So how about adding a third team as I thought?
Don't you think it would worth it?
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Petros
Don't you think it would worth it?
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Petros
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I would enjoy this format for sure. I think the presence of the doubles matches is explained by the fact that this is meant to be the Ryder Cup of Pool. The Ryder Cup, which has more team matches than head-to-head singles matches, gets the ratings, so it is easy to understand why the Mosconi Cup is set up this way.
I don't buy the argument that pool fans can't relate to team matches. Golf fans don't play a lot of team events, but they still relae to and enjoy watching the doubles matches in the Ryder Cup.
so all you guys figure a format change will help the usa team win next yearis this is what it has come too now? lol
I don't think it would have any bearing on the result. Played like one of the BCA matches in Las Vegas, 5 on 5 with everyone playing everyone would, however, make for an interesting match.
this was the first time i watched the mosconi cup on a live feed and it was by far the most exciting thing i have ever seen pool related! the races to 6 six were short and very exciting and pressure filled! great for tv! i would have liked it more if they added a few more matches daily though to it and make it a race to 21 or something like that. I was pulling for the usa team also.
Agreed. The races to 6 were perfect. Late match pressure from the start. A fan's delight.
European the best....not a chance...
Try to beat Phillipines team .....Reyes, Bustamante, Corteza, Orcollo, Pagulayan or Lining, Biado, Gomez, de Luna, Alcano
Try to Beat Taiwan team ......Yang ching sun, Chang Jung Lin, Wu Chia Ching, Ko pin yi, Hsia Hui kai....
I don't need Asian Continental to beat European continental......all i need just a country to beat a whole continental.....any gambler want to play even to stake european team with this format... i guess no:grin-square::grin-square:
Try to beat Phillipines team .....Reyes, Bustamante, Corteza, Orcollo, Pagulayan or Lining, Biado, Gomez, de Luna, Alcano
Try to Beat Taiwan team ......Yang ching sun, Chang Jung Lin, Wu Chia Ching, Ko pin yi, Hsia Hui kai....
I don't need Asian Continental to beat European continental......all i need just a country to beat a whole continental.....any gambler want to play even to stake european team with this format... i guess no:grin-square::grin-square:
Honestly, I don't think any team you could possibly put together would be favored over a team of Appleton, Feijen, Souquet, Immonen and Hohmann. These five would have even action against a team consisting of any five Asians you want.
Souquet just dropped by the Philippines and beat both Occullo and Biado in consecutive exhibitions on their own turf. Right now, Appleton is playing even better pool that Ralf. Stop taking the European greats so lightly.
And Europe could put up a very strong team from a single country, too. England alone has Appleton, Melling, Gray, Boyes and Peach.
Not saying Europe would be favored over Asia, only that it would be a coin toss match.
no body....I mean no body want to stake europe side even to play with asian...yes, there is a chance of winning...every player in his good day will win against his opponent...but, the chance of european win is no more then 40%...that's the fact...you don't believe me, just ask a gambler? Who want to put their money to europe side even...to match the phillipines..
Ralf souqet and Darren Aplleton maybe can match the Pinoy and Taiwan Player...maybe Mika include but other then the three man there is nothing else player can match Reyes, Bustamante, Orcollo, corteza, Yang, Wu Chia Ching, Chang Jung lin....sorry sir, we are talking about the Pool Beast here....
For the fact even American + European can not beat Asian ....
There is only one way to find out which side is right:
Add a third team as I proposed! For eg an Asian team could be formed with the federations organizing who would play in that team, taking into consideration people's choice.
Let's create a poll here in az: add a third team to the Mosconi cup, yes or no?
Petros
Add a third team as I proposed! For eg an Asian team could be formed with the federations organizing who would play in that team, taking into consideration people's choice.
Let's create a poll here in az: add a third team to the Mosconi cup, yes or no?
Petros
YES!!! But....let's not have a USA only team but rather have an Asian team, a Euorpean team, and an Americas team (North & South America and Canada). Then, our team from the Americas could have the infamous South American player Rico Suavee' on their team
. That should put them as favorites against anybody!!! :thumbup:Maniac (seriously, DOES like the idea of three teams)
I agree, I think that Europe as a whole is seeing a stronger run of players who are playing in world class events. A person can go back and fourth with players, countries, east west etc. but I think some areas are seeing more world class players and stronger tours than in previous years.
That is utter nonsense. Look at the Filipino style of fundamentals. When Efren first came to the United States, the Americans just thought he was some guy named Cesar with a pump stroke. They didn't think he was anything special at first.
The Filipinos have a loose and flowing style, something that is in stark contrast to a snooker or English 8-ball players fundamentals. They stand more sideways, they have more elbow action, etc. But the truth is, they are the best players in the world because pool is a national sport over there. The public loves it, and young players are groomed into greats by growing up playing for money and in tournaments.
If pool was as big in America as it is in Asia, there would be a dominating force over here just as good as anywhere. The problem is there is no tour and there is just not much money in pool out here.
The European players are not just good because of fundamentals and the different cuesports they play, its that European pool is like a well-oiled machine that draws players and fans alike and continues to grow.
There is no growth in America for pool, in fact it's been dying for a while now...
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It's been dying because you can't cue and have poor teachers who continue to replicate poor fundamentals. I'll call a spade a spade, buddy.
have you ever been to the usa and have you ever taken a class with an american instructor and why is it, as a brit you seem so interested in the american pool and what is your high run in snooker...just curioua
The only time i recall recently there was a true team tournament in 2010 it was won by the UK, Appleton, Boyes, Melling, Peach and Grey,
Along the way they beat the Philippines, Corteza, Orcollo, Alcano, Kiamco, and Lining, The China team, i forget who played for them, and Germany who have very strong players many of whom have not been mentioned, Oliver Ortman for one.
Its an interesting discussion because all the top players can and do beat each other. Maybe Europe or the UK would not be favourites against Asia, but you sure as hell would not want to bet your house against them?
Along the way they beat the Philippines, Corteza, Orcollo, Alcano, Kiamco, and Lining, The China team, i forget who played for them, and Germany who have very strong players many of whom have not been mentioned, Oliver Ortman for one.
Its an interesting discussion because all the top players can and do beat each other. Maybe Europe or the UK would not be favourites against Asia, but you sure as hell would not want to bet your house against them?
That's a lovely story but I don't know anyone making house size bets on any thing, especially not a pool match. And especially not on a bunch of ex Snooker players that run with Jimmy White and Steve Davis. These two guys are the biggest dump artists the game has ever seen. Everyone keeps taking about how sacred the game of snooker is but it's more fixed than boxing.
BTW, I would make a sizable bet in on the East teams in the scenario you so beautifully painted above.
Cheers Mate
Well the last time they played you would have lost I think the snooker element of this is overated, so I suppose I agree with you there but just speaking about pool,
Daz speaks for himself,
Peach World Nine Ball champion, World Pool Master
Boyes, World 8 Ball Champion, semi finalist World Nine Ball,
Melling China Open Champion, last 8 World Ten Ball,
Gray, Semi Finalist World Nine Ball.
All top class fields including the Asian players. Maybe the gap is not as big as you think?
I think the snooker element of this is overated, so I suppose I agree with you there but just speaking about pool,Daz speaks for himself,
Peach World Nine Ball champion, World Pool Master
Boyes, World 8 Ball Champion, semi finalist World Nine Ball,
Melling China Open Champion, last 8 World Ten Ball,
Gray, Semi Finalist World Nine Ball.
All top class fields including the Asian players. Maybe the gap is not as big as you think?
Well the last time they played you would have lost
Daz speaks for himself,
Peach World Nine Ball champion, World Pool Master
Boyes, World 8 Ball Champion, semi finalist World Nine Ball,
Melling China Open Champion, last 8 World Ten Ball,
Gray, Semi Finalist World Nine Ball.
All top class fields including the Asian players. Maybe the gap is not as big as you think?
Bottom line is I trust any Asian before I trust a Brit or any other European. This excludes the Italians, Germans and the Swedes, since they are very trust worthy.
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