Questions CSI should answer about 25July2014 Ko Pin Yi-Ralf Souquet 8ball semifinal

[NlceGuy]

Please address the material difference between a dq and a forfiet vis-a-vis a tournament.

Disqualification occurs typically because you breach certain rules or guidelines regarding fair play, in which case the spot you have arrived at may not have been attainable without such advantage(s), and perhaps another player/team might have been there instead. Thus, decision is sometimes made to replace those DQ teams with others that are more deserving.

A forfeit is strictly on the player/team. They have done nothing wrong to reach the point where they are in the tournament and are there by the merits of competition and fair play. In such a case, if they choose to forfeit, there is no reasoning behind another team taking their place because each player/team has already reached where they should have.

I hope that makes sense because it quite a huge difference... and you are not just trolling me with that question. :embarrassed2:

 

[prewarhero]

Mark is neither a Saint nor a Sinner. Hes a businessman. They make decision based on their hopes and aspirations. Part of that is profit. Sometimes he makes decisions that does not fit to the general publics hopes and aspirations. We cant always have it our way and he cant either.
So what is he supposed to do. Will an apology suffice? Yes I messed up Ill try to be better? That does not cost a businessman anything as far as material goes.
What is it you want?
Im sure he, if he is an astute businessman, (and Im sure he is) he will give you that.
But what is it you exactly want? If you want me to hate him Im sorry I cant. I don't know the man enough to. I know I like his wife very much. Sunny.
I know he is the man to revive the US Open One Pocket. And he can run that no matter what after a long drought of it.
Im not defending him you see.
The only hope I have is he rescinds his ban against last years US Open 10 ball champion, Rodney Morris. Until then I hold my money.

He made perhaps an error. We all do. Ask your wife or your husband or your kids or your parents or your priest or your union rep. Are you without mistakes?

Not taking sides but lets let it go and wait for 2015 for a better fruitful pool season with a better understanding of each other..

BS. Total BS. So seeking profit justifies poor ethics? No one is asking you to hate anyone. If he made an error let us see how he handles it from here, but a free pass because he wants profits, sorry no. His decision has nothing to do with what the general public wants, it has only everything to do with right and wrong. BTW, it is easy to claim there is a grey area in-between right and wrong when you are trying to straddle both sides. There is not.

As I type the above, it does occur to me that I too have made mistakes and exercised poor judgement in the past myself, so I have not condemned him nor is it up to me to judge him. I only point out the some of the illogical irrelevant banter that oozes out of this place.

 

[itsfroze]

thing is when the decision needs to be made he only has a couple mins to make a decision. not days to discuss the options with AZ. If he did maybe he coulda made a better call.

still not a big deal... and whopdi shit bout Ko not wanting to play.. he got invited to play by the boss, if the boss says play you play... or no dough...

I read what you wrote it's total BS.

How long does it take to make a decision you've made a hundred times before
in the same circumstance. If you or any other intelligent person has to made a
quick decision, you go with what you know, right. You don't come up with something
out of left field that's never done when in a pinch, so please save that quick decision BS also.

He's not their boss, they paid $1,000 dollar entry fee, so more BS.
Even if he was the boss if he is doing something unfair I'm going to tell
him. I guess some people go through life with no back bone, each to their own.

If he threatens to not pay me if I don't play, I absolutely won't play.
In fact at that point I would laugh in his face, as I unscrew. LOL

Have a great Day !

 

[BJTyler]

Disqualification occurs typically because you breach certain rules or guidelines regarding fair play, in which case the spot you have arrived at may not have been attainable without such advantage(s), and perhaps another player/team might have been there instead. Thus, decision is sometimes made to replace those DQ teams with others that are more deserving.

A forfeit is strictly on the player/team. They have done nothing wrong to reach the point where they are in the tournament and are there by the merits of competition and fair play. In such a case, if they choose to forfeit, there is no reasoning behind another team taking their place because each player/team has already reached where they should have.

I hope that makes sense because it quite a huge difference... and you are not just trolling me with that question. :embarrassed2:

Thank you for that clarification, I don't think it's without merit. However, I'll suggest that your definition of "forfeit" is not universal.


per Google
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for·feit
ˈfôrfit/Submit

verb
verb: forfeit; 3rd person present: forfeits; past tense: forfeited; past participle: forfeited; gerund or present participle: forfeiting
1.
lose or be deprived of (property or a right or privilege) as a penalty for wrongdoing.
"those unable to meet their taxes were liable to forfeit their property"
lose or give up (something) as a necessary consequence of something else.
"she didn't mind forfeiting an extra hour in bed to get up and clean the stables"
synonyms: lose, be deprived of, surrender, relinquish, sacrifice, give up, yield, renounce, forgo; More
antonyms: retain

noun
noun: forfeit; plural noun: forfeits
1.
a fine or penalty for wrongdoing or for a breach of the rules in a club or game.
synonyms: penalty, sanction, punishment, penance; More
LAW
an item of property or a right or privilege lost as a legal penalty.
a game in which trivial penalties are exacted.
the action of forfeiting something.

adjective
adjective: forfeit
1.
lost or surrendered as a penalty for wrongdoing or neglect.
"the lands which he had acquired were automatically forfeit"

 

[prewarhero]

Why does anyone think they have a right to ask why something was one the way it was done. It is CSI's business.

My Invesment
My Business
My Rules

Who do you people calling out CSI think you are?

Why, for the same reason we tell big tobacco to stop trying to sell cigarettes to kids. Because, there is something called business ethics. In fact, it is a mandatory class for a BA in business or an MBA, you know the degrees about business.

If what is said is true many participants were not dealt the same hand as others. They were ripped off. You do know that it is proper to call out a business when it rips someone off right. Geez, where does the board find these people with zero common sense. Nice argument there brother.

 

[yobagua]

BS. Total BS. So seeking profit justifies poor ethics? No one is asking you to hate anyone. If he made an error let us see how he handles it from here, but a free pass because he wants profits, sorry no. His decision has nothing to do with what the general public wants, it has only everything to do with right and wrong. BTW, it is easy to claim there is a grey area in-between right and wrong when you are trying to straddle both sides. There is not.

As I type the above, it does occur to me that I too have made mistakes and exercised poor judgement in the past myself, so I have not condemned him nor is it up to me to judge him. I only point out the some of the illogical irrelevant banter that oozes out of this place.

The only thing that is TOTAL BS is those jumping to conclusions without knowing the facts while screaming about moral and ethics. That's why this country has an ethic of "Innocent until proven guilty". I did not say he did things for profit but certainly is motivated for it like any business man. There is no free passes here and don't put words in my mouth. I want to hear his side of the story first before I can decide for myself what is "right and wrong". For we also live by another higher law. "Let those of you who has not sinned throw the first stone".

 

[one stroke]

The only thing that is TOTAL BS is those jumping to conclusions without knowing the facts while screaming about moral and ethics. That's why this country has an ethic of "Innocent until proven guilty". I did not say he did things for profit but certainly is motivated for it like any business man. There is no free passes here and don't put words in my mouth. I want to hear his side of the story first before I can decide for myself what is "right and wrong". For we also live by another higher law. "Let those of you who has not sinned throw the first stone".

But there's part 2 ,, that would be , should he have given a reason at the time he made the decision ,,, ,, head the storm off before it gains traction ,, seriously this is PR 101

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[prewarhero]

The only thing that is TOTAL BS is those jumping to conclusions without knowing the facts while screaming about moral and ethics. That's why this country has an ethic of "Innocent until proven guilty". I did not say he did things for profit but certainly is motivated for it like any business man. There is no free passes here and don't put words in my mouth. I want to hear his side of the story first before I can decide for myself what is "right and wrong". For we also live by another higher law. "Let those of you who has not sinned throw the first stone".

no problem with innocent until proven guilty. I do have a problem with brushing actions under rug because it was all for profit.

 

[SWRLE]

Todd Aiken says

Please address the material difference between a dq and a forfeit vis-a-vis a tournament.

If it's a legitimate forfeit then the TD has a way of shutting that whole thing down

 

[Lumocolor]

Has any business ever come out and said 'Yeah well it's our business and we'll do whatever the F we want and those that don't like it, tough chit' and survived after saying that?

This wasnt a free stream by any means and even though some people that weren't actually paying customers have been giving their opinions their are others that actually were paying customers and coming out with a 'it's my party and i'll do what i want to' line might not be the smartest idea and that goes double or quadruple for a niche market product like pool PPVs.

 

[PINKLADY]

The only thing that is TOTAL BS is those jumping to conclusions without knowing the facts while screaming about moral and ethics....

let us not forget that this "new ïnvitational" was premised on "respect & integrity from the players & for the Game". it would not surprise me if there is more to the scenario - to which we will never be privvy.

i await Mark's statement. and i wish he had made it 4 days ago to avoid all of this.

 

[itsfroze]

There is no reason Mark can come up with, that makes what he did to Ko
okay, that's number one. Number two I doubt what is said will be eye opening,
The fact that we haven't heard anything all this time says much.
I know he's running the tournament, save that for the easily confused, thanks.

Have a great day !

 

[yobagua]

But there's part 2 ,, that would be , should he have given a reason at the time he made the decision ,,, ,, head the storm off before it gains traction ,, seriously this is PR 101

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Theres a big club that I am sometimes a key member. Its the "Shouldve, Couldve, Wouldve, but I didnt Club". Presidents Nixon and Clinton have been members. Kobe and Iron Mike have. So has Gov Rick Perry and Senator Anthony Weiner. People all who should know better but dont. You could 101 them all you want but people keep making mistakes.

Its easy to Monday Morning Quaterback but we human beings seem to make errors under stressful situations. Its a good thing too. They make errors. We learn.
Im not excusing Mark. But i say there can be some repair here. For something to be better.

 

[yobagua]

Mark is neither a Saint nor a Sinner. Hes a businessman. They make decision based on their hopes and aspirations. Part of that is profit. Sometimes he makes decisions that does not fit to the general publics hopes and aspirations. We cant always have it our way and he cant either.
So what is he supposed to do. Will an apology suffice? Yes I messed up Ill try to be better? That does not cost a businessman anything as far as material goes.
What is it you want?
Im sure he, if he is an astute businessman, (and Im sure he is) he will give you that.
But what is it you exactly want? If you want me to hate him Im sorry I cant. I don't know the man enough to. I know I like his wife very much. Sunny.
I know he is the man to revive the US Open One Pocket. And he can run that no matter what after a long drought of it.
Im not defending him you see.
The only hope I have is he rescinds his ban against last years US Open 10 ball champion, Rodney Morris. Until then I hold my money.

He made perhaps an error. We all do. Ask your wife or your husband or your kids or your parents or your priest or your union rep. Are you without mistakes?

Not taking sides but lets let it go and wait for 2015 for a better fruitful pool season with a better understanding of each other..

Just been informed that Mark and Sunny are no longer together. Sorry. See what half baked info does. My bad. But I still like ya Sunny. Dont disappear.
Keone

 

[derekdisco]

Mark needs to come in here and answer the questions of the azbilliards forum members, because they are important to the game. They NEED ANSWERS!

 

[mnb]

Mark needs to come in here and answer the questions of the azbilliards forum members, because they are important to the game. They NEED ANSWERS!

There's nothing to answer. Mark has all the money, so the pool players have to do what he says. Case closed

 

[justadub]

The fact that we haven't heard anything all this time says much.
I know he's running the tournament, save that for the easily confused, thanks.

Have a great day !

Yes, he is running a tournament. A BIG amateur tournament, the nationals for his pool league. You know, the part of the pool business where he makes money, not like the pro pool side of thing.

It is completely understandable (to all but about three or four of you) that Mark will get back to addressing this situation when he can, and when its appropriate. And when he can give it the time it requires to present things properly, in a professional manner. Because that's what professionals do.

You aren't going to accept anything Mark has to say anyway, that much is evident.

Tilting at windmills must give you joy, you are doing it rather frequently, Mr. Quixote

 

[Kid Dynomite]

Anyone factor in his health issues?

We may not have him around for long and squeezing in another great ring side match on technicality is something I really can't hold against him.

So, the pool world gave CSI an extra match. But given all they have done good for the sport they more than EARNED it!

No one here knows what the doctors prognosis is and how much time he has left. This could be his last one. Your never promised tomorrow so LIVE for today!

Kd

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[one stroke]

Yes, he is running a tournament. A BIG amateur tournament, the nationals for his pool league. You know, the part of the pool business where he makes money, not like the pro pool side of thing.

It is completely understandable (to all but about three or four of you) that Mark will get back to addressing this situation when he can, and when its appropriate. And when he can give it the time it requires to present things properly, in a professional manner. Because that's what professionals do.

You aren't going to accept anything Mark has to say anyway, that much is evident.

Tilting at windmills must give you joy, you are doing it rather frequently, Mr. Quixote

The fact is he has chosen not to make a statement his choice and right to do so ,, it's not the state of the union speech or a press conference , it's really doesn't take much thought or that much time to explain ....

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[robsnotes4u]

Beyond Ignorant

Why, for the same reason we tell big tobacco to stop trying to sell cigarettes to kids. Because, there is something called business ethics. In fact, it is a mandatory class for a BA in business or an MBA, you know the degrees about business.

If what is said is true many participants were not dealt the same hand as others. They were ripped off. You do know that it is proper to call out a business when it rips someone off right. Geez, where does the board find these people with zero common sense. Nice argument there brother.

Mark, has given everything and owes you nothing. Grow up. Put up your own money and time and do your own thing if you don't like it.

To fix pool they need to take people, like you, and the rest of the Keyboard Cowboys on here and BAN them from even watching the streams. Not one of you guys would ever pick up the phone and call like Mark has asked in the past. I guarantee not one of you keyboard cowboys would dare say it to any of the CSI heads to their faces, instead you would kiss their feet, and talk behind their backs.

You remind me of typical low end managers, the kind that are title chasers. You come into my office, complain, thinking it makes you look good. All complaints no solutions.

So yes. Sorry you can't handle it, but....

It is Mark's Investment
It is Mark's Business
It is Mark's who decides what to do

Every heard of Southwest Airlines, Profitable every year since 1973, the only airline to do that. "They have to practice the golden rule every day - first with each other, and then with our passengers." Go complain to the CEO. He will back his employees 100%. Why. He has 40,000, 50,000 or more invested every year in them, and only 300-800 in the ticket you just bought.

So before you think your are a Keyboard Cowboy and talk about MBA's and business do a little research.

Problem with you, Common Sense isn't very Common