Quitting winner

Drew

Drew

Got a little dog in you?
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I've never done it. I'll never do it. So how does it keep happening to me?

A couple weeks ago, I played this guy a set to 3 for 20. He snapped the 9 on the first break, and early outed the second game. I broke and ran the next and came out winner in a safety battle in game 4. But I rattled the 9 and he beat me 3-1. I ask to play again and he says I'm too good for him and quits.

Then the other night, I'm playing with another guy I've never played before, but I see him gambling regularly. We start with some sets for 50. He wins 3 and I jack the bet to 100. I catch a gear in that set and beat him 8-2. He quits. I asked him to play a quick race to 5 for my money back and he refuses.

Do the math, that's 70 I've lost in the last couple weeks to early quitters. It's starting to get old.
 
I wouldn't be surprised . . . .

I wouldn't be surprised if they are trying to win money gambling. :eek: :eek: :eek:

Hu



Drew said:
I've never done it. I'll never do it. So how does it keep happening to me?

A couple weeks ago, I played this guy a set to 3 for 20. He snapped the 9 on the first break, and early outed the second game. I broke and ran the next and came out winner in a safety battle in game 4. But I rattled the 9 and he beat me 3-1. I ask to play again and he says I'm too good for him and quits.

Then the other night, I'm playing with another guy I've never played before, but I see him gambling regularly. We start with some sets for 50. He wins 3 and I jack the bet to 100. I catch a gear in that set and beat him 8-2. He quits. I asked him to play a quick race to 5 for my money back and he refuses.

Do the math, that's 70 I've lost in the last couple weeks to early quitters. It's starting to get old.
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Drew said:
I've never done it. I'll never do it. So how does it keep happening to me?

A couple weeks ago, I played this guy a set to 3 for 20. He snapped the 9 on the first break, and early outed the second game. I broke and ran the next and came out winner in a safety battle in game 4. But I rattled the 9 and he beat me 3-1. I ask to play again and he says I'm too good for him and quits.

Then the other night, I'm playing with another guy I've never played before, but I see him gambling regularly. We start with some sets for 50. He wins 3 and I jack the bet to 100. I catch a gear in that set and beat him 8-2. He quits. I asked him to play a quick race to 5 for my money back and he refuses.

Do the math, that's 70 I've lost in the last couple weeks to early quitters. It's starting to get old.
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These guys are locksmiths and have no gamble to them. Write them off, look for better action.
 
you are gambling with nits! i would suggest posting up 2 sets and make an agreement somebody must win 2 sets.
 
Why would you NEVER quit winner? That sounds kind of stupid doesn't it??
 
dimes33 said:
you are gambling with nits! i would suggest posting up 2 sets and make an agreement somebody must win 2 sets.
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If they win the two sets and then quit would you complain?
 
easy-e said:
If they win the two sets and then quit would you complain?
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absolutely not that is whole purpose behind 2 sets and i wasnt the one complaining.i dont gamble with nits.
 
dimes33 said:
absolutely not that is whole purpose behind 2 sets and i wasnt the one complaining.i dont gamble with nits.
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You can't complain if the deal is for one set. If you can't stand someone quitting, you shouldn't gamble with them. Would they be a "nit" if hey bet $10,000 and then quit when they win the first set? Just curious.
 
easy-e said:
If they win the two sets and then quit would you complain?
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Old school unwritten rule was you played til the guy losing quit or went broke. Of course, if a spot comes into use later in the match, that was a new game. BTW if you are playing a game and winning, why would you want to quit, wouldn't you want to keep winning more money? I guess the thinking is different these days.
 
poolhustler said:
Why not discuss the terms before playing??
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Sounds to me that is exactly what they are doing when they say "race to 7 for $XXX". Then they complain when someone won't give it back.
 
punter said:
Old school unwritten rule was you played til the guy losing quit or went broke. Of course, if a spot comes into use later in the match, that was a new game. BTW if you are playing a game and winning, why would you want to quit, wouldn't you want to keep winning more money? I guess the thinking is different these days.
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In his first example, it seems the guy who won clearly saw that he was not the better player. Why would he want to lose? When I gamble and lose, you will never hear me complain if the winner quits.
 
old school

punter said:
Old school unwritten rule was you played til the guy losing quit or went broke. Of course, if a spot comes into use later in the match, that was a new game. BTW if you are playing a game and winning, why would you want to quit, wouldn't you want to keep winning more money? I guess the thinking is different these days.
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I have played losers many a time that didn't have sense enough to know when to quit. I give some warning before I quit but I feel no obligation whatsoever to give someone a chance to get even. If I think it is a pretty even game I may give them a chance to get half of their money back. If they don't have a snowball's chance in hell of beating me then raising the bet hard at the end just dings them that much harder.

I have played pool for recreation but I have never in my life gambled for recreation. I gamble with the intention to finish with more money than I started with. That definitely means knowing when to quit a bad game even if I luck into an early lead. I have never known a professional gambler that didn't play smart, call them what you will.

The old school gamblers actually came from the WC school, "never give a sucker an even break."

Hu
 
easy-e said:
You can't complain if the deal is for one set. If you can't stand someone quitting, you shouldn't gamble with them. Would they be a "nit" if hey bet $10,000 and then quit when they win the first set? Just curious.
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im curious too,do you match up and play much?
 
Does the amount of $$ matter?

For those of you who don't approve of quitting winner: Does the amount you're playing for make a difference?

I beat a guy a few months ago in a 9-ball race to seven. We were playing for table time. The match went hill-hill, taking longer than I had expected, and when we finished it was late and I needed to sleep before work the next day. When I declined to play another set, he went a little ballistic. Whining, telling me to "be a man," saying it was wrong of me not to give him a chance to win his money back. We were playing for table time! $5 per hour, set was maybe an hour. It was clear that his issue was more of wounded pride than wounded wallet.

Does anyone think I was being unreasonable here? I can kind of understand "owing" someone a second set if you beat them for a larger amount, but for table time? I'm pretty new to playing money games, so I'm wondering if this is a piece of gambling etiquette I need to be aware of.

Thanks,
Andrew
 
I think most of them whine because they lost the set, not because you won't give them another. Guys like that aren't worth "gambling" with, especially when you are obviously just trying to play for fun (table time). You end up leaving with a head ache.
 
dimes33 said:
im curious too,do you match up and play much?
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Whenever I get the chance. I have made plenty of money playing pool. I also make sure I play guys that I know can afford to lose. That usually ensures they don't whine after they lose.

Would you mind answering my question now? If the bet is $10,000 and he quits after winning the first set, is he a nit? He bet an awful lot of money didn't he? My point is, if I play a set for $100, I am playing to win $100. After the set I will never feel any obligation, win or lose, to play again. All of the terms were set forth before the set. If you are going to cry if someone quits, make sure you make the game the way you want it before the set, and don't just assume that your opponent knows your "old-school" theory of gambling.
 
The old days

are gone, and so are the old ways of doing things. The person that started this, are you playing guys you know, or just someone you have seen around, it makes a difference.

When matching up -
1) Always agree which rules you are playing by.

2) Agree to amount and length (or ahead) of race.

3) Agree on any spot being given/received.
(On a personal note: I never adjust a spot after 1 set, I am not trying to get to the 'middle' of things, I am trying to win money. After 3 sets with me winning all 3, I will adjust, a little, if the other player doesn't like it, he can quit for all that I care. - I base this on, if they are not smart enough when we first match up, then they have to pay the price). I, very rarely,
will haggle about spots, I will tell the other player what I will do on a spot, and he can take it or leave it, but 90%+ of the time, it is other players approaching me to match up, not me going to them.

4) Either specify quitting time (when room closes), or a 1-3 set pull up, meaning that no player can quit without playing 1-3 sets more, depending whether you make it 1 more set, 2 more sets, or 3 more sets. This then prevails no matter if one player is up 5 sets or not unless the loser agrees
to keep playing past the pull up set(s) number.
 
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