Some of us can (with selling of the old table and some other unneeded accessories).
I loved my gc4 but the diamond is better.
Pursuit of the Perfect Table
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I loved my gc4 but the diamond is better.
To the OP....
Where did you read ''this''?
''This is in the midst of a declining population of interested players.''
Where did you read ''this''?
''This is in the midst of a declining population of interested players.''
BrunswickBilliards hasn't been part of B'wickCorp. for a few yrs now. Brunswick sold its LifeFitness/Billiards division to a big investment bank. LF then sold the billiards to Escalade Sports.Agreed.
I just like a well tuned table.
A well set up GC is a joy to play on.
A well set up Diamond is a joy to play on.
Brunswicks are second fiddle today because the Brunswick company chose to be second fiddle.
They stopped promoting their billiard business and threw their promotions, research and development, hence their dollars,
into their other businesses.
Diamonds are in the pool business and only in the pool business.
Brunswick Corporation, formerly known as the Brunswick-Balke-Collender Company, is an American corporation that has been developing, manufacturing and marketing a wide variety of products since 1845. Today, Brunswick has more than 13,000 employees operating in 24 countries. Brunswick owns major boating brands, including Sea Ray, Boston Whaler, Bayliner, Mercury Marine, Attwood, Lund, Crestliner, Mastervolt, MotorGuide, Harris Pontoons, Freedom Boat Club, Princecraft, Heyday, Lowe, Uttern, Quicksilver and CZone, among many others. In 2021, Brunswick reported sales of US$5.8 billion. Brunswick's global headquarters is in the northern Chicago suburb of Mettawa, Illinois. On October 4, 2021, Brunswick Corporation announced that it has completed its acquisition of Navico, a global leader in marine electronics and sensors for $1.05 billion, adding to Brunswick the industry leading Navico brands of Lowrance, Simrad, B&G, and C-MAP.
World-Leading Marine Brands
Brunswick owns world-renowned brands in boating, marine propulsion and technology, including Boston Whaler, Sea Ray, Mercury Marine and Freedom Boat Club.www.brunswick.com
And there you have it.
Thanks for the info.
Optics are important, I don't care who ya are
dendweller
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Suppose that means you won't be buying a predator table any time soon.
Escalade also owns Cue-and Case which was started by Jim Lucas(Lucasi founder).
I've seen the Predator table at the last Expo, lights on the legs and all.
Sort of skeptical as I feel Predator has sort of turned into a marketing company, juggernaut that they are.
My home poolroom just installed the Predator Arena lights though and they are remarkable, exceeding all expectations.
dendweller
Well-known member
I'm just poking fun at the legs
Didn't read it anywhere but it was just the reality when I wrote the initial post (2018). Certainly amateur pool has been thriving in the US for quite a while, but the pool of serious professional caliber players in the US has not. I guess you could say maybe it has been growing globally, but that's a different subject. Now today -- 2023, I think professional pool has bottomed out here in the US, and it may be back on an upward trajectory. I guess only time will tell if that's true.
The issue is -- many top players have better tables at home than you find in most rooms and the expectation for "perfect" tables has never been higher. Of course I'm speaking generally, as there will of course be areas where this doesn't apply. But what happens is as the tables get better, and by extension -- more difficult I think that just raises the bar even higher for novices to really take the plunge into serious play.
Lastly, the pursuit of perfection can become the enemy of good in not just our game play but also in our enjoyment of it . If you aren't able to have fun on a 'B' table, then you're spoiled
MikeLeClair
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I have a 9 foot Brunswick Gold Crown 1. It's perfect as far as I'm concerned. Built like a tank and plays very well. The installer I use to change my cloth says it's his favorite table to work on due to how it was constructed.
dendweller
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When the guy installed my gold crown 4 he said they're just making the tables harder for the mechanics to work on. Think he was referring to the new leveling system they have.
I'd rather they used shims and playing cards but a 4 was available so I nabbed it.
The new cushions installed on my 90’s Diamond bank way less consistently than the old GCs I sometimes play on locally (the softer the hit, the wider the angle). While I do appreciate standardization, I have to admit it adds another dimension to the game. It allows sinking bank shots that would be geometrically blocked with the medium hit that follows a true angle. I expect though that the angles may shorten as the cloth wears (?).
Bummer.
I do not have a problem banking on either, GC or Diamond.
I do not know the rails you have.
I usually blame myself when I am not banking up to my normal standard.
Some days are like that.
Hate when that happens.
Just another layer of ‘adaptation’.
The balls on those local GCs are never polished, so I always undercut the first few shots (until I finally start loading up with outside english). May also affect the slow banking angles.
Hmmmm,..... the perfect table.
I am really not too picky ,I just want a table to play like the game requires. No leaning rails, no roll-offs, etc. The brand does not matter. What I would like is a standard among all the tables. As far as Pocket size, does not matter so much except I like to see the hard angle bank shots go in and that is rare on tables with pocket size under 4 1/2". I am a pocket cheater so I like to see consistent shelves on pockets. Keep the pocket size, shelves and felt consistent, then the game becomes a lot more predictable, and more fun.
I am really not too picky ,I just want a table to play like the game requires. No leaning rails, no roll-offs, etc. The brand does not matter. What I would like is a standard among all the tables. As far as Pocket size, does not matter so much except I like to see the hard angle bank shots go in and that is rare on tables with pocket size under 4 1/2". I am a pocket cheater so I like to see consistent shelves on pockets. Keep the pocket size, shelves and felt consistent, then the game becomes a lot more predictable, and more fun.
That would make a Gold Crown free as long as you factor in selling your Diamond. You're welcome.
Twelve or so years ago I sold my furniture table and bought a GC IV that was in near mint condition. New 860 and installed by a very respected DC area mechanic. It was and still is my perfect table. Couple of years ago I had a Valley bar table put in next to it. It's there for friends to fool with. The guys that own tables are more serious and play on the GC. Yeah, there's discrimination here.
As a geezer I think we gravitate toward Gold Crown because it's what you played on fifty or sixty years ago. Diamonds are for the kids. Maybe the next generation will want Predators.
As a geezer I think we gravitate toward Gold Crown because it's what you played on fifty or sixty years ago. Diamonds are for the kids. Maybe the next generation will want Predators.
You dont have to use those built-in levelers. Place i play has 10 nice GC4's and they don't use them. They shim and use the adj. feet.