Patrick,
This is a foolish argument on both our parts.
1. I agree with you that parallel english is not true english. It is a contrivance for changing the angle of attack with the cue ball, e.g., when an interfering cushion or ball blocks a regular center ball stroke.
2. BHE with a swoop provides subtle effects on many shot angles, something that can make its advantages hard to discern even if you've tried it. This is one reason why there are many fine players who argue against its use, including yourself.
I suggest, however, using object balls for cue balls. Stroke 6 or 7 stripes into a distant corner pocket, and alternate. First, set up center ball than move the back hand for english as you suggest. Do the same on alternate balls but stroke with a swoop on the final forward stroke.
The BHE with swoop will provide a bit more spin at medium speed and less cue ball curve with a near-level stroke; the cue ball will find center pocket more so than the regular english strokes. This is why BHE swoop players say they can forget about curve and squirt on aiming at object balls with english on certain swiping strokes.
The reason why is because it is truly a different angle of attack on the ball. You are correct regarding english, squirt and the same stroke in the same place, however, you can hit one tip of left english or hit the same spot on the cue ball with one tip of left english and a cue elevated 20 degrees, which will provide more cue ball curve and is a different angle of attack, of course.
There are a variety of subtle twists you or I can put on the cue stick that provide hitting different portions of the tip along the cue ball, e.g. watching a newbie hit draw successfully for the first time when you suggest they try to strike vertically below center ball with the top section of the cue tip instead of reaching to put the center of the tip on the ball and thus scooping the ball into the air with the ferrule because they lunge at the ball.
Having said that, personally, I use swooping strokes rarely. You are a good enough player that you don't need to employ them, but fire bombing people who do seems wrong when you can see them on TV with fine players constantly.
I'll let you have the final word in this debate. Thank you.
This is a foolish argument on both our parts.
1. I agree with you that parallel english is not true english. It is a contrivance for changing the angle of attack with the cue ball, e.g., when an interfering cushion or ball blocks a regular center ball stroke.
2. BHE with a swoop provides subtle effects on many shot angles, something that can make its advantages hard to discern even if you've tried it. This is one reason why there are many fine players who argue against its use, including yourself.
I suggest, however, using object balls for cue balls. Stroke 6 or 7 stripes into a distant corner pocket, and alternate. First, set up center ball than move the back hand for english as you suggest. Do the same on alternate balls but stroke with a swoop on the final forward stroke.
The BHE with swoop will provide a bit more spin at medium speed and less cue ball curve with a near-level stroke; the cue ball will find center pocket more so than the regular english strokes. This is why BHE swoop players say they can forget about curve and squirt on aiming at object balls with english on certain swiping strokes.
The reason why is because it is truly a different angle of attack on the ball. You are correct regarding english, squirt and the same stroke in the same place, however, you can hit one tip of left english or hit the same spot on the cue ball with one tip of left english and a cue elevated 20 degrees, which will provide more cue ball curve and is a different angle of attack, of course.
There are a variety of subtle twists you or I can put on the cue stick that provide hitting different portions of the tip along the cue ball, e.g. watching a newbie hit draw successfully for the first time when you suggest they try to strike vertically below center ball with the top section of the cue tip instead of reaching to put the center of the tip on the ball and thus scooping the ball into the air with the ferrule because they lunge at the ball.
Having said that, personally, I use swooping strokes rarely. You are a good enough player that you don't need to employ them, but fire bombing people who do seems wrong when you can see them on TV with fine players constantly.
I'll let you have the final word in this debate. Thank you.
