Rating One Pocket Players

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wincardona

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Several months ago I was reading a rating list of the best one pocket players in the world. Some I agreed with ,others I didn't.I will post the top 10 both current,and also in the last 40 years. (my opinion) INCIDENTALLY,I GAMBLED WITH ALL OF THEM.I would like to add this, My top 5 players are my honest opinion that will NEVER change,in my last 40 year list,unless there will be some talented player that will change my mind.But as it stands now there they are..

CURRENT ---------LAST 40 YEARS

#1 REYES ----------#1 REYES
#2 JOYNER ----------#2 R.ALLEN
#3 FROST ----------#3 E.KELLY
#4 CHOHAN ----------#4 JOYNER
#5 DUEL ----------#5 BUGS
#6 J.JONES ----------#6 A. Hopkins
#7 BUSTAMANTE------#7 J Breit
#8 S. DALTON -------- #8 S.DALTON
#9 L.NEVIL -----------#9 Grady Mathews
#10 G. OWEN ---------#10 S. Cook

After carefull thought ,and consulting with several knowledgeable players
this ranking is more creditable than the one I originally posted.Once again
this rating in no way is meant to be disrespectfull to any of the champions
that are not on this list. This list is a consensus of two knowledgeable players
and myself. The players that were taken off my original list have not been
playing long enough to earn the rating that I originally gave them. In regard to
Boston Shorty he was a great player that I may have slightly overated. I do
apologize to any player that may feel slighted.
 
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I really respect your opinion Billy. Your strong ranking of Frost (#6 all-time) is an eye-opener for me. Although I haven't seen the old-timers in action like you have, their legend would have forced me to consider Breit & Shorty above him. Daulton too. Frost did not play great in the DCC 1P matches I have.
 
mosconiac said:
Frost did not play great in the DCC 1P matches I have.
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I'm pretty sure Scott's more interested in the matches that invole a load of cash being handed over directly after the match
 
wincardona said:
Several months ago I was reading a rating list of the best one pocket players in the world. Some I agreed with ,others I didn't.I will post the top 10 both current,and also in the last 40 years. (my opinion) INCIDENTALLY,I GAMBLED WITH ALL OF THEM.

CURRENT ---------LAST 40 YEARS

#1 REYES ----------#1 REYES
#2 JOYNER ----------#2 R.ALLEN
#3 FROST ----------#3 E.KELLY
#4 CHOHAN ----------#4 JOYNER
#5 DUEL ----------#5 BUGS
#6 J.JONES ----------#6 FROST
#7 BUSTAMANTE------#7 T. CHOHAN
#8 S. DALTON -------- #8 S.DALTON
#9 L.NEVIL -----------#9 J.BREIT
#10 G. OWEN ---------#10 BOSTON SHORTY
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How can you rate S dalton 8 in the past forty years and have Bustamante, J Jones, and Duel in front of him now.. Just curious...
 
mosconiac said:
I really respect your opinion Billy. Your strong ranking of Frost (#6 all-time) is an eye-opener for me. Although I haven't seen the old-timers in action like you have, their legend would have forced me to consider Breit & Shorty above him. Daulton too. Frost did not play great in the DCC 1P matches I have.
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Race to three anyone can win unless your playing against Efren...
 
Where is Artie?

wincardona said:
Several months ago I was reading a rating list of the best one pocket players in the world. Some I agreed with ,others I didn't.I will post the top 10 both current,and also in the last 40 years. (my opinion) INCIDENTALLY,I GAMBLED WITH ALL OF THEM.

CURRENT LAST 40 YEARS

#1 REYES ---#1 REYES
#2 JOYNER ---#2 R.ALLEN
#3 FROST ---#3 E.KELLY
#4 CHOHAN ---#4 JOYNER
#5 DUEL ---#5 BUGS
#6 J.JONES ---#6 FROST
#7 BUSTE------#7 T. CHOHAN
#8 S. DALTON #8 S.DALTON
#9 L.NEVIL - #9 J.BREIT
#10 G. OWEN -#10 BOSTON SHORTY
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Willy, it's not a bad coupla lists, aside from Reyes and Joyner I really cant give an accurate opinion on the new guys since I have been out of the loop for so long, but I dont see Artie Bodendorfer's name. Is it a convenient lapse of memory or just wishful thinking? Your batting ave against the old time ten had to be higher with them than it was against Artie, seeing as how you would win only about 1 out of every 10 trips to the plate against Bodendorfer. I bet on Artie when he beat Jersey Red, Bugs had about the same batting ave as you, 1 out of 10, he beat Shorty in a week long match game, and I know he invited Ronnie along with Lenny Moore to come to Chicago and play for whatever. Lenny Moore said he would come only if Artie would toss. Good citizen, that Lenny. I plan on snitching to Artie just how much you devalued him.

the Beard
PS On my new blog I will be pontificating on the sociopathic, political, and philosophical views I garnered and honed, on pool, and the world in general, during my 50 years in the underworld.
 
It is very difficult to rate ,in terms of who was the best players of today opposed to players of yesteryear. Mainly because of the equiptment. Todays equiptment,with the fast cloth and better balls are condusive to an offensive game. Not that yesteryear players were't agressive,there were many who were ,but today you better be agressive and run balls to compete against the best. In th 60's and 70's the moves were differen't. More of a grind game ,if you will. But in spite of that there were a lot of balls that were run,but not nearly as frequent as todays one pocket.
 
freddy the beard said:
Willy, it's not a bad coupla lists, aside from Reyes and Joyner I really cant give an accurate opinion on the new guys since I have been out of the loop for so long, but I dont see Artie Bodendorfer's name. Is it a convenient lapse of memory or just wishful thinking? Your batting ave against the old time ten had to be higher with them than it was against Artie, seeing as how you would win only about 1 out of every 10 trips to the plate against Bodendorfer. I bet on Artie when he beat Jersey Red, Bugs had about the same batting ave as you, 1 out of 10, he beat Shorty in a week long match game, and I know he invited Ronnie along with Lenny Moore to come to Chicago and play for whatever. Lenny Moore said he would come only if Artie would toss. Good citizen, that Lenny. I plan on snitching to Artie just how much you devalued him.

the Beard
PS On my new blog I will be pontificating on the sociopathic, political, and philosophical views I garnered and honed, on pool, and the world in general, during my 50 years in the underworld.
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Freddy,
Lets get real, Artie was a one table player. I never saw him go on the road and play anyone. He was a grinding player that liked to play on a slow cloth, in one joint period. Yes he beat me playing one pocket,before I knew how to play one pocket.After I started playing one pocket regularly he had retired. I beat Bugs later, in the 90's and may have beaten Artie as well. But considering how horrible of a ball runner Artie was ,and a below average shot maker,he certainly got a lot of mileage from his game.
 
Grady said:
This isn't even worthy of comment.
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LMAO!!!!..Where is the professor?.Geeeeewhiz,you two are something else..:p :)

Grady wrote the book on one pocket facchrisakes ..before I knew anything about 1P, I'd heard of grady ..All of the other guys I learned about after I became somewhat of a player..He was the household name.

Grady's the cat! Give him his due......
 
Robertduke said:
How can you rate S dalton 8 in the past forty years and have Bustamante, J Jones, and Duel in front of him now.. Just curious...
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The reason I have him lower now is because he played better 3 years ago than he does now.
 
Grady said:
This isn't even worthy of comment.
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Poor Grady has 3 more world 1P championships than some people on that list and isn't listed. That's ok though, when one of the pool mags listed the best 100 players ever, they listed Dawn Hopkins but not Allen (or something to that affect-- nothing against Dawn cause she plays well, but there's an error somewhere there).

Love is haaaaaaaaard to fiiiiiiiiiiiiind. :D
 
SpiderWebComm said:
Poor Grady has 3 more world 1P championships than some people on that list and isn't listed. That's ok though, when one of the pool mags listed the best 100 players ever, they listed Dawn Hopkins but not Allen (or something to that affect-- nothing against Dawn cause she plays well, but there's an error somewhere there).

Love is haaaaaaaaard to fiiiiiiiiiiiiind. :D
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I remember that pool mag list, it also had Loree Jon above Buddy Hall. As Nick Varner said at that time "that alone renders this list non-credible". Nothing against Loree Jon as she was a great competitor , but huh?
 
How much better is one guy from the next? I mean, I heard Efren can spot Cliff 1 or 2 balls. So if Cliff can spot Scott 1 ball, can Efren spot Scott 3 balls, etc. etc? Just curious.

I saw Tony Chohan play a few times and every single time it was run out one pocket. At first I thought it must have been a fluke but then I saw it again and again. Its nice to know you think so highly of his game because I couldn't imagine anyone beating him when I was watching him play.
 
Billy

I was wondering where you would place Mark Tadd on that list? If not in the top 10, where would you put him? He was phenomenal at all games!

I also believe that Danny Harriman should be on the current list. He could give weight to most of the players on the current list.

Also, the past "40 years list" looks kind of silly without Grady Mathews - IMO, its just silly as leaving Mike Sigel off the list of greatest 9 ball players of the past 40 years.
 
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