Quick release joint?

timothysoong

timothysoong

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Well, I've made a thread about testing warped cues about 2years ago.

About a year later after that thread, I myself purchased a custom cue from a different reputated cuemaker in taiwan.

It has a customized size butt(smaller diameter than typical cues) cause I have small hands. Shafts and Butts both roll perfectly, but wobbles together. Holds the cue with the rifle stance, its perfectly straight.

I tried playing with it, no problems, doesn't effect my shot or my cueball control. So I was just wondering, can both these cue's problem be the "Quick Released Joint" cause the screw is too short and could not support the cue when lying it on the table which causes it to bent slightly and causing the wobbling??

I don't know. This cue has been with me for about 1.5years and the wobbling still there since I bought it, I'm now coming back to play pool and it still works perfectly fine. But the fact that it wobbles, have always kept me in doubt and curious to know why.

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Hopefully some experts could share their experiences. Sorry for the bad english(its been like 4years since I use english everyday).

Tim
 
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seems like the joint faces are the culprit. You can get the joint refaced.
 
berko said:
seems like the joint faces are the culprit. You can get the joint refaced.
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How can the joint faces be the problem? And why is that I can still play perfectly well without it affecting my shots?

Edit: I've added pictures, but I doubt you can tell through the pictures.
 
The faced on the shaft or the butt is not perfectly square to the center line of the cue.

Robert
 
The joint screw (no matter what type) just holds the two pieces together when tightened. It has about 0% to do with making the two piece cue straight.

The perpendicularity of the shaft face and the joint face determine whether or not the two piece cue is straight when together. The faces can be off just a tiny amount and cause the cue to wobble very badly. So tiny that no human eye could ever detect the difference. For instance, if the shaft face and the joint face were both off 0.002", and those imperfections aligned in the worst way, that could account for as much as 1/8" wobble at the tip.

The reason you can still shoot just fine with a wobbly stick is because your stroke isn't laser perfect - nobody's is. As you stroke back and forth, the cue tip is bobbing up and down, left and right, in relation to the cue ball. The better your stroke is, the less this happens.

When you strike the cue ball imperfectly (whether due to a wobbly stick, a wobbly stroke, or both), there is a significant margin of error in (1) where you strike the cue ball and whether or not you miscue, and (2) where the cue ball strikes the object ball and whether or not the object ball goes into the pocket.
 
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D-X69 said:
How can the joint faces be the problem? And why is that I can still play perfectly well without it affecting my shots?

Edit: I've added pictures, but I doubt you can tell through the pictures.
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if both halfs roll straight a part but the cue will not roll straight together
the problem is either the
joint face,
pin or insert wasnt centered correctly,
pin is bent
there is nothing else that can cause it.

if both halfs roll straight !
MMike
 
I don't have a whole lot to add to what others have already said, but now that we have pictures, when I look at the shaft side, I think I see a small indentation where the collar meets the shaft. There seems to be bits of glue or other residue there. Also, looking across the entire shaft facing, I think I see "stuff" on that surface that shouldn't be there.

So as the others have said, a light facing of the joint surfaces may be called for. And a quick spin of the butt after being set up in the lathe to see if the pin is set in correctly. Another thing that can be done is to screw a loose pin down in the shaft side and then spin the shaft. This can help identify a misbored shaft - but in this case, I'm not sure what the pin threading is.

My 2 cents,

Gary
 
A cue can shoot perfectly fine as long as it is solid and stable or consistent. If it were to change its behavior between shots it wouldn't work, The fact that it isn't perfectly straight is meaningless. The problem people have with slightly bent cues is in their mind plus the fact that selling the cue would be a problem.

If the butt is straight and the shaft st
 
I took it to a cuemaker and he says its definitely warped. :((

Anyways, now can anyone recommend me some playing cues that has lightweight and thinner butts? :(
 
D-X69 said:
I took it to a cuemaker and he says its definitely warped. :((

Anyways, now can anyone recommend me some playing cues that has lightweight and thinner butts? :(
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But originally you said "Shafts and Butts both roll perfectly, but wobbles together. Holds the cue with the rifle stance, its perfectly straight."

????

Gary
 
Ask your cue guy to use a boring bar and slightly bore your metal insert slightly under the wood.
 
GBCues said:
But originally you said "Shafts and Butts both roll perfectly, but wobbles together. Holds the cue with the rifle stance, its perfectly straight."

????

Gary
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He said that both the shaft and the butt is slightly warped and both on different sides so you could barely see a wobble when rolled seperately.

But when you joined them together and placed them on a machine that spins the cue. And he made me touched the cue will it spins, it wobbles as it spins. whereas when he took a straight new cue and spins it, it won't. So yeah I guess he proved that its warped. Anyways, I bought my first production cue, mezz axi-n to replaced with my custom-made cue.
 
D-X69 said:
He said that both the shaft and the butt is slightly warped and both on different sides so you could barely see a wobble when rolled seperately.

But when you joined them together and placed them on a machine that spins the cue. And he made me touched the cue will it spins, it wobbles as it spins. whereas when he took a straight new cue and spins it, it won't. So yeah I guess he proved that its warped. Anyways, I bought my first production cue, mezz axi-n to replaced with my custom-made cue.
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I am just curious. Your Cue Maker has a 60 plus inch between centers lathe to spin the whole cue while put together?
 
D-X69 said:
He said that both the shaft and the butt is slightly warped and both on different sides so you could barely see a wobble when rolled seperately.

But when you joined them together and placed them on a machine that spins the cue. And he made me touched the cue will it spins, it wobbles as it spins. whereas when he took a straight new cue and spins it, it won't. So yeah I guess he proved that its warped. Anyways, I bought my first production cue, mezz axi-n to replaced with my custom-made cue.
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Sorry, either you are not reporting the story correctly, or your cuemaker
is wrong.

The ONLY situation that could result in all the details that you stated
would be if the cue was dead straight but, was not perfectly concentric
around the centerline. As in 'not round'.

This is a perfect example of why I continue to harp on the futility of
rolling cues on pool tables.

Dale
 
I wish I just recorded a video of what happened to me yesterday on a cue that I just finished.....

Both butt and shaft rolled perfect and no wobble on lathe.... Just finished wet sanding and buffing shaft end..

I screw on the shaft and roll it on table and the darn tip end comes up a good 1/2 inch off table......I take the shaft off and there is a tiny dot of finish right next to the insert......could barely notice it

I faced it off and it rolls perfect.....that tiny amount was enough to throw the shaft way off....
 
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