Rambow for sale

cuenut

cuenut

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Rambow cue for sale. Titlist conversion with ivory Hoppe ring. This cue has, in my opinion, never been refinished. The finish has been worn over the years, but the player's name and scrolls are still clearly visible when you have the cue in hand (pics kind of suck). The player's name is William A. Norman, exact marking shows "Wm. A. Norman". Initials on one of the shafts. The butt sleeve and ivory hoppe ring have cracks. I will try to take pics so they can be seen. The second shaft I believe is more rare than the one with initials. I believe it to be a Rambow shaft as well, and it is a little shorter and has a bell shaped ferrule. I have never seen one in person before this one.

It is a well used cue, but believed to be all original, and would be nice to round off a vintage collection. PM offers over $1100 accepted. No trades at this time.

I cannot use photobucket or other such programs at work to resize the pics. I can email them to someone to post until I take more detailed shots. Thanks.
 
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here are the pictures for you

RambowWANjointandsignature.jpg

RambowWANferrulesandbutt.jpg

RambowWANsignature.jpg
 
Unlikely a Rambo I guess?

It's a Willie Hoppie cue. Complete with decale. But every day I learn something new.
Nick :)
 
I'd Have To Agree With Nick...

The Cue Appears To Be A Personalized Brunswick Cue (which Was An Option From Them) With 1 Original Brunswick Shaft, And A Second Shaft That Was Done By Rambow At Some Point With The Bell Ferrule. Notice The Difference In The Shaft Inserts. The Bell Ferruled Shaft Was Most Likely Made At A Different Time.

Not Trying To Be A Ball Buster, Just Looking To Share Some Info.
 
Looks like a Willie Hoppe cue to me. Where did the idea of it being a Rambow come from?
 
nick serdula said:
It's a Willie Hoppie cue. Complete with decale. But every day I learn something new.
Nick :)
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So the signature between the points with the scrolls, initials on the shaft are not legit? I have had other Rambow cues in hand before, and this one fits the bill as well. Can you not see the markings in the pictures?
 
cuenut said:
So the signature between the points with the scrolls, initials on the shaft are not legit? I have had other Rambow cues in hand before, and this one fits the bill as well. Can you not see the markings in the pictures?
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BRUNSWICK ALSO OFFERED THE NAME ON THE FOREARM, AND INITIALS ON THE SHAFTS. (IMO) THE DECAL MAKES IT A BRUNSWICK WITH A NAME ON IT.
 
The signature is very tough to make out in the photo, but the flourish that I can also barely see, doesn't match those that I've seen on authenticated Rambows. IMO, this cue would need to be authenticated by Deno or Paul before I would purchase it as a Rambow.

What is the joint diameter? I'm still learning the Rambow authentication clues, but I don't think he typically left the Willie Hoppe signature on the forearms either.
Mr H
 
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Thanks to all for the disappointing news! :frown:

I thought the only ones that were personalized from Brunswick were those with the opaque plastic rings that were placed over the forearm just above the wrap.

Have I missed others for sale like this in the past on the forum, or are these relatively rare as well? Also, how old do you guys think this cue is?

You learn something new every day, some harder lessons than others!

Also, what are the main differences in the scrolls between the Brunswicks and Herman's cues.
 
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Mr Hoppe said:
but I don't think he typically left the Willie Hoppe signature on the forearms either.
Mr H
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THAT'S BECAUSE HE GOT THE BLANKS, LONG BEFORE THEY WOULD HAVE GOTTEN TO THE STAGE WHERE THE SIGNATURE WAS PUT ON.
 
cuenut said:
Have I missed others for sale like this in the past on the forum, or are these relatively rare as well? Also, how old do you guys think this cue is?
Also, what are the main differences in the scrolls between the Brunswicks and Herman's cues.
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What you have here is a Willie Hoppe Professional cue from the 40s or 50s. If you can post a picture of the butt label, I can tell you which decade. I have never seen a factory personalized version, so I can't tell you whether your personalization was done at the factory, or by an individual at a later time. I have several of these cues, and enjoy collecting them. Unfortunately, 99% of those on this forum have no interest in these cues, so you don't see them here often, and now that ivory sales are banned on eBay, you may not see them there anymore either...

I don't think there is any documented information about the types of flourishes that were used on Rambow cues. However, if you search this forum for Rambow (and Rambo . . . :( ) you can probably locate some pictures and see very quickly that these don't appear consistent with authenticated Rambow cues.
Mr H
Link to some of my collection

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FAST_N_LOOSE said:
THAT'S BECAUSE HE GOT THE BLANKS, LONG BEFORE THEY WOULD HAVE GOTTEN TO THE STAGE WHERE THE SIGNATURE WAS PUT ON.
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Herman Rambow was still using the Titlist blanks as the base for his cues in the 50s and 60s, long after he left Brunswick in 1950. I think the reason why they don't have the Willie Hoppe signature is because his joint is a little smaller than most at under .800". Simply tapering a blank down to this dimention would most likely remove the signature, which was located high up on the forearm.
Mr H
 
Mr Hoppe said:
Herman Rambow was still using the Titlist blanks as the base for his cues in the 50s and 60s, long after he left Brunswick in 1950. I think the reason why they don't have the Willie Hoppe signature is because his joint is a little smaller than most at under .800". Simply tapering a blank down to this dimention would most likely remove the signature, which was located high up on the forearm.
Mr H
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I'M NOT GONNA GET INTO A LONG DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS. AND PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT I'M NOT TRYING TO ARGUE WITH YOU.....

I KNOW HE WAS USING THE BLANKS LONG AFTER HE LEFT BRUNSWICK. BUT, HE WAS BUYING THEM AS BLANKS. (LIKE BALABUSHKA, AND MANY OTHER CUEMAKERS OF THAT TIME) NOT AS FINISHED CUES. SO THEY WOULDN'T HAVE HAD THE NAME ON THEM IN THAT STAGE OF PRODUCTION FROM BRUNSWICK. TO BE HONEST, THE WEIGHT STAMP BEING ON THE FOREARM IS ODD AS WELL. TO ME, THE ONES WITH ANY KIND OF STAMPING ON THE NOSE, WERE CUES THAT WERE MODIFIED BY RAMBOW, NOT "BUILT" BY RAMBOW. (IMO)

MARCUS
 
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