Push-Out after the break.

JoeyA

JoeyA

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How do you play push-out after the break in your town and do you know the rule that governs the following situation?

Player A breaks makes the two ball on the break but is hooked on the 1 ball which is hanging near the side pocket. In an effort to get a better position on the one ball, Player A calls PUSH-OUT and then accidentally knocks in the 1 ball.

WHAT HAPPENS?

Devil Dog
 
JoeyA said:
How do you play push-out after the break in your town and do you know the rule that governs the following situation?

Player A breaks makes the two ball on the break but is hooked on the 1 ball which is hanging near the side pocket. In an effort to get a better position on the one ball, Player A calls PUSH-OUT and then accidentally knocks in the 1 ball.

WHAT HAPPENS?

Devil Dog
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Under the WSRs and the BCA rules, the 1 ball stays down and the incoming player has the option of shooting or passing the shot back.

I've never heard of any other way to play the push out.

Regards,
Jim

WSR

2.4 Second Shot of the Rack ? Push Out
If no foul is committed on the break shot, the shooter may choose to play a ?push out? as his shot. He must make his intention known to the referee, and then rules 6.2 Wrong Ball First and 6.3 No Rail after Contact are suspended for the shot. If no foul is committed on a push out, the other player chooses who will shoot next.


BCA

5.6 PUSH OUT
The player who shoots the shot immediately after a legal break may play a push out in an attempt to move the cue ball into a better position for the option that follows. On a push out, the cue ball is not required to con-tact any object ball nor any rail, but all other foul rules still apply. The player must announce the intention of playing a push out before the shot, or the shot is considered to be a normal shot. Any ball pocketed on a push out does not count and remains pocketed except the 9-ball. Following a legal push out, the incoming player is permitted to shoot from that position or to pass the shot back to the player who pushed out. A push out is not considered to be a foul as long as no rule (except rules 5.8 and 5.9) is violated. An illegal push out is penalized according to the type of foul committed. After a player scratches on the break shot, the incoming player cannot play a push out.
 
We play it just like Jim describes around here. If giving weight, it should be dertermined before play whether or not money balls other than the 9 spot up on a push. If it's decided that the money ball stays down, calling a push and making it is almost like taking away the spot.
 
Roy Steffensen said:
Incoming players choice. I guess it is played like this in every town, isn't?

What's the rules in New Orleans?
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In New Orleans, most of the people say it is a foul to make the lowest numbered object ball on the table after calling PUSH-OUT after the break.

After talking with Jay Helfert about the rule, I will be trying to get the locals to change their local rules on this.

I've been trying to get the locals to quit climbing up on the table instead of using a bridge with marginal success so I don't know how successful I'll be.

I guess the only time a ball would be spotted up is the 9 Ball and any money-ball that is made by the player who gives the spot, during the push-out.

JoeyA
 
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JoeyA said:
How do you play push-out after the break in your town and do you know the rule that governs the following situation?

Player A breaks makes the two ball on the break but is hooked on the 1 ball which is hanging near the side pocket. In an effort to get a better position on the one ball, Player A calls PUSH-OUT and then accidentally knocks in the 1 ball.

WHAT HAPPENS?

Devil Dog
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It is not clear from your description whether the 1 ball was made with the cueball or made accidently by cue/hand, etc.

If made accidently by cue/hand it should be restored as close to the original position as possible and the incoming player has the option to shoot or give the shot back to Player A.

If the shot was made legally by Player A, the next shot is on the 3 ball and the incoming player has the option of shooting or passing the shot back.

I think I must be misinterpreting the question, because this seems too easy. Since the pushout was called, the incoming player has the option of shooting at the next legal ball or giving the shot back to the player.
 
Fatboy said:
Whats the Devil Dog? or who's Devil Dog?:)
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http://www.google.com/search?num=10...en-US:official&hs=2AX&q=Devil+Dog&btnG=Search

An excerpt from one of above sites: http://german.about.com/od/culture/a/germyth13.htm
Ch?teau-Thierry and Belleau Wood
Here is a version of the legend's creation found at a Marine recruiting Web site: "...in World War I during the 1918 Ch?teau-Thierry campaign near the French village of Bouresches, Marines assaulted a line of German machine-gun nests on an old hunting preserve known as Belleau Wood. The fighting was terrible. Those Marines who weren't cut down by the enemy guns captured the nests in a grisly close-quarters battle. The shocked Germans nicknamed their foes, teufelhunden [sic] (devil dogs)."

Another site mentions the regiments: "...the Fifth and Sixth Regiments of Marines earned the nickname of Teufel Hund [sic], or Devil Dog, by the Germans who respected them for their bulldog tenacity and fighting spirit..."

The Marine.com site adds this: "The tradition was believed to have its roots during World War I when German soldiers referred to the Marines as "devil dogs," comparing their fierce fighting ability to that of wild mountain dogs of Bavarian folklore."
 
Fatboy said:
Whats the Devil Dog? or who's Devil Dog?:)
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Devil Dogs are Marines and this Devil Dog is going to rip the THE GINGERBREAD MAN a new one. (all in good time) ;)

Devil Dog (aka: JoeyA) :D :D

(Fatboy, you had to go and shove the pointed stick into the normally peaceful, sleeping dog, didn't ya?)
 
He is in need of a nickname

Fatboy said:
Whats the Devil Dog? or who's Devil Dog?:)
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JoeyA is in need of a nickname for TAR promotions. He is a devil dog so Devil Dog seems like a natural however I don't think it will stick. He looks like a baby-faced angel away from the table and a killer on the table so "baby faced killer" seems apt but it is too long to stick as a nickname.

the search continues . . . . . So far "JoeyA" seems to be in the lead!

Hu
 
JoeyA,

If I'm reading this correctly, the incoming player has to shoot on the 3 ball or give the shot back to the player calling the push-out.

When calling a push-out, you can contact or pocket any ball on the table. If you pocket the 9 ball, it must be spotted.

Barbara

JoeyA said:
How do you play push-out after the break in your town and do you know the rule that governs the following situation?

Player A breaks makes the two ball on the break but is hooked on the 1 ball which is hanging near the side pocket. In an effort to get a better position on the one ball, Player A calls PUSH-OUT and then accidentally knocks in the 1 ball.

WHAT HAPPENS?

Devil Dog
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JDB said:
It is not clear from your description whether the 1 ball was made with the cueball or made accidently by cue/hand, etc.

If made accidently by cue/hand it should be restored as close to the original position as possible and the incoming player has the option to shoot or give the shot back to Player A.

If the shot was made legally by Player A, the next shot is on the 3 ball and the incoming player has the option of shooting or passing the shot back.

I think I must be misinterpreting the question, because this seems too easy. Since the pushout was called, the incoming player has the option of shooting at the next legal ball or giving the shot back to the player.
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I guess you're right, I should have made it more clear. Player A did not attempt to intentionally make the one ball on the push-out but it was made when the cue ball hit another ball which caromed into the one by accident.

JoeyA
 
The nine isn't the only ball that gets spotted on a push out.

Barbara said:
JoeyA,

If I'm reading this correctly, the incoming player has to shoot on the 3 ball or give the shot back to the player calling the push-out.

When calling a push-out, you can contact or pocket any ball on the table. If you pocket the 9 ball, it must be spotted.
Barbara
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I imagine the only EXCEPTION to what you said is if Player B is getting a spot like the 8 ball or the 7 ball, Player A cannot make any spotted ball on the Push-out. If he does, the spot ball(s) too are re-spotted.JoeyA
 
JoeyA said:
I guess you're right, I should have made it more clear. Player A did not attempt to intentionally make the one ball on the push-out but it was made when the cue ball hit another ball which caromed into the one by accident.

JoeyA
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Sounds like a legal pushout to me so the incoming player has the option of shooting the 3 ball from where the cueball sits or pass the shot back to Player A.

I have never heard of any requirement that the object ball cannot be made on a pushout. Sometimes this may be the only option if the object ball is deep in a pocket with no clear path to making it due to obstructing balls.
 
You can shoot any shot on a push out as long as you do not scratch and the incoming player has the option to shoot or make the "pusher" shoot. If you call a push and make the other players money ball, it comes back up. Thats how I have always heard it played.

Southpaw
 
JoeyA said:
Devil Dogs are Marines and this Devil Dog is going to rip the THE GINGERBREAD MAN a new one. (all in good time) ;)

Devil Dog (aka: JoeyA) :D :D

(Fatboy, you had to go and shove the pointed stick into the normally peaceful, sleeping dog, didn't ya?)
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Here we go again. When he was plain old JoeyA it was bad enough. Now I have to worry about a "Devil Dog". :eek:
Same old, same old, Dog. 500 (or more) a set, One Pocket and Bank Pool. Step up when you need some more dog biscuits.
 
JDB said:
Sounds like a legal pushout to me so the incoming player has the option of shooting the 3 ball from where the cueball sits or pass the shot back to Player A.

I have never heard of any requirement that the object ball cannot be made on a pushout. Sometimes this may be the only option if the object ball is deep in a pocket with no clear path to making it due to obstructing balls.
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It appears that no one else plays it like we do/did. This clarity of rule will make it easier to get the locals to change than keeping them from climbing on top of the table instead of using a bridge.

JoeyA
 
jay helfert said:
Here we go again. When he was plain old JoeyA it was bad enough. Now I have to worry about a "Devil Dog". :eek:
Same old, same old, Dog. 500 (or more) a set, One Pocket and Bank Pool. Step up when you need some more dog biscuits.
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You originally offered to play me one pocket for whatever I wanted to play for.

Do you really need to change the game by adding Bank Pool?

JoeyA (can't wait to rip THE GINGERBREAD MAN a new one) :)
 
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