Quick pendulum stroke question

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nrhoades

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I have two videos::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpfLd4UAQPs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDxDvpGFJnw

The first is the stroke stance I'm using now. My hand hits my rib cage and after a few hours it becomes sore. In this stance I line up my shot with my left foot and step backward.

The second is me trying to imitate what I see online. My hand is further back near my waist and my rib doesn't get a jab shot on every stroke, but it kills my hamstrings. You can hear me sigh in pain.

Which one is better for me?
 
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The instructor area may get you more focused professional responses but I'd say if the forearm of your grip hand is straight up and down when the tip is at the cue ball then you should have plenty left for follow-through before you hit your ribs.
 
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Overall, that 2nd stance does seem to look much better than the 1st.
However, I can't see your back foot. If it is close to parallel with the stick then it will put a lot of pressure on your hamstrings. Try turning it out( toe to the right) a bit more. Also looks like you can back up that foot a bit. That should take tension off the back of the leg.
If that still doesn't help you could bend your back knee a bit(no law against it). It looks like your pretty tall and when you get down that low on stick, I believe there is always gonna be more tension on your legs.
The best advice anybody can give you is, if it hurts, DON"T do it. Injured hamstrings can take a long time to heal. And then they re-injure more easily. So be careful. And certainly post in the instructor forum. Better yet get a lesson with one of them.

Just me opinion,
hope it helps,
matt
 
Neither, your stoke should be YOUR stroke. You need to do what feels right and what is natural for you.

A qualified instructor can help you with that.

Your elbow looks still which is a good thing. However, you have a very small back-swing, and you tighten up your grip at the end of the stroke. That is a bad habit in the making. I see that in both video examples.

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I have two videos::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpfLd4UAQPs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDxDvpGFJnw

The first is the stroke stance I'm using now. My hand hits my rib cage and after a few hours it becomes sore. In this stance I line up my shot with my left foot and step backward.

The second is me trying to imitate what I see online. My hand is further back near my waist and my rib doesn't get a jab shot on every stroke, but it kills my hamstrings. You can hear me sigh in pain.

Which one is better for me?
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He is young, so he can. I used to be that low too when I was younger, now I stand higher because I am not as flexible as I use to be, and my bigger belly gets in the way more now.

:)

Is there a right stance? As long as you are comfortable and balanced that is the right stance for you.


duckie said:
Why on earth do people believe they have to be so low when shooting.

Raise up some.
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nrhoades said:
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I have two videos::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpfLd4UAQPs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDxDvpGFJnw

The first is the stroke stance I'm using now. My hand hits my rib cage and after a few hours it becomes sore. In this stance I line up my shot with my left foot and step backward.

The second is me trying to imitate what I see online. My hand is further back near my waist and my rib doesn't get a jab shot on every stroke, but it kills my hamstrings. You can hear me sigh in pain.

Which one is better for me?
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The second one is better. the first one you don't look balanced. It looks like your right foot is directly behind your left foot? Plus your body is getting in the way of your stroke.

As for you hamstrings hurting - try STRETCHING. :D all kidding aside, if you stick to stance two your legs will get use to it and the hamstring issue will go away. (But stretch anyway. it's good for you.)
 
Excellent post. I believe you nailed it. Turning the right foot out (clockwise) will solve the hamstring problem and provide a more stable foundation. You know your stuff!

mattp said:
Overall, that 2nd stance does seem to look much better than the 1st.
However, I can't see your back foot. If it is close to parallel with the stick then it will put a lot of pressure on your hamstrings. Try turning it out( toe to the right) a bit more. Also looks like you can back up that foot a bit. That should take tension off the back of the leg.
If that still doesn't help you could bend your back knee a bit(no law against it). It looks like your pretty tall and when you get down that low on stick, I believe there is always gonna be more tension on your legs.
The best advice anybody can give you is, if it hurts, DON"T do it. Injured hamstrings can take a long time to heal. And then they re-injure more easily. So be careful. And certainly post in the instructor forum. Better yet get a lesson with one of them.

Just me opinion,
hope it helps,
matt
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Keep the body still!

The first one is better.

The second one, your head and body is moving back and forth.

You can't shoot straight if your head is moving back and forth, let alone yelling in pain every time you swing it.


JoeyA
 
When I study my own videos of myself shooting I notice:

If my grip is high (towards the cue tip) than towards the end of the stroke, my wrist has a strong influence on the stroke direction. A simple test is to grip the cue extremely close to the tip, then rotate your wrist, the motion is very noticeable.

I try a lower grip and (towards the cue butt) then notice towards the end of the stroke, my bicep has strong influence on the stroke direction. A simple test is grip the cue extremely close to the butt and then swing your bicep in a stroke like fashion, push for extremes, so the effect is obvious.

Since I know about the effects of each, I vary my stroke based on how much spin (english, follow, draw, side) I want. My low grip gives my stroke high spin, which I like having on extremely tight cut shots. My high grip gives me more accuracy, which helps get better position.
 
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nrhoades said:
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I have two videos::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpfLd4UAQPs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDxDvpGFJnw

The first is the stroke stance I'm using now. My hand hits my rib cage and after a few hours it becomes sore. In this stance I line up my shot with my left foot and step backward.

The second is me trying to imitate what I see online. My hand is further back near my waist and my rib doesn't get a jab shot on every stroke, but it kills my hamstrings. You can hear me sigh in pain.

Which one is better for me?
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The first one.

Your grip is too tight in both vids.....randyg
 
I watched the second one and one you posted later and what I notice is some pretty good setup but a very tight/short space for follow through. You are so low and your elbow is high placing your forearm really close to your finish position thus no room for follow through at finish position.


If you have your elbow and shoulder more on plane your fore arm can go farther forward. Consider a slightly higher stance I think it would help your follow through and will be more confortable. The upper arm should be closer to parallel to the floor.


One more thought, consider stopping for a moment/small period of time at the front and back of the stroke.
 
Around here we call that "Belly-Hooked".

Nick

Tony_in_MD said:
He is young, so he can. I used to be that low too when I was younger, now I stand higher because I am not as flexible as I use to be, and my bigger belly gets in the way more now.

:)

Is there a right stance? As long as you are comfortable and balanced that is the right stance for you.
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elvicash said:
I watched the second one and one you posted later and what I notice is some pretty good setup but a very tight/short space for follow through. You are so low and your elbow is high placing your forearm really close to your finish position thus no room for follow through at finish position.


If you have your elbow and shoulder more on plane your fore arm can go farther forward. Consider a slightly higher stance I think it would help your follow through and will be more confortable. The upper arm should be closer to parallel to the floor.


One more thought, consider stopping for a moment/small period of time at the front and back of the stroke.
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How far should he follow through?

Thanks
randyg
 
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