Quick Question About A Sale

leehayes said:
I sold a gold watch on ebay last year for 2500. I got the payment and promised shipment right after payment not realizing the buyer was from China. So, keeping my word I sent the watch because I had the Paypal payment. I sent it on Saturday and Sunday night paypal froze the payment. I had to wait 3 weeks for a resolution. The buyer didn't do anything but pay for the watch and paypal still froze it because he was from China. Anyway...after 3 weeks of sweating it out he left me positive feedback and I forwarded that to paypal and they finally released the money. Have to say that I wouldn't do it again..
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I wouldn't do it again either. Just to point back to the hoops, PayPal freezes a payment because their computer kicks it as it hits too many negative "points" in a program. Why the freeze is not information available to the PayPal reps, all they know is that it tripped the profile and the payment got kicked. The first thing PayPal wants to know is was the address "eligible", which the can determine without you. If the address is eligible they go right to the hoops:

1) have you shipped yet
2) if you have shipped was it to that eligible address
3) do you have direct online verifiable signature confirmation

If the answer to any of the hoops is no and they are not on the hook to pay a claim, you better hope the freeze gets lifted, or that you have insurance, because if PayPal determines they are not on the hook, well they do what most of us do when its "not our problem". In the case of China, I think no addresses are "eligible".

Kevin
 
If you are unsure and it is a big hassle...PASS. The agg is not worth it.
 
International Shipping

There are a number of freight forwarding companies that will ship and insure..., not cheap, but safe!
 
King T said:
There are a number of freight forwarding companies that will ship and insure..., not cheap, but safe!
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But what does insurance do? Does that protect me from him screwing me through Paypal (not saying that he is)?
 
The old adage about choosing the seller as much as the product is equally true about choosing who to sell to. Look at their purchases, judge their posts, see how knowledgeable they are about the game - make a judgement call.

I've bought 5 cues from overseas in the last year, and have assumed the risk on all. However, i still want to use PP because it's easier and cheaper than a money transfer. If the buyer insists on WU I'd be happy to go down that route only if they agreed to pay the fees, which can be substantial.

In terms of fraud, how PP operates, insurance, yadda yadda, I would urge buyers to clarify these things themselves, as there's a lot of fear and misrepresentation associated with overseas shipping, when there needn't be.
 
Brain71 said:
But what does insurance do? Does that protect me from him screwing me through Paypal (not saying that he is)?
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It only insures against damage or loss from shipping.

It sounds like you're reconsidering selling the cue. It's too late for that, you already did. Chances are it will all work out. I suppose you can refund and cancel the deal, but put yourself in the buyer's shoes and consider how you would feel if somebody did that to you. Yes, you are at a disadvantage if there is fraud or a problem but the odds are vastly in your favor this will work out fine.

If this is a lot of money involved that your absolutely couldn't afford to lose, then you have to decide based on that.

Chris
 
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I could be wrong but doesn't paypal allow one to send money via the "payment owed" method? In doing so the money cannot be recalled by sender right?
Again i could be wrong. Though I'm not the buyer in this case, I am from Singapore and have items shipped to me in China so I'd really know to know if there's anything potential buyers like myself can do to be credible yet safe at the same time.

Might not be a worthy info but Singapore is a small small country...4-5million ppl...strict place..and well the pool community there is small..makes u feel any better just add him on Facebook and see how he looks and if that's a genuine account. May not be anything useful but I hope it helps.
 
To add, once inorder to ensure one of my seller was comfortable shipping to me in China I scanned my passport to him along with the front of my creditcard and added him to Facebook. That sort of matches the face bit. I mean if your gonna file a report incase something happens u might as well have a face and passport details! And I mean it with that kind of info there's no way the guy won't get found in Singapore...do an Atlas check, Singapore is pewny...
 
i think it should be safe since he has 15 itrader feedback with some reputable people here.
if u are worried, maybe use escrow.
i roughly know who u are referring to. his nickname is abc........ he is a stand up guy for sure.
escrow if u really feel the need.
 
nitro88 said:
i think it should be safe since he has 15 itrader feedback with some reputable people here.
if u are worried, maybe use escrow.
i roughly know who u are referring to. his nickname is abc........ he is a stand up guy for sure.
escrow if u really feel the need.
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Not saying anything about this buyer, but could you explain how escrow protects the seller from a credit card dispute charge back through PayPal?

Thanks

Kevin
 
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PM sent for the name of the AZer in question. I have dealt with a couple of folks from Singapore that went well.
 
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