Putnam vs A. Fisher - why I'm taking sides on this one.

lady9ball

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I don't know what time it's scheduled, but I have to root extra hard for Allison in this match. I dropped in on the TAR stream the other night in time to hear Shawn's views on women playing with men in points events which I tend to agree with (the women have nothing to lose points wise, while the men do, etc). But he went on to say that the women have no chance of ever winning a mens event, which I think is a pretty bold statement. He also mentioned the matches in the recent past where he has played a woman but didn't mention the outcomes until someone in the chat asked. He laughed and suggested that that was a very silly question - in other words, he would NEVER lose to a woman.

Therefore, I just can't help hoping that she KICKS HIS A$$! :)
 
While i think women can place in the mens events, i agree a woman will not win a large event with the big dogs there. Putnam could lose and id be ok with it, haha.


Hi Karla :wave:
 
Thats not what he said.

He said that a woman could win some matches, but to win a major event she would have to beat SEVERAL top men players which is a pretty tall order.

Lets be fair, and you are right that is bold statement. I agree with Shawn, I dont see a woman winning an event like the DCC or the OPEN. The field is just too deep with too much talent, IMO.

Ken:wink:
 
Allison is about the best one could hope for when defining 'woman' as far as a pool opponent.

Does Shawn want to play every one of the top 25 women a set to 11 for 5k? You betcha. Is he gonna lose one, you betcha...probably!
 
I heard the entire commentary and I actually suggested in the Chat that Karen Corr might have what it takes to win a tournament and Shawn respectfully disagreed with my assessment. I think one really good point that Mike Davis made regarding women playing men was that he felt that most of the really top women do not have to play at their best until late in tournaments and if they had to fade top competition all the time their games would rise to greater levels just like the men. I thought that was a fairly astute comment. I wish Allison the best against Shawn and I guess this will be a good opportunity for Shawn to back up his assessment.

-don
 
I enjoy watching women's pool and did hear what shawn had to say about it, and I agree with the majority of it. However, I still think that women's pool is extremely competitive and some of the top players (Yu Ram Cha for example) are just as good as or even better than some of the men.

I'll watch this match with interest...and would be smiling if Fisher did beat putnam
 
Not maybe the best comparison but Michelle Wie tried it in golf playing with the guys and if I remember right she never made a cut. Granted she isnt even close to a top player ala annika etc...but still. Should be interesting to see what happens. I agree if anyone can do it, it would be Allison, Karen, or about 2 other female players, but they have to play strong against several top men like an earlier post mentioned...tall order.
 
lady9ball said:
...He also mentioned the matches in the recent past where he has played a woman but didn't mention the outcomes until someone in the chat asked. He laughed and suggested that that was a very silly question - in other words, he would NEVER lose to a woman.

Therefore, I just can't help hoping that she KICKS HIS A$$! :)
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I was listening as well and he did end up saying what the scores in his matches against the women were (the matches were 10-ball, one pocket, and bank pool) and he did beat them pretty convincingly...

But I agree, it was a bold statement, and if he loses I'm going to laugh, laugh, laaauuugggh.
 
There are not enough major tournaments to make a fair comparision. Men pros out number the women pros 10 to 1, and after you get past the top 12 women, talent goes down quick. The men pros have 100's of players better than the botton 50 women. Of the top 12 on the women's tour, only about six really have a chance to win a major, while on the men's side you have about 30-40 cabable of winning one.

Lately women have won some regional tours, and good strong regional tours at that. Joss tour by Karen Corr, KF Cue Tour by Yu Ram Cha, with a lot of top finishes by them and other women pros also. So what Shawn said is partly correct, it's not because any of the top six or ten women can't beat a top men's pro in a tournament match. It's just a matter of time before one of the top women is in dead stroke for a major, gets a little lucky in the draw, and gets a few good rolls. That is exactly how a top man wins a major.

I want to see how many come on here when it happens and say, "I was wrong." But most likely most will borrow deeper into their man-caves. Johnnyt
 
Annika did try it out on the mens PGA tour but couldn't make a putt. I think she 3 putted about a 8 times one day. It was brutal.
 
I dont see why women cant play at the same level in the same tourneys as men. what skill does a man possess that give him any advatage over a women? breaking power? I don't think so, Id think that women like Jasmin have even bigger breaks than some men do.

Plus I think it would be great for pool if the men and women played in the same tourneys.
 
:tomato:
Why don't women excell in chess?

I believe theory states that evolutionary development has instilled a 'crush' attitude/ competitive spirit in men that is either not found or less found in women.

Don't know if I buy it, sounds plausible, if a tad squishy.

muddawg- you are ready for the laughing I am talking about!
 
Black-Balled said:
:tomato:
Why don't women excell in chess?

I believe theory states that evolutionary development has instilled a 'crush' attitude/ competitive spirit in men that is either not found or less found in women.

Don't know if I buy it, sounds plausible, if a tad squishy.

muddawg- you are ready for the laughing I am talking about!
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I think the correct answer is that women let men win so they don't
have to listen to them cry like huge babies......:eek:


LOL
hugs
mrs.g
 
Gunn_Slinger said:
I think the correct answer is that women let men win so they don't
have to listen to them cry like huge babies......:eek:


LOL
hugs
mrs.g
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This actually support's Black-Balled's hypothesis; a woman will let an opponent win to avoid the ensuing crying, whereas a man will be driven to crush an opponent and view the ensuing crying as a reward. To quote Conan the Barbarian:

"Conan, what is best in life?"
"To crush your enemies; to see them driven before you; to hear the lamentation of their women."

As a disclaimer: some women are obviously fierce competitors. I'm not sure whether I believe in the proposed theory as a generalization, but regardless of that it's clearly not true in every case.

-Andrew
 
Putnam vs A. Fisher

Johnnyt said:
It's just a matter of time before one of the top women is in dead stroke for a major, gets a little lucky in the draw, and gets a few good rolls. That is exactly how a top man wins a major.
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I certainly have to agree with this. In tournaments with short races the better player doesn't always win. This situtation makes upsets happen all the time.

The real question is: How much better of a chance does Putnam have in winning this tournament as opposed to A. Fisher? With most of the best players in the world here it doesn't make it very easy for either one.
 
Ken_4fun said:
Thats not what he said.

He said that a woman could win some matches, but to win a major event she would have to beat SEVERAL top men players which is a pretty tall order.

Lets be fair, and you are right that is bold statement. I agree with Shawn, I dont see a woman winning an event like the DCC or the OPEN. The field is just too deep with too much talent, IMO.

Ken:wink:
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You're right, he did amend his initial statement to say that if the top 20 men were in the tournament, a woman could not win. And while he is *probably* right, I still believe that anything is possible.
 
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