob felt that way, but Dennis did tie it up at 8-8. "Zero chance" was Rob's (strong) opinion. Dennis has a chance in any match he goes into. And he probably doesn't need any "help" along the way.

I understand what you mean when you say it wasn't really tied, but nobody forced Dennis to accept the match or spot. Why would he agree to those terms if he didn't think he could win it? It's not like you or I propositioned him with that game for $20. This was a $1000 matchup. Surely, Dennis knows that anyone that bets $1000 can play some pretty serious pool.

I don't like dishonesty any more than you do. Rob said that he wasn't even hitting balls around when they agreed to play. And I doubt that Rob threw his previous matches with the other players in the action room, with the sole intent to catch Dennis in a trap.

To me, the bottom line is that Rob called Dennis out, and Dennis willfully accepted the challenge. Both players thought their opponent had "zero chance" of winning, but somebody had to be wrong. This time, it was Dennis.

I've been on the losing side of many matchups, but I would never pull that kind of stunt. I don't think you would, either.

Again, no disrespect intended, CreeDo. You're still my favorite AZB'er. I just don't agree with you about this particular situation.

Sincerely,

-Blake
 
Let me just add this in since I have tried not to post anymore in this thread but some of these guys are ridiculous. A few years ago I went to Atlanta for the first time and my "friend" gets me in a game with DEATH BALL AKA TREE MONEY.. My friend made the game telling me Death ball couldn't make a ball.. Death ball kept saying how Larry price gives him 13 to 3 playing one pocket and break, ball in hand, the wild 4 and 7 in 9 ball. I was like this sounds like horse crap.. LOL but my friend insisted he had seen Death ball play. So i give him Break, Ball in hand, and the wild 7 ball 5 ahead for $ 500. Death breaks and runs the first table in 30 seconds!! LOL and Im like ok Im screwed we lose. He gets 3 ahead and than I get it back to even. I didn't quit and ask for my money back at this point. I made a bad game and I had to deal with it. He beat me the 5 ahead for $ 500. We payed off. Than the guy putting the money up for him let me play the 10 ball ghost for $ 200 a set. I won 2 sets easily so the whole deal cost us $ 100...
What some people dont comprehend on here either because they don't play pool or gamble they have no concept of the game. When the break and ball in hand is given up as a spot its real simple... One of the people has no chance. If the person getting ball in hand cant get close to beating the ghost he is going to lose especially playing dennis. If the person can play the ghost close or beat it than they have the nuts. Dennis saw I was a big guy and he figured I couldn't play good enough to come close to or beat the 10 ball ghost.. he was wrong. If I played like most guys my size Dennis would have been stealing its as simple as that. I made a bad game against Death ball and payed off. Dennis made a bad game against me and quit in the middle of the set.
Let me use one more poker analogy.. You are dealt kings and are loving it. You raise pre flop and someone else re raises you. You are like SWEET!! time to double up baby.. You go all in and he calls you and you quickly turn over your kings with a big grin on your face only to be staring down at his pocket ACES !! UH OH HOLD UP!! DONT DEAL THE FLOP!! I WANT MY MONEY BACK!!!!!!!!
The bottom line is Dennis thought his Kings were good but I had the Aces!! It happens its part of gambling.
P.S. If you can just quit in the middle of a set then why post the money ever?
 
thebighurt said:
Let me just add this in since I have tried not to post anymore in this thread but some of these guys are ridiculous. A few years ago I went to Atlanta for the first time and my "friend" gets me in a game with DEATH BALL AKA TREE MONEY.. My friend made the game telling me Death ball couldn't make a ball.. Death ball kept saying how Larry price gives him 13 to 3 playing one pocket and break, ball in hand, the wild 4 and 7 in 9 ball. I was like this sounds like horse crap.. LOL but my friend insisted he had seen Death ball play. So i give him Break, Ball in hand, and the wild 7 ball 5 ahead for $ 500. Death breaks and runs the first table in 30 seconds!! LOL and Im like ok Im screwed we lose. He gets 3 ahead and than I get it back to even. I didn't quit and ask for my money back at this point. I made a bad game and I had to deal with it. He beat me the 5 ahead for $ 500. We payed off. Than the guy putting the money up for him let me play the 10 ball ghost for $ 200 a set. I won 2 sets easily so the whole deal cost us $ 100...
What some people dont comprehend on here either because they don't play pool or gamble they have no concept of the game. When the break and ball in hand is given up as a spot its real simple... One of the people has no chance. If the person getting ball in hand cant get close to beating the ghost he is going to lose especially playing dennis. If the person can play the ghost close or beat it than they have the nuts. Dennis saw I was a big guy and he figured I couldn't play good enough to come close to or beat the 10 ball ghost.. he was wrong. If I played like most guys my size Dennis would have been stealing its as simple as that. I made a bad game against Death ball and payed off. Dennis made a bad game against me and quit in the middle of the set.
Let me use one more poker analogy.. You are dealt kings and are loving it. You raise pre flop and someone else re raises you. You are like SWEET!! time to double up baby.. You go all in and he calls you and you quickly turn over your kings with a big grin on your face only to be staring down at his pocket ACES !! UH OH HOLD UP!! DONT DEAL THE FLOP!! I WANT MY MONEY BACK!!!!!!!!
The bottom line is Dennis thought his Kings were good but I had the Aces!! It happens its part of gambling.
P.S. If you can just quit in the middle of a set then why post the money ever?
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I assume when you keep mentioning about being a big guy, you mean him thinking you wouldn't have the stamina to finish. Fats and Basavich played pretty sporty and I assume played long sessions during their time.
 
thebighurt said:
Let me just add this in since I have tried not to post anymore in this thread but some of these guys are ridiculous. A few years ago I went to Atlanta for the first time and my "friend" gets me in a game with DEATH BALL AKA TREE MONEY.. My friend made the game telling me Death ball couldn't make a ball.. Death ball kept saying how Larry price gives him 13 to 3 playing one pocket and break, ball in hand, the wild 4 and 7 in 9 ball. I was like this sounds like horse crap.. LOL but my friend insisted he had seen Death ball play. So i give him Break, Ball in hand, and the wild 7 ball 5 ahead for $ 500. Death breaks and runs the first table in 30 seconds!! LOL and Im like ok Im screwed we lose. He gets 3 ahead and than I get it back to even. I didn't quit and ask for my money back at this point. I made a bad game and I had to deal with it. He beat me the 5 ahead for $ 500. We payed off. Than the guy putting the money up for him let me play the 10 ball ghost for $ 200 a set. I won 2 sets easily so the whole deal cost us $ 100...
What some people dont comprehend on here either because they don't play pool or gamble they have no concept of the game. When the break and ball in hand is given up as a spot its real simple... One of the people has no chance. If the person getting ball in hand cant get close to beating the ghost he is going to lose especially playing dennis. If the person can play the ghost close or beat it than they have the nuts. Dennis saw I was a big guy and he figured I couldn't play good enough to come close to or beat the 10 ball ghost.. he was wrong. If I played like most guys my size Dennis would have been stealing its as simple as that. I made a bad game against Death ball and payed off. Dennis made a bad game against me and quit in the middle of the set.
Let me use one more poker analogy.. You are dealt kings and are loving it. You raise pre flop and someone else re raises you. You are like SWEET!! time to double up baby.. You go all in and he calls you and you quickly turn over your kings with a big grin on your face only to be staring down at his pocket ACES !! UH OH HOLD UP!! DONT DEAL THE FLOP!! I WANT MY MONEY BACK!!!!!!!!
The bottom line is Dennis thought his Kings were good but I had the Aces!! It happens its part of gambling.
P.S. If you can just quit in the middle of a set then why post the money ever?
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I like this post.

...and Dennis may have opened 'Pandora's box' for his future action.
I got a feeling that he's had a lot of opponents who would have liked
to pull up half way through a match....but never thought of it.
 
decent dennis said:
I assume when you keep mentioning about being a big guy, you mean him thinking you wouldn't have the stamina to finish. Fats and Basavich played pretty sporty and I assume played long sessions during their time.
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I agree. Seems like Rob has a complex about his weight to keep mentioning it. In my experience, weight had little to do with the game (I'm a bit overweight myself). As a matter of fact, I was always more willing to play the people who looked in great shape, figuring they were spending time in the weight room or ball field while I was working on my pool game.

And then there was the golden rule of gambling. Never gamble with a guy in polyester pants!!
 
pt109 said:
I like this post.

...and Dennis may have opened 'Pandora's box' for his future action.
I got a feeling that he's had a lot of opponents who would have liked
to pull up half way through a match....but never thought of it.
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I played Dennis and quit at 0:0 because that was the only time the score was even :-)
 
Hey !

decent dennis said:
I assume when you keep mentioning about being a big guy, you mean him thinking you wouldn't have the stamina to finish. Fats and Basavich played pretty sporty and I assume played long sessions during their time.
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What about The Miz and Swanney ? They were a little overweight !
 
In respect of the Rob thebighurt/Orcullo money match.

I see two people that are wrong here to a point where both should be embarrassed.

First, there is Dennis Orcullo, he got pulled into a handicapped mismatch and when he realized it he bailed at the first opportunity and did it without grace, without maturity and without dignity. Saying that, I reject the notion that breaking down the cue was sharking, I believe that Rob knows the truth of that.

Secondly, there is Rob, aka thebighurt, who rather than recognize the genuine offer made by Jay Helfert in post #47 as a sincere gesture on behalf of a friend, whose actions he clearly indicated were not defensible, he decided to reject this out of hand; becoming more mean spirited, making uncalled for personal comments, as the conversation progressed.

It is clear that Rob decided to be the “offended” party, hard done by etc. so he could keep on carping ad nauseum about how he had played the BEST MONEY PLAYER IN THE WORLD (his words) and bested him ( intended, I guess by the number of times he repeated it to mean he now holds that title). Maybe he felt that he could get more mileage out of it by rejecting Jay’s offer and attacking him personally for making it. It certainly gave him the opportunity to repeat himself and if he had accepted this goodwill gesture in the spirit it was intended I guess he feared he would no longer be the offended party and he might not be able to keep repeating how he had bested the best money player in the world.

Oh, and insofar that bravado B.S. from Rob that he would play Orcullo, with the same spot for 20 in the key of G, I say now that he has shown his true speed he should man up and negotiate a spot that is fair for both of players then have at it. Rob has already admitted that the spot used for the prior match was one sided so let us see what he is really made of playing with a fair spot, this newly, self inferred BEST MONEY PLAYER IN THE WORLD.
 
thewhiffer said:
In respect of the Rob thebighurt/Orcullo money match.

I see two people that are wrong here to a point where both should be embarrassed.

First, there is Dennis Orcullo, he got pulled into a handicapped mismatch and when he realized it he bailed at the first opportunity and did it without grace, without maturity and without dignity. Saying that, I reject the notion that breaking down the cue was sharking, I believe that Rob knows the truth of that.

Secondly, there is Rob, aka thebighurt, who rather than recognize the genuine offer made by Jay Helfert in post #47 as a sincere gesture on behalf of a friend, whose actions he clearly indicated were not defensible, he decided to reject this out of hand; becoming more mean spirited, making uncalled for personal comments, as the conversation progressed.

It is clear that Rob decided to be the “offended” party, hard done by etc. so he could keep on carping ad nauseum about how he had played the BEST MONEY PLAYER IN THE WORLD (his words) and bested him ( intended, I guess by the number of times he repeated it to mean he now holds that title). Maybe he felt that he could get more mileage out of it by rejecting Jay’s offer and attacking him personally for making it. It certainly gave him the opportunity to repeat himself and if he had accepted this goodwill gesture in the spirit it was intended I guess he feared he would no longer be the offended party and he might not be able to keep repeating how he had bested the best money player in the world.

Oh, and insofar that bravado B.S. from Rob that he would play Orcullo, with the same spot for 20 in the key of G, I say now that he has shown his true speed he should man up and negotiate a spot that is fair for both of players then have at it. Rob has already admitted that the spot used for the prior match was one sided so let us see what he is really made of playing with a fair spot, this newly, self inferred BEST MONEY PLAYER IN THE WORLD.
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LMFAO obviously your either Jays buddy or jay himself.. Congratulations not one thing you just posted was accurate that might be a record.. Jays offer was a slick back handed way to excuse Dennis. Him saying he is not making excuses for Dennis and then in THE SAME POST says Dennis learned that move from american players IS AN EXCUSE and a joke. The reason me and many others keep pointing out that he is the world's best money player is because the move he pulled is something a bar room player might pull for $ 10 a game. Supposedly worlds best money player and he thinks its ok to quit in the middle of a set..PLEASE.. That is the equivalent of Tiger Woods hitting his tee shot out of bounds in the U.S. Open and asking the referee if he can have a mulligan.
As far as Jays offer if it was about the money I would have just kept the $ 1000 in Tunica. Me taking Jays money wouldn't have meant anything in respect to Dennis. Jay said he had a long talk with Dennis and Dennis learned his lesson. Dennis won $ 6000 the very next day.. Dennis was on the way to Jays house that night and Jay was going to ask Dennis to give him the money to send.... GUESS WHAT.. You haven't heard one more word about Dennis's reply or anything. He conveniently dropped that part of the subject and turned it into oh woe is me and Dennis...Do you know what that proves? That after Jay's LONG talk with him Dennis didn't learn a damn thing.
As far as my ability I know im not even near the top players in the world that is why you take weight when matching up. Each side is trying to get the best of it. I made a good game and he made a bad one. It happens in every pool hall everyday all over the world. WHAT doesn't happen is one of the players quitting in the middle of the set with the money posted and wanting their money back. In hindsight I should have just kept the money he forfeited but I had a soft spot and a weak moment that now I regret having. So in reality i learned more than dennis did from this experience.
P.S. Hell maybe I will make a different game with Dennis. I will take 8 games going to 21 playing even 10 ball for $ 20,000... if he ever catches me I will just quit and take my money back because that's how its done right?
 
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thebighurt said:
LMFAO obviously your either Jays buddy or jay himself.. Congratulations not one thing you just posted was accurate that might be a record.. Jays offer was a slick back handed way to excuse Dennis. Him saying he is not making excuses for Dennis and then in THE SAME POST says Dennis learned that move from american players IS AN EXCUSE and a joke. The reason me and many others keep pointing out that he is the world's best money player is because the move he pulled is something a bar room player might pull for $ 10 a game. Supposedly worlds best money player and he thinks its ok to quit in the middle of a set..PLEASE.. That is the equivalent of Tiger Woods hitting his tee shot out of bounds in the U.S. Open and asking the referee if he can have a mulligan.
As far as Jays offer if it was about the money I would have just kept the $ 1000 in Tunica. Me taking Jays money wouldn't have meant anything in respect to Dennis. Jay said he had a long talk with Dennis and Dennis learned his lesson. Dennis won $ 6000 the very next day.. Dennis was on the way to Jays house that night and Jay was going to ask Dennis to give him the money to send.... GUESS WHAT.. You haven't heard one more word about Dennis's reply or anything. He conveniently dropped that part of the subject and turned it into oh woe is me and Dennis...Do you know what that proves? That after Jay's LONG talk with him Dennis didn't learn a damn thing.
As far as my ability I know im not even near the top players in the world that is why you take weight when matching up. Each side is trying to get the best of it. I made a good game and he made a bad one. It happens in every pool hall everyday all over the world. WHAT doesn't happen is one of the players quitting in the middle of the set with the money posted and wanting their money back. In hindsight I should have just kept the money he forfeited but I had a soft spot and a weak moment that now I regret having. So in reality i learned more than dennis did from this experience.
P.S. Hell maybe I will make a different game with Dennis. I will take 8 games going to 21 playing even 10 ball for $ 20,000... if he ever catches me I will just quit and take my money back because that's how its done right?
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Dennis doesn't give a fukc about you!!

And not just you, but everybody that plays him in the next year should at least pretend they're gon pull the same move.

I don't think he learned a thing, coz he already knew it was a bs move. Like I said, he doesn't give a fujck. Dollar dollar, y'all.
 
thewhiffer said:
In respect of the Rob thebighurt/Orcullo money match.

I see two people that are wrong here to a point where both should be embarrassed.

First, there is Dennis Orcullo, he got pulled into a handicapped mismatch and when he realized it he bailed at the first opportunity and did it without grace, without maturity and without dignity. Saying that, I reject the notion that breaking down the cue was sharking, I believe that Rob knows the truth of that.

Secondly, there is Rob, aka thebighurt, who rather than recognize the genuine offer made by Jay Helfert in post #47 as a sincere gesture on behalf of a friend, whose actions he clearly indicated were not defensible, he decided to reject this out of hand; becoming more mean spirited, making uncalled for personal comments, as the conversation progressed.

It is clear that Rob decided to be the “offended” party, hard done by etc. so he could keep on carping ad nauseum about how he had played the BEST MONEY PLAYER IN THE WORLD (his words) and bested him ( intended, I guess by the number of times he repeated it to mean he now holds that title). Maybe he felt that he could get more mileage out of it by rejecting Jay’s offer and attacking him personally for making it. It certainly gave him the opportunity to repeat himself and if he had accepted this goodwill gesture in the spirit it was intended I guess he feared he would no longer be the offended party and he might not be able to keep repeating how he had bested the best money player in the world.

Oh, and insofar that bravado B.S. from Rob that he would play Orcullo, with the same spot for 20 in the key of G, I say now that he has shown his true speed he should man up and negotiate a spot that is fair for both of players then have at it. Rob has already admitted that the spot used for the prior match was one sided so let us see what he is really made of playing with a fair spot, this newly, self inferred BEST MONEY PLAYER IN THE WORLD.
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Actually, you have to be a gambler to understand.
 
Rob,

Did you try to bet more? Seems to me that you gave up your speed to Dennis for small stakes. I am $33 a game is a pretty low bet to take the nuts for. Some people are acting like a G-spot is a serious bet in a race to 15 but I look it at it as by the game stakes and to me it's just not much. I mean I used to bet $500 in races to 3 and $400 a game last pocket 8 ball.

So to me regardless of the situation with quitting and all it seems that if you're right and you had the lock down royal hungarian nuts you were letting Dennis out easy with the original bet any way.

This is just me but I think the real hustle would have been to lose the set and jack the bet into the stratosphere and THEN show the world that you can beat the ghost. $33 a game seems really low to show your top gear.
 
Its not about the money from someone else, as Rob has already stated. I would say, if Dennis would get on here and admit he pulled a shitty move to get out of a bet he didn't like and that he made a mistake and it won't happen again, would most likely be the end of it. By hearing nothing from Dennis or Dennis getting someone to post his opinion , one can only assume he seen nothing wrong with what he did.
 
JB Cases said:
Rob,

Did you try to bet more? Seems to me that you gave up your speed to Dennis for small stakes. I am $33 a game is a pretty low bet to take the nuts for. Some people are acting like a G-spot is a serious bet in a race to 15 but I look it at it as by the game stakes and to me it's just not much. I mean I used to bet $500 in races to 3 and $400 a game last pocket 8 ball.

So to me regardless of the situation with quitting and all it seems that if you're right and you had the lock down royal hungarian nuts you were letting Dennis out easy with the original bet any way.

This is just me but I think the real hustle would have been to lose the set and jack the bet into the stratosphere and THEN show the world that you can beat the ghost. $33 a game seems really low to show your top gear.
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Not really. If the score had went hill, hill, that would have been one game for a dime. I think you are thinking ahead sets.
 
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