Putting a Predator or OB-1 Shaft on custom?

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if you have to use Schon,OK.i don;t like Shons much but it is 1" for lentgh of the table shot different.it is not like it is 1" off,it is just 1" different,but there are other to schoose from like Action which is less than 1/4" off.it is just different it is not wrong or missing or something
 
But the 1 inch difference in deflection between the 2 shafts are where the huge advantage comes into play... Think about it.

You have the ability to shoot the same shot with two different cues and with 1 of them you can aim 1 inch closer to the object point. Which one is better?
The one that allows you to aom more true to the original line, before you adjusted for english... It also effects the way the cue ball comes off of the object ball...

Surely you can follow this...
 
rhncue said:
During the winter of 1996 I had a shop in Columbus Oh. and the fellow who managed Cornfed Reds at the time, George Fleetwood ( George the Dog) of Detroit, who by the way was a very good player and instructor and who's wife Michell Adams, who was a womans touring Pro at the time, came back from a trip to Detroit with a half a dozen Predator shafts. While in Detroit he ran into the inventor of the Predator shaft, who he had grown up with (Steve Titus). Steve gave George 3 shafts for himself and 3 for his wife to try out. George told me that Steve had told him that they made the Predator out of laminations as a selling point. They didn't think the shaft would sell just on it's low deflection ability alone. They pushed that by having the laminations that the cue would have the same spine no matter how it was oriented in your hand. That was the main selling point at the time.

All shafts deflect the cue-ball somewhat. Some more than others is all. I believe it is one of Newton's laws that causes this reaction and it is this same law that is the basis of Predators lower deflection. Here is a chart showing the amount of deflection that was encountered on a number of different shafts.
http://www.platinumbilliards.com/rating_deflect.php

Dick
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Dick,

So if you are saying that they spliced part is all hype, than it has to be in the design of the ferrule where the lower deflection comes from as far as Predator goes.... If I am understanding you correctly

What about OB-1
and Tiger's X
They are all laminated right?

What are their ferrules like compared to Predators?

And where does their lower deflection come from?
 
BPG24 said:
Dick,

So if you are saying that they spliced part is all hype, than it has to be in the design of the ferrule where the lower deflection comes from as far as Predator goes.... If I am understanding you correctly

What about OB-1
and Tiger's X
They are all laminated right?

What are their ferrules like compared to Predators?

And where does their lower deflection come from?
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Lamination's have absolutely no affect on deflection. End mass is what determines a shafts amount of cue ball deflection and they have found that the last 4 to 6 inches of end mass are the most critical. I Don't know how the Tiger-X is made but the OB-1 also has a light weight ferrule and a partially hollow shaft to reduce weight. It's all physics, there is nothing mysterious about it. It is Newton's 2nd and 3rd laws of motion. If you would like to read them here they are:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton's_laws_of_motion

Dick
 
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Mason did you not understand what i was saying?

I realize I am not the best at explaining it. But I think I made it somewhat understandable
 
What many are trying to get through to you, is that deflection is a very small part of the overall picture, and not as big of an issue as you seem to think it is.
You seem to have completely bought the hype, and the biased "testing" that have been done to market low-deflection shafts, yet you had no idea why or how these shafts work the way they do.
Instead of reacting to every post you find doesn't jibe with your narrow understanding, maybe you should simply sit back and try to learn something.
 
i made my best attpemt to answer every question you had,but if i didn't answer your question still then i don't know what else i can tell you.
 
Sheldon said:
What many are trying to get through to you, is that deflection is a very small part of the overall picture, and not as big of an issue as you seem to think it is.
You seem to have completely bought the hype, and the biased "testing" that have been done to market low-deflection shafts, yet you had no idea why or how these shafts work the way they do.
Instead of reacting to every post you find doesn't jibe with your narrow understanding, maybe you should simply sit back and try to learn something.
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What you don't seem to get is that YOU ARE WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!

I understand the overall picture, and am only talking about deflection. If you do not like it then move on...



On an 8 foot shot, there is almost an inch difference in deflection between the most respected production cue company and a Predator 314-2
If you don't think that that is a huge difference than maybe you need to do a little reading on deflection, so YOU have a better understanding of the overall picture
 
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Mason I thank you very much for the questions that you did answer...

The last post by me, about the Schon and how much difference there is between the two shafts is the point I have been trying to make...

You didn't touch on it
 
Maybe some of the experts on aiming systems will chime in and explain how huge an inch is when talking about accuracy
 
yes an inch is quite a bit.is that what you are looking for?once again though i do not use a Schon,and the Schon tested may have been a bad one or had a bad shaft,ferrule,tip,etc.what about the Action,according to your way of thinking an Action cue must be good since it has low deflection like a Predator.this test is probably true,but the test doesn't prove much to me and some others here.it shows that the Predator shaft they tested is very close in deflection to an Action cue they tested but has less deflection than a Particular Schon they tested.you may not see what i and others are trying to say here but you will one day.also i have nothing against Predator shafts,imo they are good shafts,but i like a good Maple shaft tapered and set up for low deflection better.
 
I am surprised at how the Action cue was rated.

I have also said many times that I would love to have a great custom shaft that gave me the same benefits as a Predator or similar shaft. I am not arguing that many custom cue makers couldn't make better shafts.. I am sure that many of them do... I have not personally owned one, and since I have had so many custom cues, I am surprised that I haven't.

Next time I buy one, I will pay you to make me a shaft like you are talking about.
Sound fair?
 
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Mason, sent you an email reply ...
 
icem3n said:
BPG24,

Mason, Sheldon and Joey are all knowledgable cuemaker. I think you are the only one that who do not understand what they are talking about..
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This post intrigued me to the point that with the help of some scientists I was able to develope an interface attaching ribdoners bullsheet detecter directly to the IBM AS/400 super computer

I then fed the contents of this entire post into the machine

the results can not be argued with in any fashion (please no stinkin opinions)

drumrolllllll - here are the results

icem3n and sheldon are without a doubt the least likely posters to ever lose their patience or give up trying to enlighten someone even in the face of the greatest Stonewall since 1863

gentlemen tests confirm you 2 are to be congratulated

reps to both of you
at least until someone does a scientific test to refute these results or it is decided that I misspelled some words or used english incorrectly

this scientific computerized study is not intended to cast aspirations on any other poster merely to point to the path to enlightenment to those who are searching

sometimes in the face of overwhemling scientific evidence even the most cynical of us has to come to the conclusion that it is in fact a duck
 
How can you congratulate someone for

1. calling someone a liar that isn't
2. claiming that someone insulted a cuemaker that didn't
3. insulted a cuemaker himself
4. causes problems because he can't understand what he reads???

I would love to see any such program that comes up with that data.

I guess if those are the things you believe in than by all means...

CONGRATULATIONS!!!
 
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