Ralf Souquet Comment

well i guess you know what the americans are going through now with the state of pool in the usa since england is considered the birth place of football. It also looks like you have some good young players coming up now and your team should do well in the euro's, you can always get Harry redknap after the eruo's are done lol :thumbup:
 
Davis and White only entered the game of pool at the end of their careers and O'Sullivan never committed himself, only dabbled. Melling and Daz have taken the plunge fully now, both of whom, fantastic cue players that they are, couldn't keep up to speed with the top snooker professionals. Melling had a red hot go at it.

Ask yourself what you think would happen if the top 16 snooker players gave up snooker today and built their life around training and preparation to succeed at american pool. Within a few years I think 'carnage' is probably an accurate prediction.
 
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champ2107 said:
well i guess you know what the americans are going through now with the state of pool in the usa since england is considered the birth place of football. It also looks like you have some good young players coming up now and your team should do well in the euro's, you can always get Harry redknap after the eruo's are done lol :thumbup:
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We should've gone with Redknapp before Capello (who's been an unmitigated disaster BTW). Rednapp's a fantastic manager, with a record to prove it. His dodgy dealings may well preclude him from the running, however.

We'll do as poorly in the Euros as ever. We just don't have the players, nor do we have any coming through; nor will we ever have unless we radically alter our approach to the game.
 
TheThaiger said:
We should've gone with Redknapp before Capello (who's been an unmitigated disaster BTW). Rednapp's a fantastic manager, with a record to prove it. His dodgy dealings may well preclude him from the running, however.

We'll do as poorly in the Euros as ever. We just don't have the players, nor do we have any coming through; nor will we ever have unless we radically alter our approach to the game.
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his record doesn't even come close to fabios ;) who is your team?
 
sjm said:
Recent form suggests otherwise. Both Dennis and Lee played in the 2011 Derby City Classic nine ball event, and Dennis was the one that snapped off the title, beating Van Boening in the final, while Lee tied for ninth.

Obviously, any match between the two would be very close, and as you note, these are all great players.
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Corteza just beat Orcullo for $30 k apparently

http://azbilliards.com/2000storya.php?storynum=9590
 
snarzberry said:
Davis and White only entered the game of pool at the end of their careers and O'Sullivan never committed himself, only dabbled. Melling and Daz have taken the plunge fully now, both of whom, fantastic cue players that they are, couldn't keep up to speed with the top snooker professionals. Melling had a red hot go at it.

Ask yourself what you think would happen if the top 16 snooker players gave up snooker today and built their life around training and preparation to succeed at american pool. Within a few years I think 'carnage' is probably an accurate prediction.
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carnage? think about this! If the americans had all there best athletes playing soccer instead of all the other pro sports and Olympics and etc, who do you would be ranked #1 from fifa and and would be world cup favorites every world cup! In the states there is just too much going on to be dominate in the pool scene now days. If the americans focused on pool there would be carnage!! in england you either play football,snooker or cricket?
 
Celtic said:
Earl is REALLY not there.
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this is the same guy that just went rounds with SVB and nearly pulled it off. Earl is a coin toss, heads up against any one. love him or hate him.


i would go one step further to say these folks from the states are in it with ANY ONE.

Corey (when in form)

Hatch

Archer (if he shows up, look out)

Deschaine, don't really care for the kid, but he has one alot of stuff in steep compition.

SVB

Earl "the squirll"

I'm sure there are more. Bottom line is this, depending on the format, long race, short race, 9-ball, 10-ball, 1-pocket, etc. at these guy's level it is simply a matter of who is in stroke more, on any given day. Lets face it, all these guys have ups and downs, even Shane. To say anything other wise is nonsense. The only thing certain in pool any more, is that if it's a long race format, SVB is the odds on favorite for miles!


Justin
 
lol I like you are talking about football on a pool forum... :D
Yes on the world cup everybody expect a lot from England but looks like they never accomplish what they are supposed to win. Italy didn't do very well on 2010 lol.... atleast we won in 2006...
Back to pool... I think a lot of people think pool= 9 ball.... For example I just don't see a snooker player winning a one pocket tournament anytime soon... The thing is 9 ball is an easy game and there is too much luck on it. If a mediocre player like me can run a 3 pack it means the game is too easy, its pretty easy for me ( eve if I don't play on tight equipment and under the TV lights)... let alone for players like O'Sullivan, Davis.
 
champ2107 said:
carnage? think about this! If the americans had all there best athletes playing soccer instead of all the other pro sports and Olympics and etc, who do you would be ranked #1 from fifa and and would be world cup favorites every world cup! In the states there is just too much going on to be dominate in the pool scene now days. If the americans focused on pool there would be carnage!! in england you either play football,snooker or cricket?
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That isn't true - there's a tonne of other things to play and do, just as diverse as in the US. No, the brutal truth is we produce good cueists because we replicate good fundamentals.

Anyway, our national sport is eating. :grin:
 
Well, lets put it a different way...

Of course there are a ton of players who can beat guys like Souquet, van Boening and Orcollo on their best days...

I just do not believe, that there are really many players that on a regular basis beat this kind of super stars...

Archer, Hatch, etc. all have great days and then they can beat anybody into pieces...
But this kind of good days have many of the Eurotour players, and as far as rumor tells, half Asia can do that, too...

A good snooker player (of the top 16 or maybe even top 30) can easily get to just that level at any time, but to stay on top, you need to fully focus...

Few can do that... I think (!!!) that Ralf rather meant to say that there are a lot of players nowadays here, that can step up like this... and that there do not seem to be as many new names coming from the other side of the pond...
 
TheThaiger said:
Dirty Leeds! Yours?
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man u :D

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Europe has better tournament players. But you don't see them lining up to gamble with americans. And they have even less chance in the East. Gambling is a whole other game.

The best in pool should always be classified between tournament and gambling players. It's just two different skill sets. Gamblers start too slowly for short races and it Tourney players play too conservatively to get into a rhythm.
 
SouthernDraw said:
The best in pool should always be classified between tournament and gambling players.
No governing body of our sport, thankfully, has ever taken this view.

The only thing that qualifies one as a champion is the ability to win titles that require beating champion after champion after champion after champion over the course of a few days. Nobody ever got into the Hall of Fame on their gambling alone and gambling results are never mentioned in the BCA Hall of Fame blogs written for each inductee.

It's all very well to be able to wear out an opponent, but if you want to find out who the true champions are, put dozens of them in the same place at the same time. When just one is left standing, you'll know who the champion is.

Sustained excellence from beginning to end is what defines a champion. Anyone who needs to gradually play their way into a match is missing one of the ingredients of being a champion. As we've seen, there are some gamblers who do not have to gradually play themselves into a match, with the most noteworthy being Van Boening.
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Current Mosconi format doesn't prove much.

Hungarian Nut said:
I agree, the MC format is stupid are really doesn't prove anything. It's exciting but doesn't prove who the best team or player really is. They should do one race to (200) 10 ball scotch match over 4 days. Change the shooting order ever 10 games.
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I agree with HN. The current Mosconi Cup isn't really a team vs. team match, it's a series of single and doubles matches. As I suggested on another thread, I'd love to see a real team match as used in BCA/ACS/VNEA leagues, where the line-up rotates, and every player gets to play every player on the opposing team. The Cup could be a series of such matches, say best of seven. I think the fans would love that, as most could relate to the format.

Donny L
BCA/ACS Instructor
Gainesville, Fl
 
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