rare high end Varney

[Varney Cues]

the thing that will end this right now would be to place the cue on e-bay with no reserve

So nice of you to tell me "what will end this now". I think I have a pretty fair idea whats going to end this.
Now you take any cue you want to fleabay...I'll sell mine as I see fit.
Now what part of leave my sales thread alone do you not understand?
I've asked nicely more than once.

Mr. Wilson are you still awake?

 

[bogey54311]

I'd like to jump in to the fray, just once here, to give an opinion.

I am a cue collector, my lowest priced cue is in excess of 4k, going up to balabushkas personal playing cue bought directly from his son.

The reason i mention this is some of the pieces i own don't have a real price, only what the market will bear. I have an ivory handled hercek, with perhaps twenty figures inlayed into the cue, with his orignal hand drawn art work on tracing paper. Now what is that worth, and who determines it?

My point is that Mr varney produced a fine looking cue. He came to the az community to sell it. He put a price on it and gave his professional and expert opinion on it's playability and value. Not only is that his perogative, but it is his professional responsibility to do so. Stop and think for a minute, this is the mans livelihood.

Whether the cue will sell or not at that price isn't relevant. In fact, there is no other way to determine "market value". His merchandise is offered for sale at a price. If it is purchased, played with and reviewed well, than the buyer got what he paid for. If the cue doesn't sell, varney has 2 options. He can hold out longer, or reduce the price. Again, that is up to him, not us. But that is how fair pricing occurs.

All that aside, what really concerns me is the mean spiritedness in which criticisms were offered. In fact, many of these comments were obfuscated under the guise of questions, when in reality was nothing more than an opportunity at degrading this man. I find it offensive.

Think about how some of you people would feel if garbage like that was brought into your workplace.

Have some common courtesy. Obviously some of you have "other personal" problems with mr varney, and i would suggest extending him the same courtesy he does to you, steer clear of eachother.

Happy holdiays to all.

rg

outstanding.

chris G

 

[Hustl3r]

Very nice work! I wish I had an 1/8th of the talent you gentlemen do. I can't make a stick figure with popsickle sticks and a glue gun, and you guys have the talent to turn out something like this.....very nice once again.

 

[buddha162]

Now what part of leave my sales thread alone do you not understand?
I've asked nicely more than once.

I hope you're not under the impression that you "own" this thread, or any other thread you happen to start.

Some of what's been said was undoubtedly personal, but a lot of it can be taken as constructive by someone who is more in tune to the cue market reality. Jimbo is actually being quite helpful in his last post, both to you and to people who are new to cues and might be thinking about dropping 1k or 875 for your cue.

In the past, AZB has served as a bubble for quite a few cuemakers. When the bubble burst it hurts both the maker and the people holding his cues, often with a grossly inflated impression of what they're worth...that is, until they try to sell, and find out---harshly---what they paid 2k for is worth a little over 1.

-Roger

 

[buddha162]

Mr. Wilson are you still awake?

And that's not very respectful of our moderator, using sarcasm to imply Dave is being derelict of his duties. He's one man, in this vast landscape of online *****fights...cut him some slack.

-Roger

 

[Jim Baxter]

I think Mr. Varney a nice cue. He should be able to ask whatever he wants for the cue. If it's to much, let it go. The rest of all this was entertaining for a while but has turned into a lot of plain BULL SH-T. If I didn't have plans already made I would buy the cue in a hartbeat. Thanks for your time. Jim

 

[Varney Cues]

I hope you're not under the impression that you "own" this thread, or any other thread you happen to start.

Its clear you think you own this read. What part of go away & let me sell my cue do you not understand? This is absolute harassment. Keep pushing your luck.

Am I not allowed to sell a cue on this forum without putting up with these attacks?

 

[Hierovision]

I would ignore them, except for Jimbo... he's actually being extremely helpful (relatively) if you take into account his usual self If he says he didn't say he didn't want the cue, it means he really wants the cue... Jimbo, how much would you be willing to pay for this cue? $650? $750? You strike me as a hardass who wouldn't buy anything unless it was a really really good deal. Which means a likely selling price is higher than what you're willing to pay

 

[MOJOE]

Excellent post..

Whether the cue will sell or not at that price isn't relevant. In fact, there is no other way to determine "market value". His merchandise is offered for sale at a price. If it is purchased, played with and reviewed well, than the buyer got what he paid for. If the cue doesn't sell, varney has 2 options. He can hold out longer, or reduce the price. Again, that is up to him, not us. But that is how fair pricing occurs.

All that aside, what really concerns me is the mean spiritedness in which criticisms were offered. In fact, many of these comments were obfuscated under the guise of questions, when in reality was nothing more than an opportunity at degrading this man. I find it offensive.

Think about how some of you people would feel if garbage like that was brought into your workplace.

Have some common courtesy. Obviously some of you have "other personal" problems with mr varney, and i would suggest extending him the same courtesy he does to you, steer clear of eachother.

Happy holdiays to all.

rg

Randy, I don't think it could be said any better. Great reply to this thread.

jbk

 

[tedkaufman]

Kevin, I hope you are not discouraged by the morons who've been sniping at your cue and your reputation. They obviously have nothing better to do and love to hide behind the anonymity of internet protection. I urge you to ignore them and let the Moderator(s) police the trash.

As for the cue you are selling, it's an absolute beauty. I'm not in the market for a cue at this moment, but if I were, I would jump on it in a heartbeat. In fact, if you haven't sold it by Jan, please let me know.

 

[Michael Webb]

I followed this whole thread but the point is
Kevin Varney constructed this cue. He has the right to ask whatever price his wishes for it, whether he is firm on it or whether he uses that price as a starting point. It's his choice. If it sells great, if it sells at a lesser price and he is comfortable with that price, then he's done well. The cue is off to the home of someone who appreciates what he has built. This is also great!
However, It really is bad form when the Price Patrol gets started especially if there is no interest in buying the cue. If there is an interest and you want to negotiate, that's a good time for pm's. Now it's between the interested parties and not on an open forum that is viewed all over the world. I commend Kevin on what he has accomplished not only as a Cue maker but more importantly as a member of this forum. I wish him the Best of Luck.
On a side note, I have seen some pretty well known Cue makers get slammed by the Price Patrol, so you shouldn't feel to bad.

 

[JoeyInCali]

I followed this whole thread but the point is
Kevin Varney constructed this cue. He has the right to ask whatever price his wishes for it, whether he is firm on it or whether he uses that price as a starting point. It's his choice. If it sells great, if it sells at a lesser price and he is comfortable with that price, then he's done well. The cue is off to the home of someone who appreciates what he has built. This is also great!
However, It really is bad form when the Price Patrol gets started especially if there is no interest in buying the cue. If there is an interest and you want to negotiate, that's a good time for pm's. Now it's between the interested parties and not on an open forum that is viewed all over the world. I commend Kevin on what he has accomplished not only as a Cue maker but more importantly as a member of this forum. I wish him the Best of Luck.
On a side note, I have seen some pretty well known Cue makers get slammed by the Price Patrol, so you shouldn't feel to bad.

tap, tap, tap
Merry Christmas everyone.

 

[RSB-Refugee]

Good lookin' avatar, Jim.

I agree, the avatar is way cool.

Kevin, the ad was a little too brash, a little too tough talking in-your-face, plus the cue isn't what we would call high-end. I understand that you meant for you it was a higher end cue.

I've seen plenty of cues that are less "high end", go much higher. South West and Bluegrass, for examples. Nothing against either of them, don't get me wrong. They get the big bucks for their respective hits. I'm sure this cue plays exactly, the way someone wants a cue to play. All it takes is for that someone, to get a hold of it. Like RHN say's, there's an a$$ for every seat, or something like that.

Oh, by the way, I think you made a very nice looking cue there. I like it.

I do too.

Tracy

 

[Varney Cues]

$800shipped Priority

 

[Hierovision]

Hah... that's the sale price of the lens I sold to get you to build the other cue (I put half in the bank and sent half to Varney, not trying to say I paid $800 for a hustler ) I think mine will play better, but this one looks fantastic

 

[Varney Cues]

Actually, upon further consideration I've decided to no longer offer this cue for sale. Thank you to everyone for the support and kind words & pms. I simply can not allow myself to spend as much time on a forum where my continued harassment is allowed.
This cue is no longer for sale.

 

[Pinocchio]

Outrageous!!!!!!!!

I personally think it is outrageous that the price patrol can dominate any thread that they choose.How long will this continue? I'm thinking price patrol might be to nice a word. Forum Lice would be a term more to my way of thinking. Just because the have made many posts,most of them utterly worthless other than to bash someone does that always make the forum lice correct. I think not!
Pinocchio

 

[runscott]

...where my continued harassment is allowed.

Kevin, that's crazy talk. Since you've taken your cue off the market, I'll now comment here. What motive do people have to harass you? Figure that one out and then adjust your posting a little - better IMO than putting the responsibility in Dave's hands. Chris and one or two others told you what was bothering some of your harassers, but I don't think you were listening.

Based on the great reviews of your cues, I still plan to pick up a Varney hustler at some point to try out, and like any other cue I buy, I'll consider the price versus the value (the value that I perceive). Also, you seem like an honest, sincere guy who has a lot of confidence, and I really like your cue designs.

 

[JoeyInCali]

I don't how a thread in the For Sale section became a debating thread.
A cue was offered for sale.
If you didn't like the price, PM the seller.
I see cues in the for sale section all the time that I don' think the price is even close what it's worth.
But, since I ain't buying, I ain't commenting.
I learned to shut up when people are gambling at the pool hall too.

 

[runscott]

I don't how a thread in the For Sale section became a debating thread.
A cue was offered for sale.
If you didn't like the price, PM the seller.
I see cues in the for sale section all the time that I don' think the price is even close what it's worth.
But, since I ain't buying, I ain't commenting.
I learned to shut up when people are gambling at the pool hall too.

You are right - price shouldn't be debated in a 'for sale' thread. Why did it happen here and not in others? The answers are in the thread if you read carefully.