well i'll throw my 50 cents in since i've been around here awhile.i believe ALL of this energy should be directed towards scam artists.people that sell a poor product and do not back it up.people that have scammed others..remember all Mr.Varney was trying to do was to sell a cue that he made..Merry Christmas everyone.
cuejoey said:
JoeyInCali said:Page 16.
I do not agree Roger and Brain are doing anything bad by trying to ruin a deal. This is a free forum, I feel that if good opinion (such as "I would have purchased it right away if I had the money," "this is a great value..." )were allowed, then so should the other side's opinion. I would be very happy for the exposure I have gained. Looking forward to see more of your high end works.
nipponbilliards said:
so if you put a cue up for sale, you won't mind me coming in saying i think its a piece of crap and overpriced? i'll just say it's my opinion. can't argue that........cause hit is subjective. (i would never do that in a million years, just making a point.......oh, and it's rude.)
It also helps the less educated buyers to have more info before he makes a decision. Most importantly, I feel that it helps us to understand the cue maker or the seller better by watching how he handles himself in this kind of situation.
you mean like when he came on the thread to say the cue was overpriced and that it might not hit good to some people?
Roger and Brain and Ross did come up with back up reasonings to their opinion--they did not just trash the cue.
From a seller's point of view, the customers' opinion of the value of a cue is a piece of valuable information. In my case, I would love to hear feedback about why people think my cues are overpriced or underpriced, which cues do they compare my cue to and so on--I see no need to get into a fight with posters who offer such feedback.
The bottom line is if I do not agree with the opinion, I can just leave it at that other than calling people names and insult the person who tries to offer me his valuable opinion.
When I first met Roger, the first email he sent me was one with some negative remark about the workmanship on the early X breaker. He was being quite straight forward. I think some cue maker might find that offensive, just like how some people here might feel about his opinion.
he emailed you when he had a problem with your cue? thats funny, he came onto a PUBLIC FORUM on this one.
I guess I am a bit weird as I actually liked his remark, so I listened. I also made improvements accordingly. After he recieved his new X breaker by Samsara, I called him while I was in Reno, because I wanted to hear his feedback again. His opinion has been really helpful. Of course, I love to hear good feedback and praises, but sometimes, I think a person needs to have an open mind, put down his ego, and listen--in order to improve.
Even though Roger is not a cue maker, he has bought and sold a lot of cues and he simply LOVES cues. He has a good understanding of a cue's value in the market place. His opinion is something I would not dismiss right away.
We sell cues to the general public, not cue makers, so the public's opinion of the value of our cues is really valuable and important to us.
that's why this is so personal.
In my opinion, saying that he jumped in to try to ruin someone's sale is a bit off. He was expressing his opinion. I found some of the terms used to attack Roger much more offensive than anything he has ever used in this thread.
let him start his own thread on his own personal opinions. not by hyjacking one.
I also do not understand why if someone decides to buy this cue as a donation, then the price this person pays is an indication of the market value of the cue? Could someone please explain this to me?
I can understand it if a person buys the cue as an investment or to add to a collection, or if the cue was sold right away. But in this case, this cue was offered at $1000 firm, then the price was lowered to $850, then to $800, then was taken off the market, before Randy offered to buy it and have it sent to the Windy City Open as a raffle item...
the guy has a big heart, buys the cue, and your gonna question him? are you serious???
I keep getting amazed by sneaky pete and simply four pointers offered by Mr. Varney. This has to be the most exposed simple cues with no inlay with one shaft any cue maker (including Tim Scruggs, James White, Paul Mottey, Richard Harris, Gina...)has ever received on this forum.
If I were the seller, I really would not have any reason to complain about it.
This kind of exposure is really helpful especially for someone who is relatively unknown to lots of cue collectors and buyers worldwide.
LOL
Congrat to Mr. Varney.
Richard
rackem said:And this coming from a guy that can't even supply the special replacment bumper for the cue he sells.
I was, for one.JoeyInCali said:
nipponbilliards said:
It also helps the less educated buyers to have more info before he makes a decision. Most importantly, I feel that it helps us to understand the cue maker or the seller better by watching how he handles himself in this kind of situation.
Roger and Brain and Ross did come up with back up reasonings to their opinion--they did not just trash the cue.
From a seller's point of view, the customers' opinion of the value of a cue is a piece of valuable information. In my case, I would love to hear feedback about why people think my cues are overpriced or underpriced, which cues do they compare my cue to and so on--I see no need to get into a fight with posters who offer such feedback.
The bottom line is if I do not agree with the opinion, I can just leave it at that other than calling people names and insult the person who tries to offer me his valuable opinion.
When I first met Roger, the first email he sent me was one with some negative remark about the workmanship on the early X breaker. He was being quite straight forward. I think some cue maker might find that offensive, just like how some people here might feel about his opinion.
I guess I am a bit weird as I actually liked his remark, so I listened. I also made improvements accordingly. After he recieved his new X breaker by Samsara, I called him while I was in Reno, because I wanted to hear his feedback again. His opinion has been really helpful. Of course, I love to hear good feedback and praises, but sometimes, I think a person needs to have an open mind, put down his ego, and listen--in order to improve.
Even though Roger is not a cue maker, he has bought and sold a lot of cues and he simply LOVES cues. He has a good understanding of a cue's value in the market place. His opinion is something I would not dismiss right away.
We sell cues to the general public, not cue makers, so the public's opinion of the value of our cues is really valuable and important to us.
In my opinion, saying that he jumped in to try to ruin someone's sale is a bit off. He was expressing his opinion. I found some of the terms used to attack Roger much more offensive than anything he has ever used in this thread.
I also do not understand why if someone decides to buy this cue as a donation, then the price this person pays is an indication of the market value of the cue? Could someone please explain this to me?
I can understand it if a person buys the cue as an investment or to add to a collection, or if the cue was sold right away. But in this case, this cue was offered at $1000 firm, then the price was lowered to $850, then to $800, then was taken off the market, before Randy offered to buy it and have it sent to the Windy City Open as a raffle item...
I keep getting amazed by sneaky pete and simply four pointers offered by Mr. Varney. This has to be the most exposed simple cues with no inlay with one shaft any cue maker (including Tim Scruggs, James White, Paul Mottey, Richard Harris, Gina...)has ever received on this forum.
If I were the seller, I really would not have any reason to complain about it.
This kind of exposure is really helpful especially for someone who is relatively unknown to lots of cue collectors and buyers worldwide.
Congrat to Mr. Varney.
Richard
