rare high end Varney

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Oh, I missed that part. To me it doesn't matter, it was just a matter of curiosity. I think people like Prather and those that do forearms for a living do a great job on the points and veneers. It's their specialty and it shows.
 
Fart sniffer said:
I'm still waiting for the answer to the "are the points yours or did someone like Prather do the forearm?" question. A lot of people don't like buying a cue that was assembled, they want a cue that was built from scratch by the man that signs his name on the cue.

I hope Varney did the splicing.
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I did indeed, as on all my high end cues. Some makers order them though and as long as they come from a quality source there is nothing wrong with that either. I have used Prather spliced forearms in the past and found them to be of a very high quality. I would not object to building a cue today using them.
 
Just noticed the joint collars.....how hard is it to get the ringwork to line up like that??

Reason I ask is....if someone were to want a 2nd shaft for it, would you need to hold onto the cue for quite awhile longer, or is the ringwork alignment relatively simple (to someone that knows how to make a cue, that is)?

I guess this is a form of an immediate gratification question. How much more time to make a 2nd matching shaft?
 
Varney Cues said:
Never sir...check your facts. That was BHQ before he got his new lathe.:rolleyes:
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Hmm, well my apology. On a second thought, let the man (Varney) try to sell his cue in here. It's already on 6 pages discussions/thereads and none of them is really about selling. It's getting old people!!!

I mean if Varney believes that his cue worth $1000, then let it be. It's up to the market and the customers if they want to buy it or not. I really hate/dislike all of the negative or non related with selling/buying comments that people always post on this board. Think about it, most of us probably ever advertise/sell a product in here and don't you hate it when other people used your thread and became a debate forum instead of just a simple advertisement???

With that being said Good luck to you Varney. No offense to you and everyone else in this wonderful board.

Thank you
 
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8-ball Rat said:
Just noticed the joint collars.....how hard is it to get the ringwork to line up like that??

Reason I ask is....if someone were to want a 2nd shaft for it, would you need to hold onto the cue for quite awhile longer, or is the ringwork alignment relatively simple (to someone that knows how to make a cue, that is)?

I guess this is a form of an immediate gratification question. How much more time to make a 2nd matching shaft?
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Only a day or two for an extra shaft. I never even try to get the blocks to line up. I put it together and they are where they are. A maker can do multiple passes on the shaft facing to get them aligned though...its just not necessary.
 
the_saint_siwa said:
Hmm, well my apology. On a second thought, let the man (Varney) try to sell his cue in here. It's already on 6 pages discussions/thereads and none of them is really about selling. It's getting old people!!!

I mean if Varney believes that his cue worth $1000, then let it be. It's up to the market and the customers if they want to buy it or not. I really hate/dislike all of the negative or non related with selling/buying comments that people always post on this board. Think about it, most of us probably ever advertise/sell a product in here and don't you hate it when people your thread became a debate forum instead of just a simple advertisement???

With that being said Good luck to you Varney. No offense to you and everyone else in this wonderful board.

Thank you
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Thank you sir...no offense taken. Happy holidays to you & your family.:)
 
Varney Cues said:
Only a day or two for an extra shaft. I never even try to get the blocks to line up. I put it together and they are where they are. A maker can do multiple passes on the shaft facing to get them aligned though...its just not necessary.
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Maybe not necessary....but a nice little detail that makes the overall appearance more appealing.

I assumed you did these as standard...since this joint set was aligned.

Thanks for the info.
 
I'd like to jump in to the fray, just once here, to give an opinion.

I am a cue collector, my lowest priced cue is in excess of 4k, going up to balabushkas personal playing cue bought directly from his son.

The reason i mention this is some of the pieces i own don't have a real price, only what the market will bear. I have an ivory handled hercek, with perhaps twenty figures inlayed into the cue, with his orignal hand drawn art work on tracing paper. Now what is that worth, and who determines it?

My point is that Mr varney produced a fine looking cue. He came to the az community to sell it. He put a price on it and gave his professional and expert opinion on it's playability and value. Not only is that his perogative, but it is his professional responsibility to do so. Stop and think for a minute, this is the mans livelihood.

Whether the cue will sell or not at that price isn't relevant. In fact, there is no other way to determine "market value". His merchandise is offered for sale at a price. If it is purchased, played with and reviewed well, than the buyer got what he paid for. If the cue doesn't sell, varney has 2 options. He can hold out longer, or reduce the price. Again, that is up to him, not us. But that is how fair pricing occurs.

All that aside, what really concerns me is the mean spiritedness in which criticisms were offered. In fact, many of these comments were obfuscated under the guise of questions, when in reality was nothing more than an opportunity at degrading this man. I find it offensive.

Think about how some of you people would feel if garbage like that was brought into your workplace.

Have some common courtesy. Obviously some of you have "other personal" problems with mr varney, and i would suggest extending him the same courtesy he does to you, steer clear of eachother.

Happy holdiays to all.

rg
 
8-ball Rat said:
Maybe not necessary....but a nice little detail that makes the overall appearance more appealing.

I assumed you did these as standard...since this joint set was aligned.

Thanks for the info.
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Well they do line up on this cue perfectly. If you'd like to purchase it & an extra shaft...I'll make sure the 2nd shaft lines up as well.;)
 
Varney Cues said:
Yes Zeeder you had my lowest end cue (sold very cheaply), a sp that I made as a favor to you in 1 week if I remember correctly. It was made from a blank purchased through a supplier. Some blanks have perfect points...they go on the fancy hustlers & j/b's with ringwork and such. Some blanks have the points a bit off...they go on the bottom end stuff. None of your points were that bad...we can ask the new owner to measure. Less than 1/2" difference all the way around is acceptible on a low end budget cue.
I can not post pics for a few days as I've loaned out the camera. You can rest assured that on this cue the points are all dead nut even and extremely sharp. There is a huge difference between what goes into this cue and what goes into a buget sneaky.
In all fairness did you mention wanting perfect points when you ordered the cue? No. You just wanted it fast & cheap...to take to Europe. Had you mentioned that you wanted perfect points...that would of been no problem...just a bit more money for a premium blank.
The new owner is very happy with the cue...and has never mentioned the points. I think he's too happy with the way it plays to be concerned with a totally cosmetic issue on such a low end cue.
I understand you wanting perfect even points...thats why all my nicer cues have them absolutely even. On a low end budget cue...its not important and has zero affect on playability.
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First off, let me say that I'm not knocking the cue. I told you in an e-mail, and posted on the forum, that I thought the cue played fine. That being said, to me a half inch off is huge! I get a little queasy when the points are an eighth of an inch off...lol.

Edit: Furthermore, I suggested posting pictures so people could see for themselves the quality of your pointwork and make their own comparisons to the likes of Skip Weston, James White, et al. Just trying to help...lol. Also, as I said in an e-mail, I still plan on ordering another cue from you when my finances allow! Good luck with the sale and I'm sure whoever gets the cue will be very happy indeed.

The middle cue in this picture is my old Varney for anyone curious.

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P.S. I think the new owner is too happy because he got the cue for next to nothing...lol.
 
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NYC cue dude said:
I'd like to jump in to the fray, just once here, to give an opinion.

I am a cue collector, my lowest priced cue is in excess of 4k, going up to balabushkas personal playing cue bought directly from his son.

The reason i mention this is some of the pieces i own don't have a real price, only what the market will bear. I have an ivory handled hercek, with perhaps twenty figures inlayed into the cue, with his orignal hand drawn art work on tracing paper. Now what is that worth, and who determines it?

My point is that Mr varney produced a fine looking cue. He came to the az community to sell it. He put a price on it and gave his professional and expert opinion on it's playability and value. Not only is that his perogative, but it is his professional responsibility to do so. Stop and think for a minute, this is the mans livelihood.

Whether the cue will sell or not at that price isn't relevant. In fact, there is no other way to determine "market value". His merchandise is offered for sale at a price. If it is purchased, played with and reviewed well, than the buyer got what he paid for. If the cue doesn't sell, varney has 2 options. He can hold out longer, or reduce the price. Again, that is up to him, not us. But that is how fair pricing occurs.

All that aside, what really concerns me is the mean spiritedness in which criticisms were offered. In fact, many of these comments were obfuscated under the guise of questions, when in reality was nothing more than an opportunity at degrading this man. I find it offensive.

Think about how some of you people would feel if garbage like that was brought into your workplace.

Have some common courtesy. Obviously some of you have "other personal" problems with mr varney, and i would suggest extending him the same courtesy he does to you, steer clear of eachother.

Happy holdiays to all.

rg
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Very well said sir. More rep points to you as soon as I'm allowed to give more out.
KV
 
NYC cue dude said:
My point is that Mr varney produced a fine looking cue. He came to the az community to sell it. He put a price on it and gave his professional and expert opinion on it's playability and value. Not only is that his perogative, but it is his professional responsibility to do so. Stop and think for a minute, this is the mans livelihood.
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Bingo.

NYC cue dude said:
In fact, many of these comments were obfuscated under the guise of questions
rg
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Awful fancy words for a pool forum :D
 
Varney Cues said:
On a low end budget cue...its not important and has zero affect on playability.
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This is true, this is also why I got my j/b so cheap (extremely cheap). I specifically asked for something (blem wood and quick delivery :D ), paid a bargain price, and got exactly what I asked for. Sort of. It was a lot better looking than I expected lol.
 
Varney Cues said:
Thank you but save your breath Matt. Everyone who owns a Varney knows whats up. Its clear to see how these trolls follow & attack me. They should mind there own business. I don't jump up & post when they sell something. Nor do I come to there work and limit there income.
A fix is in the works...either by Mr. Wilson...or by me.
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Is this a threat of sorts?

I still don't understand why I am not entitled to question the price of an object? No one has sufficiently answered that question yet. If Kevin had the right to price his work however he sees fit, I have a right to ask why, don't I?
 
You could PM the question, his box isn't full and it would certainly get you a lot closer to an answer from Varney himself, rather than questioning (which is different than inquiring) the price of the cue in an obviously ill-intended manner. Lighten up is all the advice I can give to the ends you say you want to get to. From my perspective as a relatively new poster, you seem to be on a constant hunt for e-ammo against him personally. Why?
 
I'm going to remind everyone of a short man who knocked items for sale.

Do a little research on the topic and then compare that scenario to this one.

Again, either buy it or don't......but all the extra comments are unwarranted and are being taken either badly or in the wrong light by Mr. Varney.

I'm asking one last time, please stop.
 
MattRDavis said:
Wow. How good've you to come to buddha's defense, I would've never seen that coming. Totally railroaded me. I'm agape.

Really, though, I'm not visiting this thread to be a part of this ruckus. I'm here because I like the cue and I like Kevin and because I think you and your parade of naysayers who follow his threads tossing around poorly veiled insults is an embarassment to this community.

If you don't like it, move on.



I think it's pretty simple, really. If he acquired the tools; bought the materials and sweated over the production I believe he has every right to put any pricetag he wants on it.

I won't respond further as I make every attempt to avoid entering battles of wits with those who are so clearly unarmed.
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